TS: Dylan's "Hard Rain" vs. "Bootleg Series: Rolling Thunder"

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This is behind the times, but I finally got the "Live 1975" thing that came out earlier in the year. "Hard Rain" is one of my favorite Dylan albums, since the songs are so hard and tense and sharp, and just smokin'. (And it's such a great live album - you can really feel the energy and tension between the stage and the crowd.) I was disappointed to find that the official Rolling Thunder "bootleg" sounds so... well, comparatively florid and limp, and corny in spots.

It's still good, of course. But I guess the question is more - why does "Hard Rain" sound the way it does? I assume this new set is more representative of the Rolling Thunder sound than "Hard Rain." Was "Hard Rain" recorded during the "second leg" of Rolling Thunder or something?

Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The only thing I like on Hard Rain is "Shelter from the Storm," one of Dylan's best vocals.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

And, see, it also has that awesome guitar line. Hard Rain's full of stuff like that! (Plus that dude bellowing, "Lay Lady Layyyy! Play Lay Lady Lay!")

Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The album Hard Rain was from the 76 tour, where everything got a bit nastier and edgier out there vs 75 when it was more...delicate i guess is the word...

I wish they'd go in and remaster HR, it's in need of it for sure! Release the film too while they're at it...yeah, like that's gonna happen!

Phil Dokes (sunny), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
I've never heard Hard Rain, but I just picked up Rolling Thunder and man does it kick! What a band.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 7 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not as crazy about the one man one guitar numbers, but the full band stuff is super energetic.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 7 January 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

I remember watching the TV special that accompanied Hard Rain in my college dorm freshman year. At that point my reaction was "wtf is Mick Ronson doing cavorting w/these guys" though I did go out and but the album (later selling it and basically giving up on Dylan for the next twenty years). In the meantime I've heard Live 1975a couple times and enjoyed it in a "sloppy-but-endearing" kinda way.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 7 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

it is kind of wild how different the bootleg series rolling thunder set is from hard rain, even though only a few months separate them and it's basically the same band. The fall 75 shows are so warm and upbeat--probably the friendliest Dylan on record. The 76 stuff is positively vicious, on the other hand. The "Idiot Wind" on Hard Rain is terrifying. Bob was clearly in a different state of mind. And yeah, the Hard Rain "Shelter From The Storm" is amazing--sounds a lot like the Clash!

Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Sunday, 8 January 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

i don't remember live 75 holding together that well (haven't listened in a while though). but i've played hard rain lots and every time i do, goddamn. what tyler said, i like the viciousness.

miss michel legrand (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 8 January 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

The only thing I like on Hard Rain is "Shelter from the Storm," one of Dylan's best vocals.

Yes. I've actually had arguments with my friends about this, they say Maggie's Farm is best on Hard Rain, I hold out for Shelter From The Storm.

Rereading the last paragraph, it's no wonder none of us get laid.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Sunday, 8 January 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

i namechecked that version of "maggie's farm" on the "favorite dylan vocals" thread.

miss michel legrand (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 8 January 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Listening to Hard Rain for the first time and I'm really digging it- Shelter from the Storm roars as said upthread. I also really like the version You're a Big Girl Now, so beautiful and heart-wrenching. And the song Oh Sister finally clicked for me, I could never really get into the studio version.

Only dud is Lay Lady Lay, the backing vocals just sound awkward and ugly.

ColinO, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 01:53 (sixteen years ago)

I'm looking forward to hearing the Bootleg Series of this tour.

ColinO, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 01:54 (sixteen years ago)

search around for the "hold the fort for what it's worth" bootleg -- it's prob the best bootleg from this tour ... not as great as Hard Rain, but close.

tylerw, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 02:16 (sixteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Wow, the Rolling Thunder Bootleg Series has been kicking my ass in recent months!

Dylan sounds completely fresh and seems to be in a great spirits throughout. I think it ranks with some of the best singing of his career. Also, he arrangements really make the songs sound totally new and different than the studio versions we're so use to. It Ain't Me, Babe and Love Minus Zero, in particular, are especially compelling.

And the songs he sings with Baez come off much better than the songs with her from the '64 Bootleg.

ColinO, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 05:23 (fifteen years ago)

seven months pass...

fucking a why did i wait until this morning to own the Rolling Thunder tour????

goddamn this GOES IN

skreet walking cheeduh widda head fulla facepalm (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)

fuuuuuuuck

"a hard rain's gonna fall" as smokin' boogie rock!

WUT WUT WUT WUT WUT WUT

skreet walking cheeduh widda head fulla facepalm (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:40 (fifteen years ago)

peel their caps back bob!

skreet walking cheeduh widda head fulla facepalm (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:41 (fifteen years ago)

yeah i love that set. i was just listening to one of the first rolling thunder shows on that wolfgang's vault site -- they've got a few shows with the whole revue set -- mick ronson, jack elliott, bob neuwirth, roger mcguinn, joan baez etc. kinda gives a better picture of what the whole tour was about.

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)

annoying that dylan hasn't let someone sift through all the film footage and put together a doc or something. there's obviously a lot of it in renaldo and clara, but that's not exactly a straightforward tour film.

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 17:17 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dqmy_bob-dylan-isis-live-1975_music

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

the version of "it ain't me babe" on this is so great, the chorus is so much fun in this arrangement

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:07 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

they should really put this whole new orleans 1976 show out, coplete with the insane kinky friedman set - http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/52232280300/the-battle-of-new-orleans-thanks-to-stuart-for

tylerw, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 21:49 (twelve years ago)

six months pass...

kind of cool news that there is apparently a rolling thunder documentary in the works w/ scorsese involvement. so much cool footage around, I imagine, since they filmed pretty much everything.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 16:53 (twelve years ago)

tyler what did you think of that 'valley below' bootleg comp?

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:46 (twelve years ago)

god, i'm still catching up with all of those comps... I think I've already heard most of it. the re-written "if you see her" that kicks it off is insane.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:51 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

Started streaming the Rolling Thunder Bootleg this week and yeah, everybody otm.

Alone Again XOR (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 October 2015 22:57 (ten years ago)

three years pass...

SO EXCITED

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/bob-dylan-martin-scorsese-rolling-thunder-revue-documentary-netflix-777169/

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 January 2019 19:35 (six years ago)

annoying that dylan hasn't let someone sift through all the film footage and put together a doc or something.
nine years later, i'm no longer annoyed! this should be gooooood.

tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2019 19:37 (six years ago)

i mean

https://vimeo.com/216258685

tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2019 19:46 (six years ago)

"If you want me to... yes!"

doug watson, Thursday, 10 January 2019 20:41 (six years ago)

Spectacular news. Can't wait.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 10 January 2019 21:50 (six years ago)


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