Soloing with both hands on one's organ...

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Juvenile thread title, but for the genre I'm about to mention I think it's perfectly appropriate! What ever happened to heavy metal organ players? Conventional wisdom re HM lineage refers to the Cream>Sab, Yardbirds>Zep, or MC5>Kiss models, but what about the spawn of Vanilla Fudge - Purple, Argent, Heep, BOC, GFR, and other Hammond abusers? Why did people stop using the organ(even Steve Harris of Iron Maiden claimed that recreating Purple was his initial goal, but they opted for the 2-guitarist model), and what are the best (i.e. most flatulent) examples of extended handjobs, so to speak?

tarden, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Sorry, I just realized "flatulent handjob" is not only a mixed metaphor, but a somewhat unpleasant image...

tarden, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

heavy metal keyboard players didn't really disappear until fairly recently, they just start using synthesizers and sequencers instead of hammond organs.

whilst not necessarily heavy metal, alan hawkshaw provides a good example. he was probably the best hammond organ player from the late sixties / early seventies, mostly as an uncredited session musician, but by the mid seventies he was noodling with moogs, and by the mid eighties was making dreadfully dull sequenced music.

there was always the feeling that heavy metal bands without keyboards were *more* metal - iron maiden versus europe, black sabbath versus uriah heep, etc. with this being the case, heavy metal keyboards probably fell victim to the wholesale rejection of the eighties pretty boy bands which has defined much of heavy metal since.

kevan cooke, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Noodling with moogs" = moogling, right ?

Patrick, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

aye, you can't beat a good moogle.

kevan, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I laugh when I see that idiot Moby bashing his keyboard so it plays a sample. Also when I saw him in Remy Zero once opening for Blur.

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

P.S. My freind tell s me its pronounced Moog like "mode" o sound, not Moog like "food" o sound. Too bad!

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

steppenwolf - popularized the term heavy metal, major hammond abusers

ultimate organ onanism = in a gadda da vida - iron butterfly, of course.

as per lineage, I'd say it goes further back than the late sixties/early seventies bands you mention to the organ-heavy garage bands, more like Animals>? & The Mysterians>Music Machine>etc.

fritz, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

My friend Matt has got a metal fusion organ trio. check it on out

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"there was always the feeling that heavy metal bands without keyboards were *more* metal": excsue me, can you even say JOHN LORD?

iron maiden = kenny g of metal

mark s, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

he *did* say jon lord. the q. is WHY the organ died out as a heavy metal instrument by the late '70s. my guess is because HM * itself* died out in the late '70s & had to be reinvented according to some vaguely "post-punk" model that didn't allow for such a dinosaur instrument. there's something about the sound of the heavy metal/prog organ that just says I AM A FUCKING DINOSAUR & HAVE NO PLACE IN THE SAME WORLD AS YOU. Visual analog of "that" organ sound = the cover of "Very 'Eavy, Very 'Umble". It COULDN'T HAPPEN now.

duane, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

What about this snarling beast? check: "I Love Angus Young" and "War Pigs"

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Darediablo are NOT heavy metal. More like "jazz" groups a la Medeski, Martin, & Wood, if anything, but 95 bazillion times less wanky. (Wow, that is NOT a flattering description.)

David Raposa, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

It's a fair cop guv. But they do try. My point's that it DOES happen now. It's just different.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

best heavy keyboard solos? well, there was this german band called 69 (yes, really; and they're not, of course, the only band to adopt that name), whose line up was *only* keyboards and drums, and they were indeed very 'eavy and very immodest, and could no way have happened after about '72 at the latest. the record i've heard is sort of like the silver apples plays "vincebus eruptum". they deserve this honorable mention, at least.

jon, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I've been playing organ through wah pedals, distortion, overdrive, envelope filters, vibrato pedals, delays for about 10 years now, and the only recent inspiration I've found is Bernie Worrell. He can't keep his shit together to do a worthwhile solo project, really, but on at least one occasion (Praxis, "Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)") he's been challenged by people like Buckethead to do something new.

The B3 on that album references the dirtified power chords of Jon Lord, sure, but there's also something new there. Bleak and cold, confusing, raunchy, funky. I don't know anything that sounds like it from the last twenty years.

Is it heavy? Sure. Is it metal? Academic. First, define "heavy metal". Modular conception of riffs repeated over time. Resolution into power chords, less of a concern with harmonic sophistication (one difference between HM and prog).

I don't think that the 80s redefinition of HM precluded the organ. I do think that when you play organ it's hard to keep your head out of your ass.

Matt (clever suffix here), Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

three years pass...
more riffy organ rock please! specific songs appreciated! urgent urgent thank you

jones (actual), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

"Pussy Footin' The Duke" by Comets on Fire off their latest. It SMOKES CARTONS.

Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

mr. lee michaels - not metal, but riffy organ rock

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
The fucking major leagues.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

hey, if you're gonna bring Lowreys in, then:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:9TzV2DA9Jl4J:theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/GarthWails75_tag.jpg

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link


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