What would people have said about Orgy's "Blue Monday" cover were it released early in 2002?

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Opinions, please.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

it's still boring?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Um... the same thing they said about it when it actually did come out? Why would a different release date have an effect on how it's received? It's still a terrible cover.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Having just listened to it for the first time, I'd say it's not so bad. Or maybe it just gets worse the more you hear it.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you asking b/c of the perceived shift in the critical response to bubblegum mook-rock?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Not directly related, but when I saw the Country Teasers in NYC last year, the band covered "Blue Monday." A dude next to me leaned over to his friend and said, "Woah! An Orgy cover." I dunno if he was joking or not.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

But what did people say about Rob Searle's version in 2002?

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I probably would have killed just as many people who didn't know who New Order was.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"Woah! An Orgy cover."

I went out with a girl last year and we discussing music and I played her some New Order and she said, "Oh, is that who did that song first?"

― boldbury, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Crap then. Crap now.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the problem is that the production is still very tied to Nine Inch Nails and Nu-Metal, very 90's. The cover did not go over because it was not produced right. If it had been a bit more nu-garage or neu wave it would have recived a great deal more critical acceptance.

having said that, the only people who would give a shit about it would be the 14 music critics who regularly post to ILM. I suppose they did it right, they made money from it and got air play. I wish my non-existant album was doing that well.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The funny thing is I never liked the original "Blue Monday" until after I heard the cover. Redundant perhaps, that cover is still better than anything else I heard by Orgy. The line about the beach made more sense when they played it at a open-air fashion show on MTV spring break.

Janeane Garofalo was on TRL when it was big and was marching to it. It was cute.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(Why the release date might have made a difference: post-Orgy explosion in U.S. currency of both nu-metal and electro.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

(See, I ask the question as a way of getting at where each of those things has been going in MTV-land, and I'd love to hear more of what Anthony thinks about this: did it preface anything for that audience? Was it "ahead" of anything? It would seem silly to that audience now, I think: why?)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(In any case I think you should all have something more interesting to say about this weirdly singular cultural artifact than "it sucks.")

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay. It really sucks.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think calling it a "weirdly singular cultural artifact" is a bit of an undue overstatement.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

For further complication, take sides: public reception of Orgy vs. public reception of The Faint.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

who?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Orgy and Faint are basically the same band except IRONICALLY, the Faint are more pop. Nonetheless, "Worked Up So Sexual," The Faint's best song, could be Orgy.

Nabisco, I'm guessing from the fact that no other Orgy song did as well that Blue Monday was a catchier-than-usual slice of goth-nu-metal. It was around the time of Mechanical Animals I think so it probably just came off like the most enjoyable song of that type o' sound.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Type o' (negative)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/jamie6.jpg

The Faint = linked to white belted scensterism
Orgy = linked to Marilyn Manson

It is not a great cover, but it could be worse.....

Also, why do people hate on Xiu Xiu covering Joy Division so?

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/jamie26.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

What I recall disliking about this record (and gawd it's been years so I'll need to listen to it again before I say anything intelligent) is that the production and vocal seemed to put the lyric front and center--sung it that same snarling tone that is featured on say Marilyn Manson records. But the lyric is very poor, and comes close to not meaning anything at all. It bothers me about New Order records, but not much as given their overall aesthetic the lyric doesn't take on much importance. Also it was hard for me to divorce this song from that awful glam-detritus-chic video.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

So I suppose what distinguishes it from The Faint (among other things) is that the lyric seems to be somewhat at cross-purposes with the production.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I found Orgy's penchant for the synth-guitar quite charming at the time. And that video was the first I saw by ex-porn-director Gregory Dark, and indeed quite the crapfest. Though it had been awhile since I'd seen a dumb concept video so it even had some novelty there. I like the way the Orgy singer stands still and shakes his mic stand to side of him. It's very Dead Or Alive.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The funny thing is I never liked the original "Blue Monday"

*cries* But you saw the light. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The Faint and Orgy and worlds apart musically! Orgy paint their synth-rock with a nu-metal tinge (NIN is an appropriate signpost), but the Faint play new-wave straight up (thinking of Blank Wave Arcade primarily here). Despite a few distorted guitars, there ain't that much rock to it (and Danse Macabre moved in the dance direction even more). The Faint's scenester fanbase has little to do with their lack of commercial success (afterall, they did open for No Doubt, whose audience seems primed for them), it's just that American audiences have an aversion to dance music that isn't fronted by a hot young thang.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't quite see where "a nu-metal tinge" implies "worlds apart." And I'm guessing the fact that Faint is on a small label based in Omaha might have something to do with their lack of commercial power. Though I'm guessing the next Faint album will sell better than the next Orgy album, if there IS a next Orgy album.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Was that Orgy song big?--I was sort of out of touch at the time, being a senior in college. It seemed like one of those songs MTV was pushing without terrible success. (I know that's sort of nebulous as appearing frequently on MTV is a kind of success in itself--but did the single and album sell well? Did it get played on the radio a lot? In clubs? etc.)

― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Definitely more of a genuine hit than anything else Orgy released. I think it did well on the radio too. And the album went gold I believe.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"Blue Monday" and "Stitches" were enough to make Orgy the 75th most-played rock artist on the radio in 1999. This includes classic rock and the like, so Orgy were VERY big at the time, airplay wise.

Maybe worlds apart was overstating it, but isn't there a substantial difference if one band's making industrial music and another kooky dance?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

(oh, that first stat's from CC's airplay database)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno Yancey, there's some really non-dancey (not as good) stuff of Danse Macabre that reminds me of Orgy. I see the difference basically as FreakOnIca GVSB and Venus Luxure GVSB, one of production budget and song quality.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I honestly only vaguely remember what Orgy sounded like (ha! and I even interviewed them at the time!), but their popularity at the time was very substantial, as that radio airplay stat shows. The bands surrounding Orgy on that ranking:

71 HOLE
72 FILTER
73 DOOBIE BROTHERS
74 SMASH MOUTH
75 ORGY
76 BUCKCHERRY
77 SCORPIONS
78 RAGE AGAINST/MACHINE
79 JOURNEY
80 EVE 6

I dunno if I would say that Orgy was "ahead" of anything, as nabisco suggested above, but it was definitely a bonafide hit.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

though the fact that Buckcherry is right behind them reaffirms that they were the kinda hit that everybody's probably forgot about (Except us music nerds).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 April 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex in NYC is OTM, the song is horrible, what the hell? How's about a thread on that cover of How Soon Is Now that opens up Charmed next?

I mean, I don't think Orgy were particularly unique at all, if anything I figured they were wanking on Manson's "new direction".

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 10 April 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a genius but horrible touch that they change the chorus to make it more 90s. Listen to the Orgy version where they say "I thought I told you to leave ME" vs. the New Order version -- Orgy make the "ME" a major third, which is what I call the "90s mode" (flat 7th, major 3rd), but the New Order versh is straight minor.

― Clarke B., Thursday, 10 April 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I never even knew this existed.

― slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 10 April 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked it. I liked the entire Candyass album, too.

New Order is one of my favorite bands of all time, so I'm well acquainted with the original, mind you.

― paul cox (paul cox), Thursday, 10 April 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

i heard 2 of their songs which is blue monday and stitches.and i really like their music now i really want to buy the album candyass but i have no money but i guess ill use my visa card even though im 14.our friend josh lembison i think thats how you spell it knows orgy and im like i want to meet them badly ahh!! and so i hope i meet them one day that would be cool...............ORGY RULZ FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

― jessica leanna hilton, Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a seriously excellent cover. And if a few more people find out about the original as a result, more props to them.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

That is what I say currently, people may or may not say that were the song released in early 2002.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Dr. Bill, you give me the fear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Might be an age difference thing. Though I already knew and loved the New Order version, it was the Orgy version I really grew up on. Even though in recent years I assumed I'd hate the song if I heard it again, I listened to it again last year when making a NO covers disc, and I found it to be fantastic.

My friends used the fact that I eventually prefered the New Order version to the Orgy version as the cementing of the wussification of my taste.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

ORGY RULZ FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

Hahaha....are they even still a going concern? This strikes as somewhat akin to saying:

AFTER THE FIRE RULZ FOR LIFE!!!! or TOTAL COELO RULZ FOR LIFE!!!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

A.T.F.'s Falco cover was pretty ace tho

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

GREEN JELLY RULZ FOR LIFE!!!!

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 2 January 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd much rather listen to Electroset's 'How Does It Feel?' from 1992 instead

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Sunday, 2 January 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

KING MISSILE RULZ FOR LIFE!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 January 2005 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I rule your life. No, no need to thank me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 January 2005 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, that is impossible, for you are not Mark Burgess

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 3 January 2005 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

LYTE FUNKY ONES RULZ FOR LIFE!!!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 3 January 2005 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

But what happens AFTER life? Do they just not rule anymore? Who rules then?

― Bimble..., Monday, 3 January 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

CRADLE OF FILTH RULZ TEH AFTER LIFE!!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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