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you wouldnt think a depressingly incestuous and tiny 'scene' could produce the exact sort of bitterly misogynistic assholes who brood on the internet obsessively rating photos of girls with their tits hanging out...but it has!! yeah youre smarter than everyone else because you like shitty unpopular music and maxim-style betty page brunettes with horn-rims who 'play guitar'

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

this is either the third or fourth thread about this groundbreaking event in music history

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Third.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

well since greil marcus banned us from corporate midriffs what's a boy to do?

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

oh but i just want normal looking girls in porn!! you know, the kind you see on the street every day!! normal girls!! but on a piece of paper, and naked, yo that way i can treat women like objects without being, you know, a mindless top 40 consumer

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

also instead of my friends i would like there to be more pictures of 'normal people' in magazines who remind me of my friends but dont require any emotional commitment, playboy can you get on this??

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe they just wanna fantasize about girlz they have a chance of getting.

(sorry)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

not too normal though. a bit of silicones ok.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

blah blah blah. devils advocate can eat my fuc

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yes thats the point of 'fantasizing' good job indie fans!!

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

ever thought of putting all that energy to worthwhile use?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

dont you have an ile picture thread to go creep on

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

you must have mistaken me for someone else

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

its easy when theres dozens of guys crowding one blurry jpg w/ cleavage and a vision problem, makeoutclub culture breaks to music crits, its a COOKBOOK!!

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

trife, with all due respect, what bug crawled up your ass, today?

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is it necessarily 'misogynistic' discussing the attractiveness of female musicians? Serious question.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

db i can see from your sloppy haircut and the fact you are female you would make a good mother for my seeds, perhaps my awkward internet flirting will trick you into sexing me?? a/s/l???????????

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean like this?

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, ok nevermind. wait up, sugar dick.

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

remember that any time a girl is brought into your view she is there for your sexual pleasure!!! on ilx women (those who post and those who dont) are evaluated on the basis of facial symmatry and romantic acceptability, either as an additional value to their 'worth' or as their sole value

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

st, either a) gimme some of what you're drinkin, or b) do something more productive like attend to bubba sparxx's thursday night rimming open night, k?

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, you're SO MUCH MORE CAPABLE of better slams on ILM.. seriously now.

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

man... is it really misogynistic to think a girl in a magazine or in a band is hot?

i mean, it's not like were hating her or beating her or whatever.

on objectification, i'll buy the theory that ultimately porn does suck. it creates laziness. it creates unreal expectations both about body image and sex as an act. but damn, do we have to turn off our appetite entirely?

is it ok to see a person who we feel is attractive and express that feeling?

sex, drugs, and rock and roll... ("it's over.")
m.

― msp, Friday, 25 April 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

haha we're talkin 'bout poor musician girls oh-if-only-maybe getting 'picked' to take their kit off in playboy and somebody (anonymously even) has to get bent outta shape over bringing up misogyny.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

trife, put down the Judith Butler and allow that social relations are a little more nuanced than yr reductive take, IRL and on ILx. How is this different than you and me perving over chloe the other nite?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

haha shhhhh!!!

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

BUSTED!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

"no meg white's too major now, and carrie brownstein'll just laugh at best. find some real undergroud shit where they really need the money. have a fucking vote if you don't know, i don't care"

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe we can get some 14yo sweatshop girls in thailand some instruments and a copy of velvet underground and nico and then have a contest to send one lucky playboy reader on a INDIE ROCK CHILD PROSTITUTION SEX TOUR

― st (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

dont worry guys, its indie!!

― s trife (simon_tr), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(fuck I fucked up epate le indie; Sterl delete my post!)

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't figure out if trife is made at playboy or at indie.

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I can't fucking believe Nixie is in last.

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

#1. Holy shit st, you've posted like 80 times, every single time saying variations of "INDIE = STOOPED." I'm pretty sure the other 2 threads on the topic were more or less in pure awe that something so weird could happen.

