how do you write about mediocre music?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
To you pro freelance writers: How do you deal with writing about music about which you have absolutely no opinion? About CDs or bands that just make you go "eh," that don't move you one way or another?

This is perhaps my biggest stumbling block to being a freelance writer. Unless I have a strong opinion about a piece of music, it's literally impossible for me to write about it. I sit in front of the computer, get a headache and finally give up out of sheer frustration.

Seriously, how do you do it? What tricks do you have?

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

They talk about Julian Casablancas ass quite a bit.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Depends on the place you write for: most publications actively discourage opinions from their writers so it's actually a bonus to be presented with mediocre music to critique. The answer is simple: you *describe* it, give some background, maybe threw in a couple of reference points and... that's it. Review over.

Same applies for publications that do care about the quality of the writing, except then you have the added bonus of heading off on whatever tangent takes your fancy.

Damn, mediocre music is almost the *easiest* to write about. Not least because you have no emotional investment in your review or article, so you can relax and just write it.

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Listen to lots of Coldplay and David Gray for inspiration.....

RUSS T, Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to think about the gas bill and eating etc, then do it. However I think writing about music you don't care one way or another about is a pretty poor way of going about music journalism. That's why most music writing now is so bad. You really should have some emotional/cultural investment in what you're talking about, otherwise you probably won't know much about it and be writing an adequate, but basically ill-informed piece and there are always writers out there who do either love or hate exactly the self same thing you're having difficulty finding an opinion about who could do it better. That's why I tried to avoid doing it. However, plenty of people make a very good living out of doing just this... just look at The Guardian for example - as a result it's a deathly dull read, though.

Dave Stelfox, Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

viciously

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave is also so bone-crushingly obviously right, it almost didn't need to be stated. Unfortunately, I suspect Guardian writers don't post here. Still, I stand by my contention that most editors DON'T want opinions...

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I write for a website, and hardly ever get promos, so it's admittedly not a common problem for me, because I mainly got into it to write about bands I wanted other people to hear.

I try to not be one of those guys who go into long stories about completely unrelated shit, mainly because I hate those reviews myself. Not to mention that I'm a terrible writer, so it would've been particularly obnoxious if I were to try it!
But I've received a few promos, though I generally decline the offers, and I know -exactly- what you mean. I stare at the screen, then end up just writing the most boring review possible, though I try to at least describe the music. It's definitely not easy going, as there's really nothing that you can latch on to and rave about or completely trash into the ground.

Then I write something moronic like "Oooh, megafans of the genre might like it, but the rest of us can safely steer well clear!"

It's a good thing I'm clogging up the internet with my garbage http://home.online.no/~poholsen/dontgothere.gif

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Stelfox, but I also like the idea of going off on tangents. Hadn't thought of that myself.

The problem is this -- dull albums make dull writing. It's hard to spruce up something that you find dull. A good reviewer can't help but give his opinion away -- the writing itself reflects the feelings involved. I can always tell when Ebert didn't give two turds about a movie -- he'll give it three stars and write the most uninteresting review ever. Those are the movies I most avoid.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

be a fucking pro and get the job done.

do you think plumbers sit around and ask each other how they fix a leak that they don't care about?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Unfortunately, I suspect Guardian writers don't post here.

Then I can probably safely say that they bore me to tears particularly their "rock critic in residence".... zzzzzzzzzzz!

Jerry, check your email!

Dave Stelfox, Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

But fixing a leak is more mechanical than writing a review. The sink leaks, you get the right tools out and you fix the leak. You know you've done it right if the sink doesn't leak anymore. Writing is a far less certain process.

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously, it isn't.
don't be such a romantic ponce.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

But Horace, you're running the risk of giving instructions on how to write exactly like The Guardian, aren't you? Isn't "workmanlike" exactly the WRONG way to get people to read you?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't a review all about opinion anyway, you're basically telling people what something is/was like and whether or not it is/was worth seeing/buying etc... It's wrong when your in that position not to tell the truth... people end up wasting their time and money on crap and miss out on good stuff, too if you don't try to cover stuff you care about. This works in both the positive and negative sense cf Jess's Majesticons review in the Voice for the latter instance...

