Pebbles (not Nuggets)-- C or D?

pebbles vol 3 is essential. if yr going to get one get this. there are thousands of these 60s garage comps. if yr going to get one ,pebbles 3 is THEE one. its the acid one, most psych stuff.

Hey, are there 2 pebbles? Amazon is selling some DOUBLE CD volumes. Each volume has 2 discs... AND completely different ARTWORK and SONGS from MY PEBBLES!!!!

SO YES, I believe I've answered my own question!!! Who knows which Pebbles you are talking about?! I have one with a chick hanging herself with a psychedelic background and one with a dude with a bunch of knitting needles in his hat and a psychedelic background.

The ones on Amazon feature a race car and a chick on a bicylce, I think.

Can we talk about Nuggets, too? Please? Cause I can't find any other thread about it. I have and love the first box set (I had most of it on vinyl already, but it was nice to have the compendium) - but is the second box set any cop?

I was looking over the tracklisting at HMV, and it looks amazing- basically the British half of the era- but is it really worth splurging the £60 or whatever for it?

I may be wrong, but i think the cd versions are comps of the vinyl series, usually just 2 vols of vinyl to each cd with new artwork. since they are basically bootlegs anyway, there are probably a few variations out there.

pebbles 1 - 3 have minimum filler, mostly great stuff. quality slides after that.

Also pretty reliable (but more proto-punk fuzzed-out stompers, less psyche) are the "back from the grave" records on crypt.

A newer series that's really great (surprisingly good sound too) is "Teenage Shutdown". Each collection is thematic (folk-rock, sad songs, primitive, etc.) so you know what you're in for. I'd recommend the one called "Jump, Jive & Harmonize" - it's all high energy r&b- influenced garage.

Fritz, I compared the songs and none of 'em are the same, plus the ones on Amazon actually have about 50 songs. Mine have about 22 each. Bummer. Now nobody knows what I'm talkin' about. Mine sound more like the Back from the Grave series, more stompy, weird keyboards sometimes. Kinda like tripped out sloppy punk.

Kate, talk about Nuggets if you want. I don't like 'em that much and they are kind of expensive. They got about 5 or 6 volumes of Nuggets now! Jeez!

what's the tracklisting (first few songs) on the vol. 1 you have?

Those CD versions differ completely from Pebbles' original sries. If you buy PEBBLES (re-release) in vinyl you'll get those original compilation songs.

They have 5 or 6 of the CD-compilation box sets of ALL Nuggets? Only two of them have been imported to the UK, then. I know they have shedloads of the vinyl ones, I have several of them. It's weird to hear them on CD because the original vinyl ones were so sped up to get more songs on the records.

the pebbles on amazon ("the essential pebbles") is a greatest hits of the vinyl series with 3-4 songs from each volume. the one you have is probably the cd version of the original series, as I described above.

as kate points out, there are several different nuggets too.

1.) The original 2-record set Nuggets compiled by Lenny Kaye in the early 70's.

2) The Rhino records series released in the'80's (all of the original Nuggets plus lots more, spread over 10 or so volumes)

3) Nuggets Box Set vol 1. - american garage and psych (composed mostly of songs already collected on the rhino series, plus some more)

4) Nuggets Box set 2 - British Empire & Beyond (can't wait to hear it)

Fritz, you're right about the Amazon comps. Thanks! How many volumes of Pebbles were there? Do ya know? This guy I work with has a bunch on 45s and stuff he said. When I saw them on CD I was happy, but now I want more of them!

http://www.bomp.com/Pebbles.html will give you all the answers. Apparently, there were 28 (!) volumes in the original series.

The Rhino vol 2 Nuggets set is OK. Pretty heavy on the light-sounding psych stuff from Britain, which I don't really go for much myself. The other limitation of it is that, while there is plenty of Dutch, Swedish, South American and even Japanese stuff on it, they decided to make it English language only. So there's none of the fine Quebecois garage rock from the 60s there, and not much of the Japanese Group Sounds music, either. Still, an enjoyable, and fairly- priced comp.