#2. "on objectification, i'll buy the theory that ultimately porn does suck. it creates laziness. it creates unreal expectations both about body image and sex as an act. but damn, do we have to turn off our appetite entirely?"

Frankly, if some women wait until marriage for sex, and the rest require a serious relationship, the other guys need some form of release. As Tom Leykis says (and I dont quote this man often), ejaculation is like urination.

― David Allen, Friday, 25 April 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Now we're back on track!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, this would be a great Trife-troll, except, umm, Playboy isn't, like, run by indie kids. Though I have to say, looking at certain indie message boards and such, the jockier indie-fan contingent is certainly blowing up. Blame Maxim, really: stuff like that got guys reading magazines, and guys who read magazines are gonna be more likely to buy whatever hip rock records the magazine's obliged to keep up on. Unfortunately I don't think those guys would even see where's Trife's criticisms were coming from, since I doubt many of them took any Big Indie Oaths about gender equality or objectification.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh good God, David, what are you saying????

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, holy shit, that last sentence reads like one of those Falwell / Coulter "what, why is everyone looking at me, what did I say?" gaffes.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway Maxim has great record reviews.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"And in conclusion, we wouldn't have to objectify women if they'd just fucking put out more often! Thank y-- umm? What? Why are they booing?"

I dunno, Sterling, you said that before so I've looked at them a few times -- they were surprisingly okay, way above my expectations, but I'm not sure about "great."

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

They're the least pretentious affected indie reviews anywhere.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, well if that's your agenda, sure: the bulk of their readers don't really care about indie affectations, so you don't have to put up with any. I dunno, the capsules do a good job of nailing each thing down, efficient and generally close-to-the-mark consumer-guiding, but they also sort of read like someone looked the record up on Metacritic and just explained the general line, so I'd have a hard time calling them "great."

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

But nabisco wouldn't gladly freelance for 'em if given the opportunity?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

hell i'd strip!

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

If they paid me, sure! I'd have plenty of trouble calling my own writing "great," too, you know. (What does that have to do with anything, anyway?)

I find it hard to judge magazines on this sort of thing, because when it's just front-of-book capsule reviews it's less "criticism" and more actual "tastemaking," which is a sort of different game. Have you ever read the Entertainment Weekly expanded music section thing?

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't mean to blame it on women. It's not women's fault at all, but there are a lot of people (mostly in the religous right) who assume men can just subdue their sexual needs and desires. It's that exact repression that has lead to most of socieites woes.

I'm still not sure how to feel about pornography and the objectification of women. The women ARE being paid...

― David Allen, Friday, 25 April 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What does that have to do with anything, anyway?

Certainly not a critcism in any way, nabisco, just saying their editors might circumscribe the writers a bit.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(The more I think about it, I'd fucking love to do capsule tastemaker reviews like that -- I'm guessing I'd be better at summarizing what's up with a particular record than I am at coming up with something interesting to say about it for an indie audience that knows all sorts of stuff and will send you letters for not properly acknowledging some other band that did the same thing in 1904.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess its just such a welcome relief to read reviews of indie that treat it just like any other type of music and don't obsess about hype, authenticity, transcendence, etc.

I've never read EW, what are they like?

(for that matter, what are Playboy's reviews like? icky i imagine, not in a sex way, but in a sort of culture-vulture but not-getting it one?)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

oh god Dave so money changing hands is now the okaymaker?

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The ROUND file!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/newengland/stories/m389460.jpg

― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

And prostitutes. Jack Shepherd dressed up as a prostitute once. That makes him uniquely qualified to speak for women. Prison-breaking women. That's real feminism. You know what I like? Womens Prisons Flicks. Vote for Wendy O Williams and Reform School Girls!

― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Listen, everyone...the American culture is so fucked up. We're so obsessed with how we look. Does a woman have to lose weight? Will it make any of us happy? What about money? Ugh, god, just listen, like...we just need to, you know, love each other and hold hands. Who would know better than me?

