Irving Berlin

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Often mentioned but not so often listened to; I haven't found it easy to pick up a unified collection of his songs. Godfather of pop? Jazz context? Actually borrowing from someone else / existing tradition? Virtues, vices? Influence today? Good songs, bad songs? Good compilations?

the pinefox, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The Spiral Stairs to Cole Porter's Steve Malkmus. Formula for Irving Berlin: find hook, using basic notes of major key. repeat hook. make hook soft. make hook loud.

Not to say that he didn't have his brilliant moments, and they are aplenty on Annie Get Your Gun. Search: I Got The Sun In The Morning (and the moon at night), My Defenses Are Down, Blue Skies, White Christmas, I Love A Piano, They Say It's Wonderful, Cheek to Cheek. Destroy: The patriotic songs (aka God Bless America, Give Me Your Tired...), Always, Puttin' On The Ritz, How Deep Is The Ocean.

In a sense, I'd argue Berlin is the godfather of modern pop, insofar as he understood that a song can just be a hook, and the rest can be production (or in his case, arrangement, which he farmed out to people who actually could read/write music). But.. I mean, compare "There's No Business Like Show Business" to Porter's "Another Openin' Another Show" and you'll see the difference between the two. One's all flash and melodrama, while Porter has emotional heft and a deft lyrical/melodic touch which lend themselves to a more compelling narrative.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search: All the stuff he wrote for the Astaire/Rogers films. especially Swing Time. For this he must rank as a genius.

Bill

Bill, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

He wrote for the belters (however note: the Karaoke handicap on any Berlin tune is pretty low in comparison to Porter. More tactical delivery is required for "Night and Day")

Jason, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

How can you over-estimate Irving Berlin? The man wrote to the broadest audience he could think of without the slightest bit of condescension or disgust. He had fewer pretenses than contemporaries like, say, Porter or Gershwin or Rodgers, and he had an odd little knack for empathizing with his singers or audience or both (e.g., Jolson with "Let Me Sing And I'm Happy"). He repeatedly elevated mundane expressions and happenings into something bigger, coming across again and again as happy and content but not necessarily oblivious to life outside of that contentment. I mean, in 1933 he essayed a song about lynching ("Supper Time") in one of his biggest hit productions.

Yes, he wrote "God Bless America" but he also wrote "Oh, How I Hate To Get Up In The Morning" about his years in military service, and his audience knew both of these things, and I think that it's a bit myopic to lose sight of this. Besides, the former directly inspired "This Land Is Your Land", so what's to complain about? Avoid the one, and you lose part of the richness of the other.

There's a similar problem with skipping "How Deep Is The Ocean?" if you have any sympathy for (or interest in) the Beach Boys' "'Til I Die". And I think it's hard to overlook what Peggy Lee and Benny Goodman did with "How Deep" anyway. A brilliant recording.

As for collections of his work--that's tough. I like Ella Fitzgerald's songbook, but it misses many of his best songs, and I think Norman Granz's sequencing is haphazard at best. Verve has several nice songbooks, but the Verve label was a bit more, oh, genteel than I generally hear Berlin to be. Besides which, you want to find "I Love A Piano" and "Let Me Sing And I'm Happy" and many of the songs from Annie Get Your Gun, not to mention "White Christmas" and "Easter Parade."

So...Enjoy!

Mike P., Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Except Jerome Kern scored Shall We Dance...doh!

Bill

Bill, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Never thanked Mike P. for his big answer here. Have finally found a compilation. It seems pretty great to me.

>>> As for collections of his work--that's tough. I like Ella Fitzgerald's songbook, but it misses many of his best songs, and I think Norman Granz's sequencing is haphazard at best. Verve has several nice songbooks, but the Verve label was a bit more, oh, genteel than I generally hear Berlin to be.

Have you, or anyone heard him sing his own songs? (I haven't.)

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one year passes...
I'd forgotten how much expertise this all too short thread dredged up. I mean, "Berlin vs Porter karaoke handicap" - what a concept!


the pinefox, Friday, 20 December 2002 12:33 (twenty-two years ago) link

Godfather of pop? Jazz context? Actually borrowing from someone else / existing tradition? Virtues, vices? Influence today? Good songs, bad songs? Good compilations?

he's a chihuahua, actually

Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 20 December 2002 12:41 (twenty-two years ago) link

I mean, "Berlin vs Porter karaoke handicap" - what a concept!

I first read that as "handclap" and puzzled over why karaoke versions of Porter songs would have a greater number of handclaps than Berlin songs, and whether this would be a good or bad thing. "Night and day *clap-clap-clap* you are the one *clap* *clap*..."

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 20 December 2002 19:48 (twenty-two years ago) link

three years pass...
Marvellous show mainly devoted to Berlin last Sunday on R2: you can still hear it again online (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/davies/. Playlist included:

TITLE: I GOT THE SUN IN THE MORNING
ARTIST: Doris Day & Les Brown
ALBUM: Doris Day - The Essential Collection
NOTES: AVID

TITLE: LET'S FACE THE MUSIC AND DANCE
ARTIST: Nat King Cole
ALBUM: Capitol Sings Irving Berlin
NOTES: Capitol

TITLE: YOU'RE JUST IN LOVE
ARTIST: Sarah Vaughan & Billy Eckstine
ALBUM: Blue Skies - The Irving Berlin Songbook
NOTES: Verve

TITLE: HOW ABOUT ME
ARTIST: Ella Fitzgerald with Paul Weston Orchestra
ALBUM: The Complete Ella Fitzgerald Songbooks
NOTES: Verve

TITLE: A COUPLE OF SWELLS
ARTIST: Judy Garland & Fred Astaire
ALBUM: Judy Garland - Over The Rainbow.. and Beyond
NOTES: Living Era

TITLE: BLUE SKIES
ARTIST: Dr John
ALBUM: Music From And inspired By The Motion Picture 'Glengarry Glen Ross'
NOTES: Elektra

TITLE: CHEEK TO CHEEK
ARTIST: Peggy Lee w. Nelson Riddle Orchestra
ALBUM: Things Are Swingin'/Jump For Joy
NOTES: Capitol CD

TITLE: COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS
ARTIST: The Swingle Singers
ALBUM: Nothing But Blue Skies: The Swingle Singers
NOTES: TRAX

TITLE: THE SONG IS ENDED
ARTIST: Tony Bennett w. Ralph Sharon Trio
ALBUM: Tony Bennett Sings Irving Berlin
NOTES: Columbia

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of classic songs, although Cole Porter was better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

It's his birthday, 110 years!

Russell Davies is celebrating: Listen Again this week:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/davies/playlist.shtml

the pinefox, Sunday, 11 May 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

'A Pretty Girl Is Like A Melody'

the pinefox, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Can Geir back this up?

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:10 (sixteen years ago) link

"A Pretty Girl Would Have Been Better With Some Synths And Drum Machines (E.g. Simmonds)"

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:11 (sixteen years ago) link


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