TS: Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret v. His 'n' Hers

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It struck me today, for no good reason cos I was listening to the Misfits at the time, that Soft Cell's Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret and Pulp's His 'n' Hers are in effect the exact same album--really, Jarvis gets a lot of his vocal performance off of this album; listen to "Sex Dwarf" and then "Acrylic Afternoons" for example. It's like Soft Cell's is the big city version of the album, while Pulp's is the suburban boredom version of the album.

So, which one is better?

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)


I like Soft Cell much better. I mean Pulp is great, but Soft Cell are just one of the best things ever (imo etc). Yr theory has me intrigued enough to buy a copy of "His n Hers" & compare them.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Pulp - I'm a sucker for english suburban angst. I was actually just listening to His n' Hers this week. I will take Jarvis over Marc Almond anyday.

Carey (Carey), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the boys in my English class looks like a Williamsburgy version of Jarvis Cocker, everyone can decide for themselves if this is a compliment or not.

These are actually two of my favorite albums ever so I don't know why I haven't really put the two together at this point, but I put my MP3s from both on, mixed together, and it works very well. "Bedsitter" is particularly Pulp. Or Pulp is particularly "Bedsitter" since they came second. Whatever.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

his n hers by the countriest of miles. almond's stories are so backward. i mean, for fucks sake:

"i have my orinary wife, i have my ordinary life, i am so or-din-aa-reee!"

it's not possible to write these songs unless you like such people. unless you've got some idea why people live like that, or unless you live like that. jarvis has plenty of evidence, an is even critical of the impulse to escape drudgery cf. razzmatazz. plus almond never to my knwoledge had the slightness of imagery as "boxes of milk tray". too much an air of an enthusiastic, understanding yet short-of-the-point drama student. the sort who knows how to make sure the teacher knows he's been listening.

plus, surely, soft cell make the dryest music. no rhythm! it's impossible to dance to, there's no sloppiness, no looseness. which isn't a fault of the genre, there's the quiet wit in kraftwerk and allsorts.

matthew james (matthew james), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't choose, I won't choose. I love them both too much.

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It's definitely possible to dance to "Sex Dwarf", I've done it!

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't heard the SC album but Pulp's is probably my favourite of theirs - beautifully produced and it includes everything about them that makes them so brilliant.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and you can dance to "Seedy Films" too!! Proven by science that Soft Cell is danceable now.

jim, you should definitely download Non-Stop then. All of the songs mentioned thusfar and "Say Hello Wave Goodbye" are key.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't choose, I won't choose. I love them both too much.

What she said. *jangle*

Ally's spot on; I've thought similar for years. Distinct singers with lyrics actually worth paying attention to, a huge range of influences distilled into a particular approach and a sense of pure drama that is wondrous.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i dig them both for their enthusiastic love of sleaze, but in drug terms "non-stop erotic cabaret" is an ecstasy travelogue and "his n' hers" is pure cocaine comedown.

nf

notfazed (notfazed), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it's not possible to write these songs unless you like such people. unless you've got some idea why people live like that, or unless you live like that.

I guess this is why I term Soft Cell the big city version of Jarvis's suburban ennui. Marc Almond is kind of coming off all Bret Easton Ellis, isn't he, "We are so bored with our sex dwarf and our slutty girlfriends, entertain me! I have a chip on my shoulder and I am jaded and now I will sit here in my bedroom because the club and my chauffer are so empty!" Jarvis is saying the same thing, but the end result is they all go and stare at a dead body that washed up on the side of the reservoir and make sarcastic comments about the slutty girlfriend who is dating big city Marc Almond, who only likes her lipstick anyway.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This is why I think Ally roxx as a writer, point 234325.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

alright, it's possible to dance to soft cell, and i've attempted it. i've attempted it and witnessed it, but remain to be convinced it's possible to dance to soft cell without coming across as a dickhead.

but, that's not really too much of an issue. almond's lyrics are lumbering, full of dull imagery, & smug.

I guess this is why I term Soft Cell the big city version of Jarvis's suburban ennui. Marc Almond is kind of coming off all Bret Easton Ellis, isn't he, "We are so bored with our sex dwarf and our slutty girlfriends, entertain me! I have a chip on my shoulder and I am jaded and now I will sit here in my bedroom because the club and my chauffer are so empty!"

maybe, but where almond has to say, "i've got a chip on my shoulder" jarvis would wear a chip on his shoulder.

matthew james (matthew james), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

almond's lyrics are lumbering, full of dull imagery, & smug.

Hey, you're mean.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

...until he wrote "Common People" in which he discussed the chip on his shoulder for five minutes. I happen to love Pulp and actually agree that Jarvis is the superior wordsmith but he's hardly immune to stating the obvious or being smug. PS Common People is my favorite Pulp song because of this.

