The more I read this board...

just wondering. i'm fairly out of step with the tastes of a lot of my friends and online acquaintances, including here, but i don't really let that get me down. i like what i like and make no apologies for it.

And why is that?

IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT THAT YOU LIKE MUSIC THAT COMPLETELY FUCKING SUCKS!

I think you worry about music and music journalism too much. I mean it is just your record collection, and in reality, nobody really gives a shit about the weird records you listen to in your bedroom.

I remember when I was doing my radio show and I was fanatical (fascist) about electronic music. I was so wrapped up in it for all the wrong reasons that I had to completely abandon it and any scene cred I had accumulated with it. I gave up on Detroit Techno and started listening to old rockabilly and old rock and roll. I did that for awhile and they I just started listening to whatever seemed like fun. Now I am all over the map listening to all kinds of good stuff and really enjoying it. This is music, it should be fun, just relax.

If you are getting so worked up over perhaps you just just take up golf or something. Music is not the center of the universe.

I am sure a lot of people think I am completely out in left field most of the time, but I never really stir up the hatred that he does. I don't think he is evil, he is just magnificently wrong a large portion of the time.

I personally think the way music is discussed here has occasionally taken turns towards being not just divisive, but condescending. Who gives a fuck if indie doesn't sound enough like hip-hop? I don't, because I fucking listen to both of them depending on what I am in the mood for.

Mike, I stick around because occasionally people stop acting like choads and say reasonable, even nice things about bands I have not heard of, become curious about, listen to and grow to love. Then he beats me up I fall down the stairs.

I'm much too absent around here because 85% of the threads are ether about things I know little to nothing about or are filled with the sort of content that makes me want to throw things of the heavy variety against other things of the easily-breakable variety. Sometimes vice-versa.

Also, s.s. and j.h. and I guess e.p. can't post a five messages without throwing some stupid aside slamming some band I like. The problem is I have no idea to respond. I mean, "honor the fire you stupid heathen" is already someone else's schtick.

Expanding my tastes is what I've been trying to do for the last year or so but it's kind of intimidating. Especially here.

Mike, I stick around because occasionally people stop acting like choads and say reasonable, even nice things about bands I have not heard of, become curious about, listen to and grow to love. Then he beats me up I fall down the stairs.

I'm much too absent around here because 85% of the threads are ether about things I know little to nothing about or are filled with the sort of content that makes me want to throw things of the heavy variety against other things of the easily-breakable variety. Sometimes vice-versa.

Also, s.s. and j.h. and I guess e.p. can't post a five messages without throwing some stupid aside slamming some band I like. The problem is I have no idea to respond. I mean, "honor the fire you stupid heathen" is already someone else's schtick.

Expanding my tastes is what I've been trying to do for the last year or so but it's kind of intimidating. Especially here.

I might have emotional problems or something. And the pisser is I can't stand Sunny Day Real Estate.

i try to not read ilm very much because i enjoy music more if i don't. but i'm glad that (most) other people have the opposite experience

who cares what these yahoos think of the music you like? buck up young soldier!

getting a job? falling in love? moving to hawaii? sure. but having indie tastes (which you're really not all that guilty of) = The Reason to stay.

Pizzicato Five rule.

I also have the idea (possibly false) that "obscure/anti-canon" holds more worth than "familiar", which might be tied into that "rockism" bugaboo (which from nearly day one I was tagged the "Acceptable Face Of..." which here seems like being the Acceptable Face of Rap-Hate or something).

Jess, eat my fuck.

oh now, see, you're mean so i < goodnaturedribbing> reopen the tag

you simp

(it's cos he has emo glasses)

what i don't get about nate - if i can be permitted to write about him as if he wasn't reading for a minute - is that, in my eyes, he never comes off as "bad" as he seems to think he does. i mean, he tosses just as many clever barbs as anyone else (anyway attempting to be "witty" is the number one blunder on ilx) (after rhythm-hating), and yes, knows things about japanese wrestlers and cars with funny doors that flip up.