― Madonna (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum = the Geir Hongro of non-music threads

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I hadn't realized there was a FROTHING demand for nekkid indie girls. But then again, I guess there's a frothing demand for nekkid anything girls.

― original bgm, Friday, 25 April 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum here's a list of things you haven't done:
--say something the world doesn't already know or heard a million times
--say something we haven't heard YOU say a millions times
--engage with any of the ideas of this thread
--construct an argument that doesn't go after things totally beside the matter of discussion (great interviews? uh huh we KNOW)
--tried to actually think and convince anyone of anything rather than browbeat us into respecting you for dead-average taste for the women of page and screen.
--come off as anything other than a creep, again.

oh and btw, the Neko Case pic comes from a shoot she already did for one of those indie pin-up mags. Go check it out duuudes!! Tits!! For real!!

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Sums up ILE so well...

Liking to look at nekkid women = creep.

Thanks for that, I'd forgotten how creepy I was.

P.S. My 'dead average' taste in women is the male norm, live with it.

― Calum, Friday, 25 April 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

then wtf are you doing hanging out here? trying to 'educate' us?

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

You know what I like? Womens Prisons Flicks. Vote for Wendy O Williams and Reform School Girls!
Fuck Playboy - I'd rather see the Hustler spread.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

What realy fucks me off (aside from music fans coming over all holier than thou about sexism - HOW MANY TIMES MUST I TELL YOU TO BIN YOUR RECORDS???) is that so many people here throw about words like sexism and misogyny without thinking. The two are not interchangable.

You could view the Playboy indie chick thing as sexist - it's bascially saying that they CAN and WILL purchase the female of your choice to show her tits and ass and, in doing so, she will be able to forward her career. Not through her music mind, but by what's underneath. Yeah, this can be seen as sexist, but then so can any star in the music industry today - Westlife sell sex to a young audience, albeit cushy and un-threatening and safe. Take That were there to help the girls through puberty. All of this focuses on appearance and the music industry will always sell this. Is this sexism? I'm not sure. Playboy's poll is no more or less sexist than your average Robbie Williams video though.

Misogyny, on the other hand, is the express hatred of women. Cute, sexy, tasteful pictures of undressed females is not misogyny. All porn is not misogyny (and how sad to see some people her believing it is). Misogyny is the 70s/ early 80s 'roughie' films, misogyny is 'The New York Ripper' and Japanese torture movies, misogyny is Max Hardcore, misogyny is Eminem and various rap music stars (Snoop Doog for one). That's misogyny.

Seperate sexism from misogyny please. They are not interchangable.

― Calum, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(Subtext: A misogynist is a sexist who's been dumped; a sexist is a misogynist who thinks he's still got a shot.)

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yo, I think people are totally misreading my comment about men shielding women they care about from objectification. My point wasn't that this is some great noble impulse, but that it's one moment where even the guys who are most comfortable with that objectification suddenly seem to see what might be bad about it. Substitute "mother" for the woman involved if this doesn't make sense to you: I'm not trying to glorify the "owning" impulse or the "protective" impulse, simply pointing out that this is one situation in which lots of guys suddenly and in a blinding flash turn around and and notice what a shit atmosphere certain sorts of behavior can create. I get the feeling if someone were going on and on about wanting to fuck Calum's mom, there'd be at least some small part of him that might find that the tiniest bit disrespectful and offputting, and surely that part of his is a gateway to eventually figuring out what the hell people are talking about when they talk about objectification.

But thanks to C's presence this thread is basically over, since he can type a lot but he's completely unable to read, and thus completely unable to separate complaints about a culture of objectification from all of these people he imagines are telling him that finding women attractive is a sin. This weird schizophrenia -- arguing with things people never actually said -- is on complete factual display on this thread, where he waltzes in to tell everyone they're misusing the terms "sexism" and "misogyny": do a little word search, Calum, and you'll note that you're the only person to have used either of those words so far!

