Who's getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

related to which -- are Black Sabbath and Captain Beefheart in the Hall?

another glowing synth-pop omission i just notice -- no kraftwerk! for that omission alone and even ignoring their dissing the Zappa family, the HoF should be obliterated and turned into a parking lot!

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are eligible this year!

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Some quality picks.

Finally The Moody Blues made it in.

Radiohead snubbed and Bob Jovi inducted???
BOB JOVI???
Wtfuuuuuuuuuuck

Dick Dale wuz robbed.

Wire is a shoo-in next year

Come on, Bon Jovi has been eligible for a decade longer than Radiohead.

The rock hall finally has its New Jersey moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNsgOhIcqNQ

lol "Bob Jovi"

I mean I like The Cars fine but how I'm bewildered how they'd get in over Radiohead/The Cure/SP, etc.

They're one of the most-played rock bands on US and Canadian radio and have been eligible a lot longer than Radiohead or Smashing Pumpkins. Hall of Fame in recognizing fame shocker.

Also one of the best singles bands period.

Reminder that Blue Oyster Cult is not in the the hall and it's bullshit.

The Cars are a better band than Radiohead, for starters.

Reminder that Blue Oyster Cult is not in the the hall and it's bullshit.

Now that is an objection I can get behind.

i mean fucking a band as slight as GREEN DAY is in and BOC isn't it's ridiculous

also Radiohead should absolutely be in as well, there's so many b-list 60s artists that got in they more than deserve by that standard

I'm practically a stan for Radiohead post-The Bends but I'm not at all offended that they weren't admitted in the very first year they were eligible, and I genuinely think Bon Jovi and the Cars deserve it.

Bon Jovi is sort of like Yes (and Green Day) where they are going to (unfortunately) "stand for" a big genre (80s pop metal, prog and post-80s punk respectively) and then absolve them of having to induct any other bands from those genres

so when Bon Jovi gets in it's because their Springsteen-lite elements means they are more palatable to the hall than Def Leppard or any of the other huge bands of that era

Motorhead isn't in either, which is even more puzzling as it's probably the most quintessential 'rock n roll' band of the past 40 years.

they are another band that's going to suffer because the hall inducted Metallica so they feel like they "covered" a whole big swath of metal

basically because the hall is warped by this horrible jan wenner descended version of the "canon" every genre of rock that's not part of the rolling stone 60s/70s classic rock lineage is going to be viewed as some sort of token

Les Claypool: Bon Jovi was actually a big influence on Primus back in the day. Basically, the influence was that we wanted to make music that was the polar opposite of Bon Jovi.

listen i'm glad y'all grew up suckin on the tittie of the minutemen and mayhem bootleg cassettes and sun ra by age 14 for for a lot of kids in small rural towns that literally had to drive an hour to another town to go to a record store, this bullshit was all we had, and there's a generation of people who all the garish bullshit means a lot to, it does for me. and it was as big as any kind of rock music that ever existed, and i think there's a lot of great songs in the whole big spandex mess

YOU'RE ALL SO FUCKIN COOL AND HAVE EXCELLENT TASTE AND ALWAYS HAVE

burn down the rock n roll hall of fame

I think the trouble with having a HOF is that it needs to bow to so many different altars.

Fame, influence, popularity, belovedness, longevity, and critical acclaim are all assumed to be factors to varying degrees. One can argue that it's not called "Hall of People Who Deserve to be Famous." It's a hall of people who ARE famous.

On the other hand there is the corrective impulse: these acts have been ignored too long, acts like this have been ignored too long, people like this have been marginalized, these people suffered while others thrived, these people are skilled yet they have been sneered at, these people created the foundation that other acts stand upon, etc.

And there is the (related) balance impulse: you inducted Act A, so why not Acts B, C, D, etc.

So right now every discussion of who should be in the HOF takes on all these dimensions. It's both necessary (as a kind of karmic justice) and kind of boring (because it takes on an eat-your-vegetables cast).

So what mega selling rock acts have yet to get in?

Garth Brooks and Shania? Are Boston, Whitney or Alanis in? Bee Gees yet?

Country acts are pretty much left to the country music hall of fame - even Willie Nelson, a huge star with crossover appeal in the 70s and 80s, isn’t in the rock hall. Bee Gees have been in since the late 90s. The way things are going I can picture Boston getting in on the fan ballot in the next few years. Whitney may get in eventually, Alanis I can’t see happening.

So country acts can get into the rock hall, but not the opposite?

everyone complaining about bon jovi and tacitly approving dire straits is a cop or worse a boomer sympathizer

I do renounce them both, all their works and pomps

Yeah see this is the kind of thing you get into when you even countenance the idea of the HOF, and personally I refuse to be drawn.

