This is the thread where Pashmina talks about why everything is sexist, men are bastards and all rock and roll is inherently wrong because it invariably features someone getting laid which is against

Can we start a new catergory on posters who errr...never had sex?

Calum.

A lotta artists have done the same. Especially Jazz players. Didn't Playboy have a Jazz program on TV back in the '60s?

Yeah, Playboy was actually a boho magazine, a lifestyle magazine discussing Jack Kerouac, Pablo Picasso, Jazz ...

Calum's threads = PLEASE I AM SO VERY LONELY AND AM CONFUSED THAT MY TRICKS ARENT WORKING HERE.

Oh Sonny, read my previous thread. I'm sick. Very ill. I missed The Bluetones tonite coz I'm ill. I don't want to miss The White Stripes on Thursday cos I'm ill. All I can do is sit, and hope to recover. Slowly. Forgive me Sonny, for I am ill.

And sorry that you missed the Bluetones. Hope you get better.

O.k. guys, who here, thinks that Pashmina and Calum would make a great couple??

haha, IIRC he said he lived in glasgow. I could take the time out to be there so as to verify that he is just a little kid w/ zero brain & maybe even give him a kicking, etc.

haha, when's the show, calum?????

Calum, you would die (as well as other things hubba-hubba)if you trying to hustle a girl like that. She is obviously out of your league.

Erm... everyone in The Smiths called Morrissey

Throughout the years, I am pretty sure Morrissey has had his share of anal sex and mutual masturbation in men's toilets. ;->

For the record, I find it weird you'd assume I'd be sexist. I have mentioned before that I was brought up solely by women and I have never looked on females as anything but my equal, which does not mean, however, that I do not find myself (like any straight man, Sonny included) attracted to certain women etc Sonny and Pashmina and other ILMers take a very heirarchal stance, where they simply assume to be such great, moral human beings that everyone else is flawed. As with anyone on the right wing side of censorship Pashmina's previous arguements about porn and video nasties showed that she is clearly not well read on the subject, probably never heard of Julian Petley or Martin Barker for example. Not that I'm criticising this, but if she is not well read on the subject then entering into a debate on the subject is simply not wise.

Lastly, seeing as I'm a 'sexist prick' and should not be tolerated for doing such things as posting cheesecake pics of Belinda Carlisle I'd like to ask Sonny and Pashmina, as moral beings far higher than I could ever strive to be, about their favourite records and bands. It reminds me of Bill Hicks diatribe against drugs: "If you think drugs are evil then go and throw your record collection in the bin". OK, I'm not sure I agree with this (I've never tried any illegal substances myself, but - hey - each to their own) but he has a point. So I'd like to know - as moral beings with their own delightfully conservative spin on sex and feminism, what bands and records do you enjoy? I have a feeling that you'll find most of the stuff in your respective collections is made by people so decadent that taking the moral high ground makes you laughable. I bet you type your posts listening to Led Zeppelin or The Ramones. The irony.

Boy, do I sound politically correct or what?

I do find it interesting that tons of people are yelling at Calum for exhibiting the ugly, impolite version of behavior that already happens here.

Might that possbly be because more thought and imagination has gone into creating her image than has gone into creating her music?

Good example. When the packaging has more significance and / or more substance than the music it's inevitable that people will discuss the packaging more than the product. Where the packaging is merely incidental to, or of relatively minor importance compared with, the product behind it, people are more likely to discuss the product. Hence, I suspect, relatively few discussions about whether or not, just for example, Mark E Smith has a nice arse.

there's LOADS of casual acceptance on ILM that the appearance of pop stars is important because it's part of the 'fun' or something

cf 'it's about so much more than the music'

i suppose it depends on the job description

me: ooh, have you got a video by the Breeders ? Put that on.

him: what? i didn't think you'd like that kind of music

me: i don't - i don't want to hear it, i just want to look at them - turn the TV sound down and play a record i like instead

*general disapproval noises from gathering*

me: if they don't want to be evaluated visually, why are they making a fucking Video, and why are they in it?

and that's the problem - the idea that the splitting up of the pop package into its components like that is offensive - ties in with the idea that 'reductionism' is part of what's wrong with fancying ppl purely on the basis of what they actually look like -
ie I wasn't treating the Deal sisters as people, just bodies

(i remain unconvinced as to the extent to which they (and others) were/are doing the same to themselves and the hormone-addled audience)

if you want to shag someone the last thing in the world you should do is buy their record because then they will become rich and famous and you probably won't be allowed near them

but you'll buy it anyway, hit scumbag

u too can 'aspire' to get yr mitts on a piece of THIS

Is it possible that they might want to be evaluated as performers (= use the video to sell concert tickets as well as records?) rather than as objects of desire?

(If he'd posted the Deal sisters I doubt this thread would even exist!)

We're certainly INTENDED to evaluate them as far as possible on their own terms, yes. That's why most public figures actively manage their image at some level, whether they're musicians, actors, sportsplayers, politicians. Of course it doesn't always work but that is what's SUPPOSED to happen.

"...rather than as objects of desire?"
sure, and the male musicians wear makeup despite how looking 'pretty' has no impact on their audience.

andrew: yr right, it didn't

dave q: absolutely - our money is as good as anyone else's

but imagine if it wasn't.....

sales desk: 'why are you buying this record ?'
consumer: 'becoz I think the singer is HOT!'
sales desk: 'fuck off sleazebag we don't want yr type round here'

(ILM has led me to believe there ARE actually record shop workers like this.....though with different criteria)

Robert Palmer video for 'addicted to love' to thread

'Have you got the new Rush record?'
'Yes.'
'Ah, can I have it please?'
'No. Fuck off.'

(Whether she has anything to learn from *you* us a question to be decided in practice, I think)

Sonny - how sad to imagine what you're actually like in real life. I know that it would have to be a pretty sad day for me to get fed up of stomping on your nuts.

Peace everyone.

Sorry Custos, I was referring to your post that said (I presume sarcastically) ".... and the male musicians wear makeup despite how looking 'pretty' has no impact on their audience."

Hence my observation that ""The obsession with surfaces rather than content".... is not a weakness exclusive to males or even heterosexual males"!

Care to enlighten us Pashmina?!?

JULIA: I think you're making an offensive heterosexist assumption that Pashmina is not a young and legally-partnered lesbian.

LENA: Yeah!

I think you're struggling to grasp the meaning of the English words "suspect" and "may" Julia, or notice that I carefully avoided using a personal pronoun which would automatically have inferred a gender to the subject of that pronoun. Also, I don't know what the law is in Russia, but I'm afraid you can't actually be a "legally partnered" *anything* at the age of 15 in the UK, whatever your sexual predelictions.

TRUE STORY: My friend was having a birthday, and she had told her uncle that she would like to have a Spice Girls record as a present. So her uncle, who knows nothing about music, goes to the nearest record store, which happens to be a trendy little store that sells only indie rock and electronica. Here's the actual conversation between the uncle and the clerk...

UNCLE: I would like to buy the new record by Spice Girls, do you have it?
CLERK: Ermm... We don't sell that sort of music.
UNCLE: Oh, what a pity, it was meant to be a birthday present for my niece.
CLERK: Oh. How old will she be?
UNCLE: Nineteen.
CLERK: What, is she like a retard or something!?