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Saying "Oh, it happens all the time, girls are CLEARLY ok with it, therefore it is not sexism" is probably the gender equivalent of saying "There's no racism here, look those niggers are perfectly happy sitting at the back of the bus and drinking from the outside water fountains."

Just because something *is* that way does not mean that that is the way that it *should* be. Your logic is flawed from the very start. Normal != fair.

― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.camineet.net/ps2cast/ford.jpg
I guess this is too trashy for Playboy now
.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Kerry, naturally.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

trife threads workin' harder than a tommy boy 12"

dk r0x etc.

― ron (ron), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, as if these women should feel lucky to be ahem admitted into Playboy's inner sanctum of tasteful sexiness! Fuck that Abercrombie and Fitch shit, where are the ridiculously dirty scenarios?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate you once hijacked a Avril Lavigne thread and said that her image (what? of a pretty young girl that shows no flesh at all) is forced on her by marketing men etc etc

You are very bitter, your posts indicate that you seem insecure in yourself (I'm not criticising this) and angry at those you perceive to be more attractive, sexier, more successful etc etc I feel quite sorry for you. You are the girl in the night club hiding away in the corner.

I never said 'it happens all the time girls are clearly okay with it' I simply stated that some women enjoy being presented as sexy and attractive, and why not? I'd be flattered if someone chose to present me in this manner.

My ex-girlfriend had no problem with Playboy, but she was quite offended by the openness of my ex-flatmate who would openly show her dildo around and speak about shagging. She was also quite taken aback by an old mate of mine who had bedded a lot of men, and indicated a desire to shag as many blokes as possible. Me personally - none of these offend me, it's up to the individual. But by your reckoning Kate, the only type of feminism is the anti-porn, all women are subject to male oppression type of cack that has been outdated for years. Grow up.

― Calum, Friday, 25 April 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What crap Calum - Kate doesn't come off as anything like that.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Could someone post a one-line description of what this thread is a reaction to? Some contest in Playboy? I'm at work & can't surf over to playboy.com to check it out. Thanks.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(pboy's holding a vote: pick which woman in an indie band [chan marshall, michelle mae, neko case, wit, a couple others] the winner will be "asked" to do a spread.)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

(crap syntax there, sorry. anyway it seems clear that being on this list of candidates wasn't consensual.)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

As for the use of the word misogynistic and sexist, check the post that started this thread.

P.S. I'm sure Kate is alright, she just has opinions that niggle at me, but that's what make us human, I was probably out of order in what I said.

― Calum, Friday, 25 April 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I definitely appreciate the slight hypocrisy in Kate chastising men for discussing women they fancy on an internet forum, especially as there was a period on ILE where everyday a new thread was started by Kate on either Julain Cassablanca's ass or some "dirty dronerock boy" she wants to "de-flower".

― Leanne (Lurker), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

mark - playboy running a "hottest indie chiX0r" poll, the "winner" of which will be approached to pose for the mag

is everyone too freaked out of looking like an indie square to mention the creepiness of the "we WILL get them" tone of this thing?? yeah yeah indie-alternaland in "just as sexist and backward as everywhere else etc zzzzz" SHOCKAH but the forbidden-fruit aspect of this really does come from playboyINC's understanding of indierock as at least a SYMBOLIC safe-zone from objectification=record-sales pressures. Sure the work that's been done to make that even half-true has been chipped away at for years and wasn't always guided by the greatest of impulses in the first place but a there's a sort Last Frontier co-optation powerplay at work here that's just totally discouraging for anyone who saw any promise in that work to begin with. AM I BEING TOO CORNY?? Fuck is it ever appalling.

