Britpop plays the second time as gossip

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John Harris has published a book about Britpop called 'The Last Party: Britpop, Blair And The Demise Of English Rock' (Fourth Estate). The media have responded eagerly to this latest revival (so soon after Madchester and Grunge got their respective reheats!): Mojo has a cover story this month about it and The Guardian today runs excerpts.

What's striking is that the story seems to be replaying with the accent firmly on gossip, with Damon Albarn playing a kind of Hello! magazine Heathcliffe character.

Are you ready to relive 1995? Are you titillated by these tales of junk and jism? Do you think they should be talking about the music, man? Or would you rather the British music media gave more space to stuff happening now?

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 12 April 2003 08:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(I got a rush of nostalgia reading the Guardian piece because I was very tangentially involved in some of the events described.)

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 12 April 2003 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

'story of my life'

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 12 April 2003 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I have thought for a while that there was a significant and thoughtful book to be written and published about - or around - Britpop. Whether this is it, I don't know.

I was thinking about Britpop again yesterday and realized that one thing the historians should do is probably use the word 'Britpop' less. When I was into Britpop I didn't particularly go round thinking in terms of 'Britpop'. At least, I don't think I did. Perhaps I am forgetting. But as so often - the complaint is familiar enough - labels can obscure and deaden as well as give necessary guidance.

the pinefox, Saturday, 12 April 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

note how it's 'an edited extract'.
maybe the actual book is more heavily weighted on the
music side. or perhaps there's even more 'juice'.
i always though all that brett/bernard/justine/damon
stuff would make a dead exciting story but
this makes it seem pretty flat and boring.
and anyway, where's loz hardy ? he ususally gets a mention.

piscesboy, Saturday, 12 April 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Brett Anderson is cool.

Calum, Saturday, 12 April 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

And where's Loz Hayward, aka Lawrence from Denim?

The answer is that although Denim were qualified in many ways for Britpop superstardom, very few people get two bites at the cherry. Lawrence was too much an 80s figure, much more present in the previous decade than Jarvis, whom he supported several times and was a similar age.

And Denim were really much too clever and post-modern a group to be mainstream Britpop. Although Blur got Damian Hirst to make them the odd comedy video, they weren't as conceptual or clever as Denim.

If the book is as focused on 'celebrities' as the extracts, it's a chilling lesson in how history dumbs movements down and reduces complex landscapes to ultra-simple, pre-digested and compelling narratives. 'Rivals who dated the same girl' is pure Jeffrey Archer, as is 'working class northerners versus southern softies'. Does Luke Haines get a look-in somewhere? Is the book going to be a solid survey a la David Cavanagh, or a gloss a la Paolo Hewitt?

Sure, history is written by the winners, but if we pay our fifteen quid only to be told stuff we already knew, we're the losers.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 12 April 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Loads of my interviews are quoted in this.

This sounds shockingly similar to something I was asked to think about writing a few years back; it was to be called Cruel Britannia.

More later. Some of us have MARCHING to do.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 12 April 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

are you in the army?

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 12 April 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

She's in the brit pop army!

Sonny M, Saturday, 12 April 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Just read that Suede played two Greatist Hits show in Denmark recently and included The Next Life, The Asphalt World, To the Birds and Daddy's Speeding. Oh how much do I wish I was going to Glasto now.

Calum, Saturday, 12 April 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

The answer is that although Denim were qualified in many ways for Britpop superstardom, very few people get two bites at the cherry. Lawrence was too much an 80s figure, much more present in the previous decade than Jarvis, whom he supported several times and was a similar age.

And Denim were really much too clever and post-modern a group to be mainstream Britpop. Although Blur got Damian Hirst to make them the odd comedy video, they weren't as conceptual or clever as Denim.

I totally agree. It's a shame, because very few of the Britpop albums came close to being as good as anything Denim produced.

Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 12 April 2003 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

ahead of his time on 3 counts-Felt, Denim, AND go-kart mozart. He's the only living genius I worship. Well, next to Alice Munro and Billie Jean King.

Scott Seward, Saturday, 12 April 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0043/seward.php

scott seward, Saturday, 12 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, how come it's not all about Momus and how he secretly conquered the britpop world - behind the scenes - ala Dr Evil??

sonny m, Saturday, 12 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"And where's Loz Hayward, aka Lawrence from Denim?"

or Loz Hardy from Kingmaker, at one time one of the points in the Frischmann-Anderson-Albarn rectangle?

The Guardian piece also missed the best parts. the (possibly apocryphal) story about Brett writing 'Animal Lover' about the overlap between Justine moving on to Damon, and the 'branding' game the two boys would play in leaving lovebites on Justine to mark thir 'territory' as she flitted between them?

Or the tangential (and possibly litigous) story about the Damon-Lisa Moorish-Liam love triangle.

I think the gossipy revisionism/nostalgia is kind of appropriate, really. it establishes Britpop as a soap opera rather than some culture-razing George Formby-pop art movement which was the most important thing to happen in the history of the world ever.

Britpop wasn't the renaissance, it was Eastenders. and there's nothing wrong with a healthy casual liking for Eastenders.