A couple minor additions to Fritz's _Nuggets_ listing --

There were twelve vinyl _Nuggets_ LPs released in the '80s.

Rhino also put out three individual _Nuggets_ CDs ca. 1990 -- they tried to mix in some poppier tracks like the Monkees' singles which didn't really fit well with the psych/garage concept, and those CDs have been pretty well been rendered redundant by the first _Nuggets_ box anyway.

I don't know the CD versions but the original "Pebbles" plastic is a fucking mess. i mean mostly good but all mastered off original singles & shit , lotsa pops, wowing,sticks & jumps...the 1st few volumes are all good stuff but it started to get kind of diluted after #3...but the series made a comeback after about #10 & there's fantastic stuff on quite late volumes. Bomp was selling all the vinyl "pebbles" as sale items in their mail-order catalogue a few years ago so there's still tons of them around ... Yeah this is not very useful info now that better-mastered & rationalised CD collections exist but i'm just sayin', the vinyl's still around, you might find it cheap(ish) & don't be put off by like, "oh that's vol. 22" or something, you know.
Best '60s punk series from a pure punk (i.e. no pop, no psych) = "Back From The Grave" series.< br>The Rhino "Nuggets" were a fuckin abortion of the original concept (you *really need* those Steppenwolf & Strawberry Alarm Clock tracks) but they turn up cheap now & they are a useful repository of sometracks that aren't on anything cool. (you know, like if you haven't got "Hits of the Vietnam War vol 22".
Numerological viewpoint - vol. #7 of *any* series is always good.

(= with "B.F.T.G." FOR "pure" '60S Punk is anything else on or affiliated with CRYPT, Tim Warren is *the man* 'sfar as the "rock all sucked after 1966" aesthetic goes)
(but if psych. is what you *want*, yeah "Pebbles vol. 3" is IMPORTANT [portrayal of garage-level loser bands "psyching out" - a HILARIOUS subgenre] but full blown punk-level psychedelica is represented better on stuff like "Beyond the Calico Wall" & ANYTHING on the Arf!Arf! label)

(& further re: Rhino's '80s NUGGETS - how long would it've been before a Doobie Brothers track turned up on 1 of those things? The CD version of NUGGETS is a fucking godsend not just 'cause it's such a amazing pkg. in itself [it is tho] but for sparing us from more of that series. It was GOING TOO FAR.)

...also some of the original vinyl "Pebbles" had classic liner notes, one had this parody of Richard Meltzer & 2 volumes had this 2-part parody of "The Boy Looked At Johnny". these were as influential on me as he actual music (& the prototypes that were being parodied)("Boy looked at J." was still a "topical" subj. of parody then tho'.....like the bk itself, today it might not make much sense)

ANYTHING on the Arf!Arf! label - qualify that slightly, any COMPILATIONS OF PSYCHEDELIC MUSIC on the Arf!Arf! label.

I got the Nuggets 2 box set the other day - it's great, no astonising surprises, just good solid stuff by the Creation / the Fleur de Lys etc. which everyone has probably heard before. A few very fey "come with me / I know you'd like to see / a purple alligator swimming in a cup of tea" moments by little lord fauntleroy soundalikes which are very, very funny.

also "from a pure punk" = obviously "from a pure punk POINT OF VIEW", & the word "he" a couple of posts back was meant t'be "the", & uh yeah i'm just going for the most posts in a row prize now...

hey! get outta my way! A few very fey "come with me / I know you'd like to see / a purple alligator swimming in a cup of tea" moments by little lord fauntleroy soundalikes which are very, very funny. - yeah there's why american psych is better than brit RIGHT THERE...

just remembered, i have pebbles no. 17 on vinyl too. the thing about the quality sliding is very true, there's nothing worth borthering about on this one

anyone know anything about the race marbles? i bought a race marbles compilation once, but it was a different race marbles from the like a dribbling fram race marbles. two race marbles from the sixties? wtf???

yeah there's why american psych is better than brit RIGHT THERE...

hmmm. as long as you're a big, big, BIG fan of Louie Louie this holds true.