If Kinks then why not Replacements; if Animals then why not Turtles, if REM then why not the Fall, etc.

Either admit every band ever? Admit it's just a hall of Wenner? No one can precisely locate the dividing line so take your pick and justify/defend as you see fit, but the conversation will never end because it's dangerously close to arbitrary.

Close to arbitrary?!

it’s exceedingly arbitrary

It exceeds arbitrary.

everyone complaining about bon jovi and tacitly approving dire straits is a cop or worse a boomer sympathizer

^^^this

What's wrong with Dire Straits?

You’re taking the piss right?

I've got to say the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction news for Bon Jovi kinda bugged me. As a Def Leppard fan, I put together a detailed "face-off" comparing the 2 bands to show which one is REALLY more "worthy" of the honor.

I hope you find it interesting...Feel free to share it if you agree!

"Bon Jovi, but not Def Leppard? For Shame Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!"
https://www.nostalgiclogic.com/bon-jovi-not-def-leppard-shame/

How many more threads are you going to post this on

https://pitchfork.com/news/radiohead-the-cure-janet-jackson-inducted-into-rock-hall-of-fame/

Someone finally recognized Radiohead!

We should have each other to tea huh?
We should have each other with cream
Then curl up by the fire
And sleep for awhile
It's the grooviest thing
It's the perfect dream...

Someone finally recognized Radiohead!

― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, December 13, 2018 2:48 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

About damn time! The Radio Head is a good rock 'n roll band, with evergreens like The Creep and My Bronze Lung.

lol at the Pitchfork blurb stressing Roxy Music (with Brian Eno) just to get Brian Eno's name in there, as if Roxy Music by itself is too much of a head scratcher.

While I suspect they will puss-out and attend, it would be great if Radiohead blew it off and instead they had an allstar band of like Adam Levine, Chris Martin, Ed Sheehan and Sam Smith pay tribute or something.

lol

Don't mention Chris Martin -- it only serves to remind us that Coldplay will one day be joining them.

Bryan Ferry singing Janet's "Come Back to Me" = dream of a lifetime fulfilled.

This is a really strong list of inductees - like, even as some random idiot millennial I'm at least a baseline level of impressed with every name on there, and a few of them I really love - but the stubborn fanboy in me still really wishes Todd Rundgren had gotten a spot. I'm not sure who I'd have the nerve to say shouldn't be on there, though (especially if I had to affirm my choice to a fan of that act). Def Leppard, maybe?

Maybe Stevie Nicks, going on an unchecked assumption that Fleetwood Mac are already inducted.

I was thinking the same thing, about this being a really strong “class” — both “critically” and in terms of “popularity,” at several different levels.

i'm not a fan of their music, but def leppard was the most popular band of a dominant genre (hair metal) for years. it's hard to argue they don't deserve to be in the rock hall, especially if the objectively inferior bon jovi is in already

Guns n Roses too.

Hysteria is definitely a landmark piece of work...insane album

First four albums all solid

it's hard to argue they don't deserve to be in the rock hall, especially if the objectively inferior bon jovi is in already

Literally the only argument in their favor IMO. "Well, we let this even shittier band in - guess we're stuck with 'em."

Eric Clapton is in three times

xp Funny how you cut out the first part of Voodoo Chili's argument!

I'm starting to think Wire isn't going to get in!!!

xp Funny how you cut out the first part of Voodoo Chili's argument!

Because "they were really popular!" doesn't mean anything to me.

Fine, but here are the Rock Hall's official criteria:

Performers
This category honors bands or solo artists which demonstrate musical excellence. Such a descriptor includes (but isn't limited to) influence on other performers or genres; length and depth of career and catalog; stylistic innovations; or superior technique and skills.

They also say, Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll.

Given those loosey-goosey standards, an argument can certainly be made for Def Leppard that goes beyond, "Well, we let in KISS and Bon Jovi..."!

i don't like hair metal, but it seems silly to me to have a rock hall and not include hair metal

i don't like hair metal, but it seems silly to me to have a rock hall and not include hair metal

Hair metal should absolutely be included, and I would 100% argue for the induction of Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Poison, W.A.S.P. and Junkyard (a band that hasn't got a chance in hell of getting in, but who were really quite good).

Being really popular does seem like a possibly relevant criterion for a hall of fame tbf.

Also wtf Ratt?

the studio techniques that led to hysteria sounding as massive as it does (still) are HOF worthy on their own

Yeah, I had the thought that Mutt Lange probably deserves to be in there.

Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman together

Point being I might actually watch the ceremony - on first broadcast!! - this year on the strength of the nominees.
Also I have nothing against Def Leppard, I was just thinking of who on that list I had the least personal passion for. Plus I've checked now and Fleetwood got in back in 1998 so Stevie Nicks is almost certainly the one I'd swap out for Todd anyway