Ned: You just like it cos I actually wrote "We are so bored with our sex dwarf!" How can anyone be bored with a sex dwarf? If I had one, I'd tell him to go get me a beer, and he'd be like, no, and I'd be like, shut up sex dwarf and get me a goddamned Red Stripe and he'd be all having to go do it.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Sex dwarf, isn't it nice? Get me a drink and please use plenty of ice.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

you never know, maybe the lad'll be reading and start to buck his ideas up.

but jarvis was discussing the chip on his shoulder for a full five minutes! almond reduced it to five words.

matthew james (matthew james), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes brevity wins.

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes, yes.

matthew james (matthew james), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah but sometimes brevity is the key! Common People is the better song in this argument, though, so in this specific case I am merely playing the devil's advocate. My only point is that both of the lyricists can be almost insufferably smug.

The other key in the comparison, aka my night of stating the obvious, is that neither singer is really a good looking man. Jarvis being closer to being good looking, but they both obviously were not the types of boys who got lots of action in their teenage years, so their obsession with life's sexual underbelly is clearly an awful lot of making up for not getting blow jobs.

"Say Hello Wave Goodbye" = the breakup speech that kicks off the protagonist of "Razzmattazz"'s depression.

We are so bored of our sex dwarf!

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drd400/d463/d46342s8i0p.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

PS I didn't see Nicole's post before I wrote brevity, we are sharing ye olde brane.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave Ball vs. Candida Doyle = the keyboardist without whom either band would not be what it is (all the more obviously in Soft Cell's case but just as clear with Pulp).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

In Soft Cell's case, that'd be Marc Almond's solo career.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

*dances about annoyedly* That happens to be a FINE career.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

frankly i can argue this no further than that my lack of knowledge of soft cell is a direct consequence of them being such a fucking slog to listen to. but in its essence - almond seems to think he's better than his subjects, and jarvis thinks everyone's as bad as eveyone else. cf. the whole of 'this is hardcore', where he quietens all these 'you's' that rattle through all the early 90's pulp besides 'sheffield: sex city'. and what a magnifient tune that is! these subarban nightmares, they're all jarvis' friends. almond looks at these people from a bedsit window. some of those poeple agre genuinely happy. some of them are beautifully, 'coming up for air' boring.
i never get a sense of smug in jarvis, he seems too humble. i'd like to progress this thread onto 'the last night of sodom' and 'this is hardcore' but having never heard the former iwon't be able to take it too far.


and the grid are excellent.

matthew james (matthew james), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

it's been so long since I've listened to either album. I'm pissed that I can't participate in this. Though I guess I just did. anyhow, carry on...

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

almond seems to think he's better than his subjects

Good grief. If anything the thing I've gotten from him over the years is empathy and connection rather than superiority.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, I kind of see what he's saying though, the connection is different. It's not...I don't know, I'm trying to verbalise this and cannot, it's like Jarvis is far, far more self-hating than Marc Almond comes across.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

There's plenty of that as well -- This Last Night in Sodom, Untitled, Torment and Toreros and to an extent Vermin in Ermine all drip with it. After that it's more in flashes and sparks, granted, but it isn't completely lost.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

No, no - but Jarvis is a lot more consistent. Even his "show off" sex mode is just littered with the belief that it's not even worth him saying anything, because he ain't gettin' it anyway.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, ultimately is the question do we want someone who is 'consistent' throughout all their lyrical guises or do we want variety? Does that mean Jarvis is locked into an approach he's not to be let out of?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, obv.: compare album sales of His 'n' Hers/Different Class to We Love Life.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It already fell off pretty badly with This is Hardcore, though -- unless the argument is that the self-loathing there was too naked (if you will).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Really I'm not arguing with you, actually.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, neither am I. :-) I'm trying to puzzle out what the differences really are between the two, actually.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Jarvis looks like a boy in my English class, and Marc looks like Alan Cumming. That's that question sorted.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Hurrah! We now move on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Non-Stop Ecstatic Dancing is the worst CD cover ever.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd900/d923/d92373o7k77.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Ned, go up and look at that cover again, and then look at Primus. Can you really tell me that Primus's is more embarassing?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The Primus one is just ugly. The Soft Cell one just makes me think, "Ah yes, 1981."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess it answers "What type of dancing can anyone do to Soft Cell?" The answer: ridiculous camp arm movements.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

You have just described goth clubs of the past twenty years.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Well maybe if they'd put on some Vengaboys or Miss Kittin instead of Depeche Mode and Soft Cell, goths wouldn't be so ridiculous.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

No, but they might look more suave.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

All the goths I've seen dance (weekly at this goth night called The Dawning at this sushi bar in C'ville, VA) looked like they were doing the Teen Wolf dance minus the grrrrrr hand motions.

Carey (Carey), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It's funny because it's true.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The lyrics that Marc Almond wrote for Non Stop Erotic Cabaret were written not long after he took over lyric writing for the band from Dave Ball. In many ways he took on Dave Ball's subject matter and concerns (consumerism, suburbia etc. which can be found in Dave Ball written early Soft Cell songs such as Persuasion and Facility Girls) so the songs are quite distinct from the way that his song writing has developed. The strength of Marc Almond's lyric writing is in the area of personal experience. For me he charts territory which no other writer that I know of has gone.

Amarga (Amarga), Monday, 14 April 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)


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