N.W.A - Classic or Dud?

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The godfathers of gangsta rap? Classic I say for the first album alone. I love them even though they helped me get kicked out of catholic school.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

get your ticket to play with it like a slinky and put your lips on my big chocolate twinkie.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

In middle school, we were allowed to bring in music to listen to during art class. My friend Amar had this NWA tape, and of course we weren't listening to it in class, but he had it sitting out on the desk. The art teacher came up and picked it up, started reading the song titles, and got all outraged and said it was disgusting and filth. Then she calmed down and said she wasn't mad at us, that it was society's fault.
So classic.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nick that happened to me except that my english teacher took the tape and passed it on to our headmaster. Who in turn called my parents and myself in for a conference where we listened to the whole tape in its entirety in the headmasters office. My parents were so happy.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Straight Outta Compton = classic. Everything else they did = dud.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

It did go downhill from SOC. There were a few good songs on "elif4zaggiN" though.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I believe you mean Efil4zaggin. I think that's the one we got busted for. Does that have Automobile and She Swallowed It on it?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 1 May 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes. Whatever the title is, I enjoyed some of it.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh my title was pretty cool though. niggaz4filez.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah yes, Efil4zaggin....Niggaz4life inexplicably backwards.

I remember there was a great SPIN article (a rare thing indeed) around the time of that record wherein the journalist (I forget who) took the members of NWA out to the Russian Tea Room for an interview over a meal. The name of the piece was Niggaz4Dinner. Oh I laughed.

I also remember initially mistaking the expression "Niggaz 4 Life" as some sort've life-affirming, positive message ala "Up with People!" ("up with Niggaz"?).....until, that is, I heard the album.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 May 2003 13:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was in a punk band when SOC came out and we got a copy. It was unlike anything we had ever heard. I thought they were kidding at first, even the album cover looked like a send up (you are on the ground looking up at NWA and there is a gun pointed at you, real subtle) Fuck the Police is one of the best anti-cop songs ever, I would put it right next to Black Flag's Police story (which the original gangster Ice-T does a really fine cover of on Rise Above, Rollins & guest artists doing Flag to raise cash for the West Memphis 3 legal defense fund.)
NWA's brutality was impressive but, alas, the mysoginy wore thin rather quickly, especially Easy-mutthafuckin-E. The first album is a classic and I have bought three copies, because my cheap ass friends keep stealing them! I did not buy any of their other records, nor Ice Cube's solo stuff.

Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Thursday, 1 May 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic,straight out of compton is one of the most fucked up sounding tracks ive ever heard,its quality
i only have a greatest hits though

robin (robin), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic for the first album (and the tape-only album that preceded it, which is like the first album minus the bigger-studio punch), yes. Who cares what they did next? SOC, even though it runs out of gas after the first four or five numbers, is amazing. Still.

I wonder if/when trife is gonna come in here and call us all racists for talking about NWA

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic; "straight outta compton" at least, once ice cube left i kind of stopped paying attention. of course i think ice cube managed to leave himself at some point in the 90s...

I wonder if/when trife is gonna come in here and call us all racists for talking about NWA

hmm.

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic. 'Straight Outta Compton' changed American culture. It changed the way we talk, it changed the way we dressed, etc. I would say that NWA made a fundamental cultural impact almost as great as the invention of the automobile... CLASSIC.

cprek (cprek), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Straight Outta Compton is a total classic. It takes some fantastic tunes for me to get around such overwhelming misogyny, and Straight... has them.

Easily one of my most listened too albums in hs.

Niggaz 4 Life really pissed me off. Complete shit.

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Niggaz4Life was shit. One of the worst follow-up albums ever. It's like they got Guns N' Roses syndrome; all self-conscious about their status, and making this really stilted, micro-managed album.

But yeah, Straight Outta Compton = total utter classic. As is it's companion piece, Eazy E's Eazy-Duz-It. Those records literally scared me back in high school when they came out. Not "scare" as in fear, but more like awe at the power music could wield, the emotions that something like "Fuck Tha Police" could incite in me. I actually tend to agree with cprek, although he's slightly overstating it. But only slightly.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

It changed the way we talk, it changed the way we dressed, etc.

Ummmmmm.......no it didn't.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Slightly less important than the automobile, I'd say.

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

You guys are crazy. Efil4zaggin kicks SOC's ass. Straight Outta Compton's ratio of weak tracks to strong ones is overwhelming. Efil4zaggin reminds me of Alien Lanes (weird, I know) - songs that I couldn't ever imagine seperating from the context of the album. I love it.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't understand how anyone could say they're anything but classic. I second Mr. Diamond up there about "Eazy Duz It", as well - and I'll add the "D.O.C."'s first album to the "unfairly overlooked spinoff" list. Mind-blowing when I was 13, still mind-blowing now. Without Cube it all went to shit though.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Eazy Duz It and No One Can Do It Better are also classic.

