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I like it when lyrics are printed, if they're worth printing. But does everyone?. Do you agree with Pulp's command on every album of "Do not read the lyrics while listening to the music"? Does it bug you when printed lyrics include non-lyrical information (such as 'instrumental break' or when the chorus comes round again they just say 'chorus')? It bugs me. Any good examples of the lyrics printed being different to what is sung? Has this ever added anything to a song?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 13 April 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I like lyric sheets, and I agree that it's irritating when they add things such as "instrumental break" "bridge" and "chorus." I don't like boring plain lyric sheets, really (see: Tom Waits "Rain Dogs" or Fugazi "13 Songs"). I don't listen to Pulp, so I can't say I pay much attention to their command--while listening to the music is when I read lyric sheets most.

Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, if there's a chorus or repeated lyric, they shouldn't bother to print that part twice, or say "chorus" or "x4" or whatever. i mean, i think the reader/listener will get it. although it's sometimes kinda cool when the lyric sheet prints every lyric every time it's said, it kind of illustrates exactly how repetitive it is.

I thought it was kind of stupid that R.E.M. just started printing lyrics on their last couple albums, by which time Stipe's words were much more intelligible (and less interesting/cryptic) anyway. they may as well have just stuck with the no lyric sheet policy just for continuity. although i've always said it would be cool if they published a book with all the lyrics for every album.

I don't really think lyrics should have to work on paper, it's really about the context of the music, but generally I like when lyrics are printed, though, if only for easy reference and to get a better handle on the meaning. when I make a record I want to print lyrics, if only just to prove to myself that i'm confident enough in the words that i won't cringe seeing them in print. I've also toyed with the idea of printing a lot of weird extraneous information alongside the lyrics (the BPM and what key each song is in, etc.)..(has anyone seen a record that has something like that?)

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Never never never. Would you print the chord changes in the booklet too? How about the position of the faders on the mixing board? I've been asked to print my lyrics and I will never do it.

When lyrics are included, I don't even look at them unless it's an album I'm 100% familiar with and am curious about a word here or there. Also, it's probably a bad idea to read along with lyrics, especially if you are reviewing a record.

Major dud, printing lyrics. The worst (and you don't see this much anymore) is when the occasional hip hop album does this. Fu-Schnickens?? UGH!!!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm against it. If I care enough to want to read them I'll go online.

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree they're for reference only, but it's nice to have that reference. It always bugs me when a record review misquotes a memorable lyric, just for lack of double-checking.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

And some records are more about the lyrics than others. It's appropriate for Dylan albums to have lyrics. Not so much My Bloody Valentine.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I never understood the point of Pulp's request re lyrics. What, so you can read them before or after you listen to the song but not during? Anyway, back when I cared about Elvis Costello I thought it was amusing how none of his albums had lyric sheets even though his lyrics were one of the best things about him... until "Imperial Bedroom", when the LP came with the lyrics at last... and they were printed all running together lower-case, no punctuation, so they were maddening to read.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, yeah: Reading lyrics while listening to a song is a dud, because then when the instrumental parts of the song are playing, you're just sitting there waiting for the next lyrics to come by; the pacing of the song gets all screwed up. Also, it totally spoils any lyrical surprises. So using the lyrics to double-check what you thought the song said after it's over is fine, but reading along is bad form.

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I've also toyed with the idea of printing a lot of weird extraneous information alongside the lyrics (the BPM and what key each song is in, etc.)..(has anyone seen a record that has something like that?)

A couple of Unrest releases had the BPM of each song printed beside the track name. I seem to remember the liner notes to some coffeehouse-folky album (Michelle Shocked?) having the chords printed alongside the lyrics.

Also, the Microphones published sheet music for the songs on It Was Hot, We Stayed In The Water, but that was sold separately from the album itself. Nice idea, though.

I'm generally pro-more-stuff-in-the-liner-notes, but I'm okay if a band eschews filling up their liner notes with extraneous information as long as they put it on their website instead.

Nick Mirov (nick), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Another album that I believe prints (guitar?) chords along with the lyrics is Blur's The Great Escape.

Though I do like printed lyrics in most cases, I don't have a strong position on this vital issue.

I like the Mission of Burma sheet (Signals Calls and Marches?) that doesn't print lines of lyrics, but prints each the word used on the record in alphabetical order. Aimee Mann also does this in her I'm With Stupid album.

And I enjoy the way one of the Pere Ubu FAQs answers the lyric sheet question:

3. Why were there no printed lyrics?

From the beginning we never printed lyrics. We printed very little information. We didn't even list who played what. Words can't be separated from the music. Rock music is not poetry bolted onto quaint populist naive musical structures. But in the 80's the cd came along and there were those booklets to fill up. We went along with the crowd. We were weak-willed. Simultaneously, we began to think, "Oh that Tom Verlaine gets credit for writing good lyrics... that David Byrne does... We oughta get credit too!" We were weak. We wised up.


Mean Guy, Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I think one thing that's cool about the rise of well-made artist websites is that they can unload all the ranting and non-required reading there instead of having extraneous liner notes in the album package.

the only rap album I've ever seen with a lyric sheet is Reflection Eternal (any other examples?). I kind of admire that, just the effort, given the sheer bulk of words is so much more than the average rock lyric sheet. but then, just going to ohhla.com is more convenient anyway.

I think Costello finally printing lyrics for everything is the major selling point of those new Rhino reissues.

"Never never never. Would you print the chord changes in the booklet too? How about the position of the faders on the mixing board? I've been asked to print my lyrics and I will never do it. "

well that was kind of the point of my idea w/ the BPMs and all. kind of playing the game while making a comment on the arbitrary nature of it. i can understand the position of wanting to give the listener as little input as possible aside from the actual sound. but it might be fun to toy with those expectations a little, too.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

the Lemonheads' It's a Shame About Ray album prints all the lines from the album in the CD booklet, but they're all mixed up together. So it's potentially useful if there's a word you can't work out but otherwise pretty useless (plus the vocals are mixed high enough to work the lyrics out yourself anyway)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ride's approach with lyrics in their first album -- one line from each song all strung together -- remains the best. Otherwise, Do Not Print.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Nirvana did that on Nevermind too

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i think that leaving them off the sleeve but putting them on the website is the way to go. that way you can completely ignore/avoid them if necessary

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 April 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i liked the way the lyrics were handled with Dexys' lp Too-rye-aye and the Residents' Eskimo.

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 14 April 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)


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