(the worst part is i'm now waiting for someone to saunter in and hand me the music-in-a-car-ad chestnut about how GREAT it will be for the winner since the indie scene isn't earning them a living TOM DELETE THE UNIVERSE NOW PLEASE)

― jones (actual), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

god I want to hear a tape of the phone call to the winner.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I crazy or did Neko Case already pose for Playboy? I thought I read that.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Well she did one of those indie bettie page kind of mags but if she did pb I guess I don't know.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't quite read this whole thing, but I don't really get what people are arguing about. It seems like the worst thing about the Playboy contest (and again, I haven't seen the actual page) is that it seems very impolite. This contest is an assholish thing to do, as Nitsuh pointed out w/ his example about sending an email to his co-workers (hilarious image btw), but I don't think at a base level it's any different from one of the "Who do you fancy?" or "Who would you like to shag?" threads that's been on ILM since day one, except that it's happening on a much bigger scale.

I thought punk/indie porn was pretty much a fact of life now.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Tiffany's playboy spread didn't really help her record sales :-(.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

How do you play devils advocate when there's such hysterical wrongheaded twats on both sides of the argument.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

mark: well yes except
a) pb isn't one of those pitchfork-advertising punkbabe sites (whose mission statements re: intent, power etc probably DO fall on mostly deaf ears audience-wise and yes maybe ARE ridden with all sorts of dodgy rationalizations but STILL)
b) "who do you fancy" threads aren't corporate entities prepared to dangle more cash in front of any of the pervees-in-question than they're likely to make in a year
c) whether indieporn is a fact of life or not, most of these women haven't decided to pose nude in ANY magazine - they decided to make music under the apparantly misguided impression that people might be interested in THAT.

also sterling otm

i don't know which is more of a drag: that ronan probably means me, or that he's probably right

― jones (actual), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm offended by the obsession with women's looks because to me it feels like you are not worth anything unless you are a woman. Seriously, it's quite depressing. The adoration is on religiously levels.

― Carat Semen Urn, Friday, 25 April 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(wow i'll NEVER LEARN)

(bye)

― jones (actual), Friday, 25 April 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Today, Ronan is OTM.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 25 April 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Carat Semen Urn

Best username evah!

― nickn (nickn), Saturday, 26 April 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

on second thought i'll only cop to being hysterical

(# of wrongheaded twats on this side of the argument = 4 or 5? match: trife)

― jones (actual), Saturday, 26 April 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

calum: forget sexist vs misogynist, please learn the difference between sexy and sexist bc you are all like 'lisa said a dirty word!!' esp when you try to implicate kate in your crap: "omg but she talks about sex all the time!"
say hi if you can read this!

― minna (minna), Saturday, 26 April 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

hi ronan.

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 April 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i love that i can totally hear minna's teacher voice in that post.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 26 April 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

impudence!

― minna (minna), Saturday, 26 April 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I looked at the 'options' - all of them seem kind of understandable choices except Chan Marshall?? -

It's strange that we can even have a conversation about this - doesn't it seem like it should be a kind of logical impossibility? I'm really embarrassed.

― bedroom, Saturday, 26 April 2003 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope Neko Case becomes famous because of her amazing voice.

― Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'm offended by the obsession with women's looks because to me it feels like you are not worth anything unless you are a woman."

Just popped by to say this makes no sense.

Toodle pip, must dash now. See you soon.

― Calum, Saturday, 26 April 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually wasn't sure what the hell they meant either

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 27 April 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

They're totally right though.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 April 2003 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

image posts almost completely absent from this thread. weird. A+ trolling throughout tho.

― gershy, Friday, 8 February 2008 08:07 (seventeen years ago)

will take #1 and #3

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 8 February 2008 08:08 (seventeen years ago)

"Christ said, I tell you that anyone who looks on an indie chick with lust has in his heart already committed adultery. I've looked on a lot of indie chicks with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times."

http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/history/faculty/TROYWEB/Courseweb/Carter%20Playboy%20Interview.JPG

― gershy, Friday, 8 February 2008 08:13 (seventeen years ago)


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