Actually I don't want to get into an argument over this. I love both.

Best garage punk band names: "First Crow to the Moon", inspired (american) performers of "Spend Your Life" on Psychedelic Unknowns vol. 5

oops, I mean vol. 2

just reading thru google that "First Crow to the moon" was in fact a record company missprint: the band were originally called "first crew to the moon" were forced to change to the infinitely better "crow" afterwards. Heh heh.

hmmm. as long as you're a big, big, BIG fan of Louie Louie this holds true.
yeah well i yam obviously. (& agree w/ you really re: both are good) Hey but "Louie Louie" type rock *isn't * what I mean by "psych", 'nfact hardcore fans of "Louie Louie" type rock (i.e. people who ONLY like that kind of stuff) (a viewpoint i am not without sympathy for) HATE psychedelic music. The Seeds are good tho because they are both super-minimalist AND psychodelphic. WORSHIP SKY SAXON LIKE A GREEK GOD.

Best '60s garage band name (never heard them) - THE NATION ROCKING SHADOWS. I'd consider just making up that name to be enough to admit them to Valhalla, whoever the fuck they were.

No, sorry, Alasdair, I'm with Duane on this. When American garage bands went psychedelic (with a very few exceptions) they almost invariably turned into hippie-dippie free lovee crap that went sour and turned all Altamont.

When British bands went psychedelic, they took all their cultural baggage with them, and turned into elves and fairys and went much, much weirder, writing songs about garden allottments and shoemaking elves and alligators floating in a pot of tea.

That's why the ultimate flowering of 60s acid culture in the States was the Grateful Dead and the mindless tie-dye hoardes. The ultimate flowering of flower power culture (har har) in the UK was glam rock, as evidenced by T.Rex and David Bowie.

Great names: I like the apocalyptic, ominous note of "THE REMAINING FEW", who, because of flawed sleevenotes, I wrongly thought played an epic of adolescent urban paranoia & corruscating, panicky guitars called "The City Jungle". Sadly their song was far less interesting and the band responsible for TCJ had the pedestrian name "Beautiful Daze".

I'm with Duane on this. When American garage bands went psychedelic (with a very few exceptions) they almost invariably turned into hippie-dippie free lovee crap that went sour and turned all Altamont.
hey that's not w/ me! American garage-bands- gone-psych included stuff like all that Pebbles vol. 3 or "It's-a- Happening" by the Magic Mushrooms! i.e. THE GUNTZ. And songs about elves & cups of tea make me wanna be a straight edge skinhead!
Best hreal "hippy" psych as everyone kno comes from South America or Japan.

my favourite garage-gone-psych moment is the Calico Wall's terrifying "I'm a living sickness", perched queasily between both genres, and containing a glittering, migraine-inducing tremelo guitar solo of TWO NOTES!

It chews up and spits out Mark Bolan, Elves, pots of tea and haight ashbury!

The only thing I hate worse than hippie in my psych is punk in my garage. Sigh.

??? Examples of garage without punk = ??

yeah what the fuh? in this context garage MEANS punk.

Duane, tell me more about hippy psych from South America and Japan. I'm familiar with some Brazilian stuff, of course, and I've heard a little of stuff from elsewhere, but I'd like to know what the highlights are. I've heard (of) some psych from Peru, for example, but the things I saw in the store were expensive CD reissues.

i haven't even got hardly any of those rec's myself but a bunch of people i know have played me lotsa late '60s/early '70s stuff from both those parts of the world & it just seems like tons of it is really good. there must be lotsa people on this board that know the stuff better'n I & could give more specific recommendations?
But - Aguaturbia!

BTW