stuff that's popular and/or critically lauded now, but will be utterly irrelevant 10 years from now

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here's to looking at you, Sigur Ros and Wilco!

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The Neptunes

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

radiohead!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Missy, Roll Deep, Justin Timberlake, Miss Kittin, Queens Of The Stone Age, Jay-Z.

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beatles

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

the idea that music needs to be relevant to an imagined future

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno, this "it'll be forgotten in ten years" argument is always a bit of a cop-out. i use it myself sometimes, but as there's no actual way of proving or disproving it without access to a time machine, it generally leads discussions up a dead end. and a lot of records i enjoy were forgotten within a few months by everyone else, so i'm not sure if it matters that much.

but i'll contradict myself by answering your question anyway! I suppose stuff like the libertines and the datsuns will be forgotten soon enough...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

mitch beat me to it. sort of.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Chunky A

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

mitch and kilian hate fun! *sticks tongue out*

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick Drake

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The Streets.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

P!nk

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

EMO

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

amen libertines. though they'll probably be admired by someone or other 25 years from now. "they were trying to bring some sense of britishness along when everyone was in thrall to us-style garage. "no, they were just shit. can you pass that dishful of cocaine?"

― matthew james (matthew james), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Absolutely everything you hold dear.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.bubblegun.com/images/punk1.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Almost all will be forgotten. There is too much to remember now. Stuff stays relevant by being nostalgic to a large group; we're so framgmented there's no opportunity to build that kind of momentum.

― Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

julio hates hating fun

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

All r`n`b and UK garage stuff.

― Margus Kiis, Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

But Wilco have already been around for almost 10 years.

― David Allen, Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

the kills will be one of those bands that a 35-year old struggles to recall the name of when talking to some drunk rhythm guitarist in the throes of youth.

― matthew james (matthew james), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

But Wilco have already been around for almost 10 years.

and they still suck!

(nb: this thread inspired by my finally listening to yankee foxtrot hotel, which had to be one of the most boring things i've heard in a long time. why o why is this band lauded?)

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot isn't so bad. I think it was the expectations built by crit-wank hyper-reviews that make it seem relatively dull. In the right mood, it has its moments of weary beauty.

Then again, I like Sigur Rós while everyone else just plain hates them, so don't listen to me.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

why o why is this band lauded?

Because it pisses off people like you! They're like this generation's Sex Pistols! I AM AN AMERICAN AQUARIUM ANTICHRIST

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

David I'm so glad you remembered to put the accent over the 'o'. It really irritates me when people forget that.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Smashmouth

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

“The Popular formula in this, the aftermath era of such successful British bluesmen as Cream and John Mayall, seems to be: add, to an excellent guitarist who, since leaving the Yardbirds and/or Mayall has become a minor musical deity, a competent rhythm section and a pretty soul belter who can do a good spade imitation. The latest of the British groups so conceived offers little that its twin, The Jeff Beck Group, didn’t say as well or better three months ago…”

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - is that who I think it's about?

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ie. the Statler Brothers?

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's Juice Newton.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

so close!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

plus Page ripped off Beck's version of "You Shook Me" and his "Shapes of Things" guitar solo. The wanker.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

plus he totally ripped off Satan

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

that too.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Popular = Christine Aguilera, Li'l Kim, Creed, 50 Cent

Critically Lauded = Electroclash, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost said the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(I would have quoted the entire 1969 Rolling Stone review of Zep's debut album, but all I could find online was a few lines. I've got a print copy around somewhere, though. At any rate, it's not on the RS website because they've changed their official rating of the album to five stars instead of, what was it, one? My point exactly, kids.)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

try to find Rolling Stone's original review of Nevermind (two stars).

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know how I could forget any of these bands. Except the Yeah Yeah Yeahs (unless they get on MTV soon) and the Libertines (who I simply haven't heard yet). I'd LIKE to forget "Sea Change." And Wilco is headlining the annual free music festival in town this year so I will never forget them (when you live in State College, ALL concerts are memorable).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the baffling line up for the mainstage (the concert is Saturday).

Jimmie's Chicken Shack
Bubba Sparxx
Get Up Kids
Wilco

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Bubba Sparxx seems like he should already be opening for a Vanilla Ice tour.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

he's too busy warming up the crowd in State College for Get Up Kids and Wilco! Funny thing is I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the biggest crowd of them all.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

back off man - he's what trife coulda been

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Markpitchfork's post was scary.

― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Scarily accurate, perhaps -- but since there is still such a thing as top forty, not immediately guaranteed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Climbing the ladder to ride the slive into Utter Irrelevance: Avril Lavigne, Sum 41, Blink 182, Vanese Carlton, Pink (well spotted), Carmen Elektra, Fred Durst, Evanesence, Default, Nickelback, Good Charlotte.