Petra Star, Sunday, 13 April 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, this gossipy element isn't exactly news; I've long referred to the Blur/Suede/Elastica scene as the Bloomsbury Set you could dance to.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i hadnt realised just how fuelled by envy and irrational hatred Albarn seems to have been, no wonder everyone thinks he's a twat

stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 April 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Damon Albarn was the one who killed Britpop. He did it because of an arrogant distaste for the fact that 12-year-old girls and Guardian readers appeared to like his music. That is, his music was so good it actually appealed to Guardian readiers, so he made it less good.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps it wasn't the fact that his music was *liked* that made him "kill Britpop" (thanks for finally acknowledging that it really was the Blur/Elastica/Suede axis that invented Britpop, and Oasis were really just Johnny come latelies) - but the fact that it was MISUNDERSTOOD. Something that started as wry social commentary got turned into jingoistic flag-waving. I think there was a level of disgust at that, rather than disgust at popularity.

kate, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Those 12-year-old girls never cared about flag-waving.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

blur as wry? surely not?

they seemed to play along with the whole thing right from the get go, i always thought.

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, and lecherous 30 year old popstars NEVER like being worshipped by teenage girls.

kate, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir is, of course, right about the 12-year old girls, which is also why Marcello's theory about it being the Spice Girls who really killed Britpop is correct.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, blame the girls. It's always the women who are at fault, ruining our lovely MUSIC with all their teeny bopper girliness. God forbid that 12 year old girls should like GOOD music, let them stick to their Spice Girls etc.

Sure, the Spice Girls may have killed BritPop, but their alternative was a hell of a lot better than the Oasis Weller Scene.

kate, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, and lecherous 30 year old popstars NEVER like being worshipped by teenage girls.

And, in a way, I can understand them. I mean, constantly having to change your phone number because you have 5 adolescent girls calling you every ten minutes. It sure can get annoying, I am sure...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, kate, let's forget about Spice Girls and blame Boyzone instead, OK? :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

If the Spice Girls did kill Britpop, they ought to be canonized. Canonize in the 'elevated to sainthood' sense.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

And, btw. commercially Britpop was probably killed by those boy/girl bands, but when it comes to indie credibility, there are other reasons why it died. And that is where my theory about Damon Albarn comes in.

Speaking of... Those Spice Girls influenced pop acts were actually better than a lot of other manufactured stuff on the hitlists lately. At least there were proper songs, with verse, bridge and a fully composed chorus. That style of rather melodic pop music seems to have died around the moment Max Martin closed down his Cheiron studios though, replaced in the hitlists by awful and absolutely unlistenable R&B crap.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't blaming the girls, Kate - I was saying that it was the buying power of the armies of teenage girls that was the real motor behind Britpop. Without them, I'm not sure it would have been much more than just another music press-hyped musical 'movement' a bit like this New Rock Revolution thing we seem to be lumbered with at the moment.

Now obviously teenage girls are notoriously fickle and probably wouldn't have bought Blur's eponymous album even if it hadn't been filled with half-arsed lo-fi atrocities.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, thats how i read it. surely we are not shedding tears for britpops demise now?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

as in, why would we want to 'blame' teenage girls for not liking boring ass indie music?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Britpop thankfully isn't all dead. There are still bands like Coldplay, Travis and Doves around, which is great. Because no current music is better than what those three are doing.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Britpop thankfully isn't all dead. There are still bands like Coldplay, Travis and Doves around, which is great. Because no current music is better than what those three are doing.

::throws self off bridge::

Yeah, I know... DNFTT...

kate, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

because we always blame girls gareth, apparently. don't you see

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

the Bloomsbury Set you could dance to

a) Justine Frischmann was not Virginia Woolf. Jarvis Cocker was not Lytton Strachey. Laim Gallagher was not Roger Fry. Sarah Cracknell was not Vanessa Bell. James Brown was not Maynard Keynes. Etc.

b) Nobody sane ever danced to Britpop. (Although it was fun watching Jarvis try.)

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

...and Nick Currie is not Wyndham Lewis. Another revelation!

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody sane ever danced to Britpop

you have obviously never been to a Melbourne indie club. you should consider yourself damn freakin' lucky

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, you said 'sane'. my mistake

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen plenty of sane people dancing to Britpop. Ok, so I was in Hamburg at the time, but all the same...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

'Laim' Gallagher

accidental truth oft hidden within the momusmaze

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the problem with the John Harris book (and it's a few weeks since i read it so this is from memory) is that it falls almost exactly midway beetween the David Cavanagh and Paolo Hewitt Creaion books. It's not as heavyweight as Cavanagh and misses a few obvious connections, but isn't as throwaway as the Hewitt book (which was rubbish, but quite fun to read). Also, I think charging £15 for a paperback book is a bit silly, I don't know why they didn't put it out at a tenner.

My main gripe with Harris (and this goes for the Live Forever film too) is that his love of Damon and contempt for Liam is so thinly veiled. I personally don't mind if John Harris prefers Blur to Oasis, or thinks they were a "better" or more "important" band (although I disagree) but I don't think he can then pretend to write the "Britpop story" as if it were a straightforward retelling of the tale.

Biggest surprise for me was the space devoted to Elastica and Menswear, who Harris uses almost as barometers of the scene - maybe cos he was more personally involved with them than the big players?

By the way, no mention of Loz Hardy in "Last Party" as I recall - but then no mention of Lisa Moorish either...

reclusive hero (reclusive hero), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)


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