Dave Stelfox, Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I initially read this as 'how do you write mediocre music'?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

This seems a little obvious, but you could just say that it is mediocre, and explain why you feel that way.

That'd be a lot better for the reader than having you take the assignment as an excuse to write some faux-clever Pitchfork crap.

It may also be a good idea to show some empathy and not just slag it off, because you're judging something someone spent some time, energy and money into creating. Try to find some value in the work, and let the reader know about it.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"Workmanlike". I like that. Can i take that one and use on a pice I'm working on for my blog?! "The workmanlike prose of A**x** P***i**s and D**i** L**s***"! Ha ha... I may never work again!

Dave Stelfox, Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Your writing doesn't have to be workmanlike, but your, uh, work habits should be.
I write for a medium sized daily on sort of a preferred freelance basis. I've been doing this for two years. There's another music f.l.'er who's been doing it for 12 years. He's sort of my superior. (he holds a high-level job in a non-editorial dept. of the paper)
This is my job. 90 per cent of what I cover I could give a rat's ass over. I have a part-time desk-job and I write for other places, but this is my bread and butter, this is what keeps Mann-spirit and Mann-body joined.
Recently, I had to confront my senior colleague about something. His response was that he does this gig as a hobby, which essentially undermined everything I had to say. And probably means that I will not be here much longer.
I mean, whatever, music writing is probably one of the most fun branches of j'lism. Great, enjoy it. But be just a little bit responsible about it, y'know.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

What Guardian writer? Where? You mean they're one of mine? I'll CREAM THE BASTARD! Ah fuck it...

Mike, I suspect the problem may not be "I have no opinions about it" (because you clearly do: you think it's mediocre) but "I can't think of any ways of describing it" (reads similar, but is entirely different). In which case.... no, you probably shouldn't be writing about it. But assuming you will anyway (because hell, a paying gig is a paying gig, right - er, *like I know*) then relax. It's not difficult, this criticism lark. Do some research (the Internet is a fucking boon!). Make a cuppa. Listen to some stuff you like. Then try again

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Alexis Petridis. :)

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Phew. Not one of mine, then.

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't Stephen Dalton write for CTCL? Surely he's written for the Grauniad as well? And maybe even (hehe) Neil Kulkarni too. Surely you've written for them too Jerry?

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Alexis Petridis. :)
Cozen

Damn rumbled... and I thought I was being all, like, cryptic and everything...

Dave Stelfox, Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn it. I knew you were going to catch me out like that. Damn. No I haven't, actually. (Hence any bitterness; because I consider myself more informed, interesting, passionate, witty and opionated than ANYONE they have working for them.) Someone that actually *pays* me for writing? Heaven forbid....

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Even if I can't spell...

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, Dave, I wasn't even guessing I was just wanting that name up here so he can google his mofo-ass and then we can pants him.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I consider myself more informed, interesting, passionate, witty and opionated than ANYONE they have working for them

I consider my 12-year-old stepsister all of the above, too, and respect her musical opinions far more... and I seriously mean that.

I can spell just fine - I just can't type!

Dave Stelfox, Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Does CTCL make a profit?

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, Dave, I wasn't even guessing I was just wanting that name up here so he can google his mofo-ass and then we can pants him.

He is bloody dreadful though isn't he... total fucking donkey of a writer, same with Lynskey, too... Both have written pieces that have damn near had me gouging out my eyes and tearing out my hair!

Dave Stelfox, Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I never read The Guardian. I too have nieces whose opinions I value more...

CTCL does not make a profit. If you ever smell the paper we use, you'll understand why... For the last 16 months or so, I've been working an average of 30-40 hours a week for free (obviously I enjoy it)

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

And I fucking wish that wasn't so...!

Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Writing about mediocre music = crap day job. When I'm lumbered with something like Simply Red or TWO Terence Trent D'Arby albums to review for Uncut I remember the comparatively astronomical hourly rate I will be paid for having to listen to them.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

But then you get to write about androgynous dude's with Kallman's Syndrome and give them 5*, Marcello, and it all feels worthwhile.

Add scare quotes to any word you want in that sentence, preferably the last.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hehe, how did you get lumbered reviewing Terence Trent D'Arby, M? I saw that as I was flicking through today and had a little snicker. (I liked the (smog) dissing too.)

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew Mista Petridis at school, and he was a pretentious twuzzok then too. But he had a ridiculously large record collection (financed by his parents) with all the hip indie releases at the time. My Bloody Valentine were his faves.

I still have a copy of the fanzine he once did. I should dig it out the next time i need a good laugh.

But he's ambitious, he always wanted be the editor of a national newspaper, he's half way there, give him another five years........

Dr Challoner (Jack Battery-Pack), Friday, 11 April 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

he always wanted be the editor of a national newspaper, he's half way there, give him another five years........

God help us all... then again I make my living at national newspapers, so I can actually see this happening... Better stop as by the sounds of it my career may one day be in his hands... it's a sickeningly unjust world.

Dave Stelfox, Friday, 11 April 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think he's that bad, I mean he doesn't seem to be out to damage or slate hugely, he's just mediocre, that is worse than some of the little satans out there.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 April 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

er i meant, that is not as bad as some of the little satans.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 April 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Mediocre music is a great excuse to talk about your day and imagining the band playing to a venue full of five loud drunks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 April 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

on my ballsier days, I consider mediocrity to be unforgivable, while if somethings terrible, at least somebody probably tried.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 11 April 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Do what every other music writer in history has done:

1. Claim it is much better than it is.
or
2. Claim it is much worse than it is.
or
3. Give it to someone else to write about it

In the year 2003, if the like of Mojo are anything to go by, 1 is the preferred option especially if it is a "respected artist" or one that record companies have a lot of money invested in.

Dadaismus, Friday, 11 April 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Assuming you want to be a professional pop/rock writer:

1. Forget about quality as a relevant factor (98% of pop music is mediocre, life's too short to be serious about finding the 2% that isn't).

2. You must do your research, ie FIND OUT HOW HIP PEOPLE RATE BAND X. This is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL and NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Misread the trends and your career is in the toilet before it even starts.

3. If you've decided band x are hip, praise them extravagantly. Make it clear you liked band x before everyone else. Better still, claim they started out by rehearsing in your bedroom. The lead singer/guitarist is such a close pal he regularly gets pissed and beats you up, which of course you view with amused tolerance after that incident with the groupie. Take plenty of swipes at not-quite-as-hip bands y and z, along with snide comments about their fans who don't have the cool to "get" band x. Analyse band x's lyrics in a way suggesting they have something profound to say about contemporary society, even though you know they are meaningless shite. A basic education in English may help with this but isn't essential.

4. If you decide not hip, denigrate mercilessly. Expose their lyrics as meaningless shite. Your level of hostility should increase exponentially with the band's popularity. Special levels of bile should be reserved for unhip bands liked by people who insultingly appear to believe they are as hip as you are, especially if you secretly fear they may be right.

5. You must NEVER take the view that if band x are not very good that is a bit of a shame, but not a big problem because you can go across to your cd player and put on something else. The mere existence of not-very-good band x, and their purportedly mystifying (but secretly highly comforting) popularity with the less hip exposes the rotten core of our political/social/cultural values and potentially blights all our lives.

Obviously this doesn't cover tricky situations like bands who are no longer hip but were when you hailed them as the saviours of pop music, or bands who were never hip but your editor thinks are, or whose fans buy the mag in large numbers.

ArfArf, Friday, 11 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, Alexis Petridis: the guy who claimed "Big Eyed Beans From Venus" was on "Trout Mask Replica" then STILL got to review the Magic Band gig in the Guardian (and apparently got it totally wrong into the bargain).

Dadaismus, Saturday, 12 April 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.