I'd love to say Courtney Love, but her place in the Pantheon of the Untouchable has been sadly secured -- though not because of the "brilliance" of her music, but rather the garish flamboyance of her flagrant obnoxia.

Irrelevant Bands I still Love: The Wonder Stuff, Belfegore, Cop Shoot Cop, Pussy Galore, the Circle Jerks, Mansun, the Wedding Present.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

sliDe......although "slive" sounds better.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

(NB - my opinion on the first Led Zeppelin album is that the fourth is better.)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Best Zep albums = In Through the Out Door and Houses of the Holy.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 180 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

http://www.mfiles.co.uk/Composers/Marvin-Hamlisch.htm

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Marvin Hamlisch was just in "How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days" shockah! (not really)

― Carey (Carey), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree entirely with Mark's sentiments... Especially in terms of underground music, but I tend to think it's relevant across the board. Very, very little of the music being made today will ever be a phenomenon along the lines of the VU (as a single "underground" example), or even (*shudder*) Led Zeppelin. There's simply _too much_ now, and so much that's already been done.

All revivalism, in particular, has no choice but to be relegated to the status of "also-rans" as soon as the public is properly refreshed in their remembrance of whatever sound happens to be "revived". Once people tire of it the second time 'round, it'll just move to the back of the line after the acts they were all recalling in the first place.

― Eric Carr (Immanuel Kant), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is silly

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

elaborate...

― Cecil Kittens (Cecil), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll scan that review tomorrow, along with the reviews for III and IV.

II
III
IV

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

It became silly about the time when I brought up The Man Machine.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I blame it all on Marvin Hamlisch.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Paging through the latest Rolling Stone....here are some future casualties of the Scythe of Irrelevance:

- John Mayer (and a lot sooner than ten years)
- Linkin Park
- Norah Jones
- AFI
- Fischerspooner
- System of a Down
- Matchbox Twenty....wait, they're ALREADY irrelevant!
- Dashboard Confessional

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

- Matchbox Twenty....wait, they're ALREADY irrelevant!

b-b-but Rob Thomas sings on the best-selling single of all time!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah.....so?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

- John Mayer (and a lot sooner than ten years)

This statement is a wonderland, etc.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah.....so?

So he's obviously extremely "influential" to a lot of consumers!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Consumers are sheep. They live to be sheared, slaughtered and eaten.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

So do my coworkers and you don't see me actually doing it, Custos.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

That sentence is a little confusing...
Please explain.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

bands that are really good live, but suck on recordings

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Do my coworkers!
um...all of them?
You don't see me actually doing it, Custos?
Yes, Ally. I see you doing it. I have a camcorder! I can watch you doing it anytime I want now.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Consumers are sheep. They live to be sheared, slaughtered and eaten.

Fuckin' AMEN!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, Alex...I'll bring the marinade and the mint jelly if you bring the charcoal briquettes and some lighter fluid...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Consumers are sheep.

Dude, I agree, but that's not what this thread's about. :-)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I DON'T DO ANY OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE FILTHY BEGGARS, THANKS. Anyway, Custos, they've fired the majority of attractive women in my office, we used to resemble a modelling agency but for some inexplicable reason they did away with that hiring practice. I mean, if you're going to hire extrodinarily incompetent people, you really should hire extremely attractive ones, at least.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for the scans, JBR -- indeed he does say it. But I'm almost more taken with the letters from "John's Groupie" and "The Cretin."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Everything that is already 20-30 years old will definitely still be considered important 10 years old.

There are some of today's acts, though, that will definitely not be particularly remembered in 10 years, and I would say White Stripes, Hives and Strokes are the most obvious examples.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No need even mentioning that this entire "contemporary R&B" thing will of course be long forgotten in 2013 btw.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw, the reason why Strokes, White Stripes or Hives won't survive:

- They aren't particularly innovative, and will not be able to earn a place in history as innovators.

- Then you are stuck with the fact that a lot of non-innovative bands (in fact they are usually better than the innovators, musically that is) are still able to earn themselves a place in history simply because they write good songs that keep being played on the radio for generations to come, i.e. the "Yesterday" type. But Strokes, Hives or White Stripes don't do that either.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

Revive!

That Led Zeppelin II review is the stupidest goddamn record review I've ever read. Man does that John Mendelsohn fellow REALLY REALLY want to be as cool as Lester Bangs!

Rolling Stone in never-any-good-at-all-not-even-back-in-the-day-when-they-were-supposed-to-be-really-really-hip shocka!!