Buckle up little man. There's a whole nother world out there, if you believe. There's always room for music in the world of magic, Nate.

But is that really the problem? Geir has very different views from the rest of ilm, but he always states his point of view in a very respectful way. I just don't see why other people not being able to accept his views without endlessing trying to argue with him should lead to him being banned.

a civic would be a step up, wouldn't it?

i hate that guy too. he's a johnny-one-note if you ask me."blah,blah,bananarama,blah,blah,look at me aren't i funny?"I mean can he even MAKE a point without resorting to some cheap one-liner or stupid reference to something that has NO relevance to whatever he's talking about? those chuck eddy-wannabes who think that their record collections make them so fascinating are the pits.

Jess: er. "They're gonna die in that Samurai jeep of theirs" (Joel on MST3K's showing of Master Ninja I)?

Wow, I've been doing this "Hello ILM, I'm Nate and I'm sure you all think my taste is lame" routine for a while now.

(i miss my mst3k tapes.)

Kenan get bent or I'll tell everyone about how you like Motown more than the Beatles and you'll get an ice-whupping from Geir

Nate: yr great. Get back to your top 100 list though, dammit. Inquiring minds wanna know. And pleeeeeeeze stop fucking apologizing for liking Loverboy and El-P, because every time you do you give comfort and aid to your enemies. Be proud and shit of what you love and don't spend all yr damm time on this earth trying to justify it Better and More Funny and More Technically than anyone else.

Yeah easy for me to say considering I started the whole 'hey nu-ILM we gettin' dissed let's be nihilists' thread that went WAY the fuck off. But as Akrobatik sez: "I'm a hypocrite / Just like you." And yeah, Nate, you'll like his record, and trife'll hate it, and you'll fight, and we'll all watch. But maybe don't get so mad about it this time, because you'll be right. Akro gots more flow than M.C. Menses.

There's *never* a need to apologise for loving whatever music you love, that goes without saying. But I suppose that, as a music critic, you feel the need to explain if not justify your preferences, which is great- but it doesn't make them anything more than preferences. Which is to say that the fella who says that "I hate The White Stripes because they are symptomatic of Indie's closed-minded, regressive attitude towards modern music blah blah blah" isn't really any more "right" than you are when you say "I like The White Stripes because I love their riffs".

Personaly, what I want to get out of music reviews- and what I strive for in my own, and yes, I consider ILM to be music "reviews" in its own way, too- is new approaches, new ways to look at a piece of music. Since you love music, and since you're a good writer, I'm sure that you can provide plenty of that- enough, perhaps, for even the most militant of indie/undie hatas to see some sort of worth in El-P or The White Stripes or whomever.

Daniel is OTM about that. I really like those threads, and I'm pretty effin' indie. I mean, my favorite album last year was Interpol, for chrissakes. I'm constantly embarrassed at how little music I own period, and how most of it is like Pavement/Sonic Youth/Stereolab, etc. etc. But I like jawing about sociology and music history, so that's what I get out of it.

Heh, that wasn't meant as an insult or anything! I agree that parts one and two are endlessly fascinating (part three less so...)

hell, haven't we had the "a lot of the haters are really just closet lovers" discussion? (see indie guilt...)

rock your gut!
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Over and over again
I try to tell myself that we
Could never be more than friends
And all the while inside
I knew it was real
The way you make me feel

Lying here next to you
Time just seems to fly
Needing you more and more
Let's give love a try

Ohhhh Whoa
Sweeter than sweeter love grows
And heaven's there for those
Who fool the tricks of time
With the hearts in love they find
True love
In a special way

The closer I get to you
The more you make me see
By giving me all you've got
Your love has captured me

Over and over again
I try to tell myself that we
Could never be more than friends
And all the while inside
I knew it was real
The way you make me feel

The closer I get to you
The more you make me see
By giving you all I've got
Your love has captured me

The closer I get to you
A feeling comes over me (me too)
Pulling closer sweet as the gravity