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Inspired by the thread "Spiritualized and Pachelbel (sic) and theft..." thread. I'm wondering whether the repeated usage of this tune in pop makes it officially the best pop chord sequence ever. I want Geir type analysis. Take away performance and imagination, and melodies even, reduce stuff to chords, and what is still good? I remember a Pet Shop Boys interview where they mentioned a chord sequence that was guaranteed to produce pop hits (they'd used it several times, Stock Aitken Waterman used it a lot, it's in the chorus of New Order's "round and round" and Pulp's "Razzmattaz"). I can't remember what it is though. What are the best chords?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I-IV-V perhaps? That's a classic.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"Under My Thumb" has a really terrific chord progression. Shame about the lyrics, though.

Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I - V - VI (min) -IV

I remember back in the early/mid-90s when I'd try to figure out pop songs on the piano. This chord progression worked for Green Day ("When I Come Around"), Red Hot Chili Peppers ("Soul to Squeeze"), Elvis Costello ("Thirteen Steps Lead Down"), Hole ("Miss World"), and a couple others. I also think I've heard it used in contemporary pop-punk songs like Blink-182.

The problem with progressions like that, though, is that they sound very satisfying but hardly ever surprising. So, at least as far as I'm concerned, I'm not convinced they always "work."

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Pachelbel's Canon is:
I V vi I6 IV I IV V

(I6 = I with the third as bass)

A chord progression I've seen pop everywhere, from 50s rock to 00s pop is the piano thing from "Big": I vi IV V back to I.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Others include (in C...sorry I play piano):

C - BFlat C - BFlat (eg On Broadway, On Only Have Eyes, Move Over Darling etc.)

C - EFlat Minor - F (eg Green Onions etc. etc.)

C - AFlat (not the best, but oddly found in EVERY James bond theme)

Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Generally, using a chord sequences that has been used a lot is a bad idea.

And using an ostinato bass sequence is also a bad idea.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The I - ii progression is common too.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

For quite a bit I thought we were talking about Bach's Aire on G String (is that right?). It's been used so many times and it is a beautiful sequence.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Blink-182 uses NOTHING but that chord progression.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Pachelbel's "Canon" is a more traditionally used one.

Actually, I don't think the "Air" sequence has been used a lot (except in "Everything's Gonna Be Alright"), but similar sequences have been used a lot.

Anyway, basing a song upon a chord sequence being repeated all the way through is a bad idea. A good song has contrasting verses, bridges and choruses.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Generally, using a chord sequences that has been used a lot is a bad idea.

Could you please give us an example of a chord sequence that hasn't been used a lot? This is pop music, after all-- everything's been done before.

In my own songwriting I've found that I enjoy throwing in I - VI (min) and VI (min) - I a lot.

Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

145 had a band named after it

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Could you please give us an example of a chord sequence that hasn't been used a lot?

Most of them. Remember, you only need to change a chord or two for it to sound different.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, basing a song upon a chord sequence being repeated all the way through is a bad idea. A good song has contrasting verses, bridges and choruses.

It may be a bad idea from a technical perspective, but I'm always impressed when a band is able to pull it off by switching up arrangements and melodies to keep things interesting. (And by "pull it off", I mean I like the song despite the fact that it only has one progression.)

Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Forget the V: The movement from the I chord to the IV chord is the red-hot center of western music. Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers to thread.

Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Brian Wilson was pretty ingenious; he broke the rules but just a little. I was just learning how to play "Honkin' Down the Highway" and "Solar System" from my favorite album "Love You."

"Honkin' " is in E and he uses the minor second and the relative minor of E, C minor, quite well; and he does a cool thing by throwing in a G chord at the end of the B part so as to provide a little tension as the D natural creeps up to the D sharp (the third of B, the V chord). Kind of comic and also a little desperate, befitting the song. Also some nice touches like putting the third into the bass (G sharp/E) and so forth. "Solar" uses some beautiful major seventh chords and has a key change.

The Beatles liked to use a kinda strange progression, C-G-A, it's all over "Abbey Road."

The C-A flat mentioned above is an example of an augmented scale, which sounds mysterioso. "Green Onions" is a minor blues, basically.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc = OTM!!!

also i-VI-III-VII

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

And the best chord progression evah = B major-E major-G major (from Smashing Pumpkins' "Soma")

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

screw progression. what is the best CHord?!! EVA?

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Am

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Best chord ever is a tie between Cmaj7 and F#7.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Bmin

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I - V - VI had an ALBUM named after it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

So did A - B - A - C - A - B.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

haha I II II I had a group named after it too!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm too scared by yer standard open chords these days to use any of them. my fave chord is probably Qm9

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't want to listen single simple chord progression as good ones, because repetition is wrong anyway.

Thus, the perfect chord progression would be this one - from the start of the middle-8 until the end of the chorus on "The Riddle":

C / F / Bb / C / D7 / G / F / E / Am / G / C / D / Bb / Eb / Cm / Dm / Eb / F / G / F / Bb / C / G / F / Eb / Bb / G / F / Bb / C / G / F / Eb / Bb / C / Dm / Eb / F / G / Cm / Dm / Eb / F / G

Yes, a good chord progression is that long and that complex!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Charukesi scale!