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 22 November 2004 04:38 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was kind of funny actually although obviously dated. I liked the parts about the 'cleverness' of the lemon line and watching B-movies to "WLL". And the drugs. It's the LB one that weirds me out. Even to a non-fan in 1970 I can't imagine how all of LZIII could sound the same! Especially to a Stooges fan! It must be one of the most eclectic albums of the genre. Still, I'm glad he liked "That's the Way". I always knew he was a wuss at heart.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:59 (twenty years ago)

Wait, I'm assuming Mendelssohn hated LZII. If he liked it, then the review stinks.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:31 (twenty years ago)

Novocain. HAHAHAHA. It must be a pisstake.

― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago)

I might add (and forgive me if I'm wrong, because I'm too young to remember) but did anyone who was into rock music think JOHNNY CASH was RELEVANT in the 1980s?

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago)

Irrelevant Bands I still Love: ...... Belfegore (YAY! - ed.)
, .........

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), April 13th, 2003.

― Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:49 (twenty years ago)

seventeen years pass...

this "it'll be forgotten in ten years" argument is always a bit of a cop-out. i use it myself sometimes, but as there's no actual way of proving or disproving it without access to a time machine

Here's the time machine (nine years late)! These are the acts that are mentioned in the thread:

Sigur Ros and Wilco!
The Neptunes
radiohead!
Missy, Roll Deep, Justin Timberlake, Miss Kittin, Queens Of The Stone Age, Jay-Z.
The Beatles
stuff like the libertines and the datsuns
Nick Drake
The Streets.
P!nk
EMO
All r`n`b and UK garage stuff.
the kills
Smashmouth
Popular = Christine Aguilera, Li'l Kim, Creed, 50 Cent
Critically Lauded = Electroclash, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Avril Lavigne, Sum 41, Blink 182, Vanessa Carlton, Carmen Elektra, Fred Durst, Evanescence, Default, Nickelback, Good Charlotte.
J. Lo, the Backstreet Boys, Puff Daddy, Britney Spears
Shed Seven
Clinic
White Stripes, Hives and Strokes
this entire "contemporary R&B" thing

Here's the top ten from the 2003 Pazz and Jop poll; the number in brackets is where the album is placed in the best of 2003 list on Acclaimed Music, a more contemporary perspective:

1. OutKast: Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (2)
2. The White Stripes: Elephant (1)
3. Fountains of Wayne: Welcome Interstate Managers (30)
4. Radiohead: Hail to the Thief (7)
5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs: Fever to Tell (5)
6. The Shins: Chutes Too Narrow (4)
7. New Pornographers: Electric Version (31)
8. Basement Jaxx: Kish Kash (33)
9. Drive-By Truckers: Decoration Day (26)
10. Dizzee Rascal: Boy in Da Corner (3)

― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:28 (three years ago)

I still like all of those, but I haven't heard half of them in maybe a decade.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:37 (three years ago)

I guess I should rephrase that as "I still like all of those in theory" since I should revisit the ones I haven't heard lately.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:38 (three years ago)

more like Ach! Lame! Music

― a spectre is haunting your mom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:38 (three years ago)

NV - will you be here all week?

― sarahell, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:09 (three years ago)

only if people are ready to laugh

― a spectre is haunting your mom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:11 (three years ago)

I live to laugh

― sarahell, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:19 (three years ago)

Well for stuff mentioned in this topic that I don't even know at this point:
Miss Kittin, the datsuns, Shed Seven

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:51 (three years ago)

Roll Deep

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:54 (three years ago)

I know Sigur Ros and the Libertines, but they're kind of irrelevant now

― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:06 (three years ago)

I still stan for the Sigur Ros parentheses album.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:52 (three years ago)

Relevancy is ridiculous anyway. I just mean that the last album of their I heard about was Takk and they've released about 8 albums since then apparently.

― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:56 (three years ago)

am I correct in thinking the Beatles had a much bigger year this past year than they did 18 years ago?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:58 (three years ago)

it's their 70th Jubilee iirc

― a spectre is haunting your mom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:59 (three years ago)

The Wrens just came to mind - I can't even remember any of their songs anymore, but 2003's Meadowlands got a lot of love back then, didn't it? Man, the music culture of 2003 feels ancient now.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:03 (three years ago)

The Beatles might've had a bigger year in 2003 because of the complete Nagra tapes for the Get Back/Let It Be sessions leaking in January, then Let It Be...Naked being released in the fall (though it was widely criticized as revisionism, etc.)

I guess this year has Paul and Ringo touring with Paul's tour making a ton of dough.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:06 (three years ago)

Wrens were a punchline (especially around here) until recently, with the whole next album almost releasing/surprise solo release/break up drama putting them back into headlines.

― Evan, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:11 (three years ago)

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