Bflat-C-D-Eflat-F-Gflat-Aflat-Bflat

"Memory Gongs" - The Moon and the Melodies (A.K.A. Harold Budd's "Flower Knife Shadows" on Lovely Thunder)

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, I don't know the names of its chords, but the B-52s' "52 Girls" is the most amazing, rockingest thing in my life right now.

Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

screw progression. what is the best CHord?!! EVA?

E7#9 BITCH!!! funkiest chord evah

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Supergrass is brilliant at chord progressions:

The "Late In The Day" verse:

Dmaj7 Fmaj7
It's late in the day
Am
I'm thinking of you
A7sus4,6 F
Things that you say
Bb F Bb F D A
So long, so long for me


And "G-Song":
Gm Eb
As I walk into the night
F Cm Bb
I don't feel that my feet have touched the ground
Gm Eb
And I want to carry on
F Cm Bb
But I can't see anyone who'd take the time

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

At band practice last night, someone wanted to end the bridge of our new song on a Eb -dominant-7th. Which completely repelled me in its bluesiness. When asked why I didn't like it, I could only muster, "Don't. Like. Dominant. 7ths." But this seemed odd to some: "That's like saying you don't like Fs." But is it so odd? I would've been perfectly happy with a regular Eb, and pleased as punch with a major-7th. (A lot of my favorite music uses major 7th chords.) Am I totally insane?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"this whole world" by the beach boys is a pretty interesting chord progression, it changes key for each line in the verse.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I was gonna start a thread called "Are Jazz Chords Still Interesting?" but instead I'll just raise the question here.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes! Yes! Yes!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

If they don't make you say "hey, jazz chords."

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

C / F / Bb / C / D7 / G / F / E / Am / G / C / D / Bb / Eb / Cm / Dm / Eb / F / G / F / Bb / C / G / F / Eb / Bb / G / F / Bb / C / G / F / Eb / Bb / C / Dm / Eb / F / G / Cm / Dm / Eb / F / G

I fell asleep halfway through reading this. No joke. Your 'perfect' chord progression is stoopid and boring and reretarded and not even challenging at all and monkeys have fur but humans don't have much so obviously chord progression played on banjo will always be far superior to those played on guitar, simply because you're wrong.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

but nick I think that's only 2 measures at 162 bpm.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Distorted "jazz chords" sound really interesting
(see Cave In).

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 29 May 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Gotta agree with Nickalicious here; how is that chord progression "challenging" or "complicated"? It's all basic fifths and fouths with stepwise motion thrown in for color.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 May 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
OK- the best chordof all time is the diminished chord.
It's interesting, can be used anywhere to lead to anything, and it's totally symmetrical.....
So far as progressions are concerned, my vote is for Miles Davis' Tune Up, which changed keys every four bars...

Tabitha Elkins
http://www.cdbaby.com/tabitha

Tabitha Elkins, Saturday, 14 August 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you still hate dominant 7th chords, jaymc? And does the blues always repulse you or was it just that particular progression in that context?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 14 August 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with jaymc on the general dislike of dom 7ths. If a III7 leads to a VIm, or if it's merely implied by the rest of the arrangement (as in a lot of 60's pop), that's cool, but just some big guitar chord with a dominant seventh in it tends to sound retarded.

Major 6ths don't get enough love.

Sansai, Saturday, 14 August 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I like bands that tend to write music based around the whole tone scale.
Debussy used it occasionally, it can be pretty great when utilised by rock bands. Step up Gentle Giant, Cardiacs, Stars In Battledress.

mzui, Saturday, 14 August 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Major 6ths don't get enough love.

Do you like the maj6maj7? I lurve it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

myself, I can't get over maj7s.

Also, this chord, whose name I forget.

E--3
B--3
G--0
D--2
A--3
E--x

It's the opening chord in Blur's 'She's So High', and I love it.

I've got a tacky habit of always, ALWAYS hammering on a sus4 to any major chord. D-Dsus4-D, E-Esus4-E, sometimes even going A-Asus4-A-Asus2-A when I should just stick with an A. I think it's because I learned to play guitar at 12 partially though Shawn Colvin songbooks, and she used that constantly. It's become such a crutch; I guess it's my own 'style' now, christ.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 15 August 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, this chord, whose name I forget

(C9)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Cadd9 -- there's no seventh.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

isn't that the way half the guitarists in the world play a plain old C, or at least what they think is close enough to a plain old C?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 15 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what you mean, fcc. It's still a C chord. The one extra note gives it a different tonal quality, but it can still be used as a substitute for a plain ol' C major chord with no fuss.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 15 August 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i was just saying that particular chord voicing is extremely common, that's all.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 15 August 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Cadd9 -- there's no seventh

Good point, yeah. (And, yes, it is very common.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 15 August 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Cadd9; I like it.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 15 August 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
the flat 9th is way hipper, especially a minor flat nine.For instance, with a dminor flat nine, you have two leading tomes, one from above, (the E flat leading down to D) and one from below (the C sharp, which is part of the harmonic minor scale). You can really get a wild solo over the flat nine.

Tabitha Elkins, Monday, 2 January 2006 07:55 (twenty years ago)


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