Straight... managed to keep a sense of humor while being rebellious. Niggaz4Life is lowest common denominator material. Incohesive, pushing obvious boundaries, and aside from "Real Niggaz..." and "Appetite..." totally lacking in quality material.

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I only really liked the first three songs on SOC. I haven't heard anything else. They might be classic for "Gangsta Gangsta" alone though.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

If It Ain't Ruff is brilliant.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, i don't think i've ever listened to it all the way through...it's like the greatest maxi-ep in the history of hip-hop.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

But if you don't listen to it all the way through you miss "8-Ball" and "I Ain't Tha One"! Not to mention the hilarious "Express Yourself".

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Considering how things completely blew up in L.A. with the entire Rodney King situation, you have to say in a way, what their (and a couple of others) lyrics were saying was pretty damn prophetic or at least bit quite coincidental.

Their story of making cash from chaos is as interesting as the Sex Pistols.

In their wake, even MC HAMMER went hard.

Top it off that Dre is still one of the biggest producers in hip hop, Eazy E goes to a Republican fund raiser then dies of AIDS and Ice Cube has become a film star (comedic no less). That has to be one of the wildest storylines for any group of any kind.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

easy e went to a republican fundraiser?
what the fuck?

robin (robin), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think jess likes to put on "Something 2 Dance 2" and shimmy around his pad.

The Rodney King thing is interesting and I had it in mind as I was considering what cprek said; I honestly wonder to what degree the riots would have happened if NWA hadn't existed.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, that's a true story. I remember when that happened - he'd donated like $25,000 or so (I'm guessing at the amount here) as a tax write-off and ended up getting invited to some thank-you dinner. It made the LA Times it was so odd.

Well, maybe not that odd considering the Republican-CIA-Contra-crack dealer axis...

And gimme a break, none of this music inspired the riots. Decades of poverty and police brutality inspired the riots. LA was (and in many ways still is) an incredibly racially polarized city.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

i just get worn out. i can't really listen to many post-nwa rap albums all the way through either. it's exhausting in the same well metal is.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I would not go so far as prophetic (though you have a point), but as far as putting the racial separation in L.A. (and in general) on the radar... huge influence.

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Watts riots didn't do that?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

heh didn't they once have JB to go on the air to calm a potential riot?

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I believe the JB incident was in Detroit in '69.

The Watts riots gave us the brilliance that is "Wattstax: The Living Word".

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hardest working riot preventer in show business.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

every riot gets the art it deserves i suppose

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

what did the Seattle riots produce? Surely there's some bad Sleater-Kinney song about them...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another Zack De La Rocha remix?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I Didn't Know People From Eugene Could Be So Mean"

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taking in account when those tracks from NWA and Ice T hit and what they were saying, it basically said it was going to blow and it did.

A cop beat up someone, it got taped, they slipped the trial out to the burbs, the cops walked and all hell broke loose with the local and state government completely fumbling the situation with the LAPD head Gates leading the bungling of the riot itself.

The fact that L.A. had that riot has to be concidered one of the reasons Lord Bush beat by Clinton. It was an exclamation point that the old boy didn't know what was going on in his own back yard.

It wasn't inspiration, it was a mirror and probably more authentic in such than damn well most musicians ever hope to muster.

I'm not a big fan of the music, I just think considering all that went down it is quite interesting.

earlnash, Friday, 2 May 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha - yeah, the voters always turn to the Dems when they want a 'law and order' candidate

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 2 May 2003 03:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Welp. It's been 10 years now since Easy passed away.
(pours a little on the ground for his dead-homey).

A Life (in a nutshell):
September 7, 1963 - Eric Wright, a.k.a. Eazy-E was born in Compton

Winter 1979 - Eazy-E drops out of high school in 10th grade. He later
returned to receive his GED.

March 3, 1987 - Eazy-E meets Jerry Heller at a record-pressing plant
in Hollywood. Heller hears a sample of Eazy-E's music and the two
become partners, launching Ruthless Records.

March 1987 - Eazy-E discovers D.O.C., signs him to a Ruthless/Atlantic
Records deal and brings him out on tour with N.W.A.

November 1987- N.W.A. with members Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, DJ
Yella and Arabian Prince, Starts a 14-date national tour on the bill
with UTFO, Salt & Pepa and Heavy D.

July 1988 - Ruthless Records cuts a deal with Atco Records to
distibute products by JJ Fad and Michel'le

August 1988 - N.W.A. releases "Straight Outta Compton", which
eventually sells more than 3 million units

September 1988 - - MTV refuses to air the video for "Straight Outta
Compton, "claiming the clip, a re-creation of a police gang sweep of
black teens, "glorified violence"

September 1988 - - Eazy-E releases solo project "Eazy Duz It, " which
eventually sells more than 2.5 million copies.

June 19, 1989 - Members of N.W.A. are arrested for performing "Fuck
Tha Police" on stage.

August 6, 1989 - Members of N.W.A. are briefly detained by Detroit
police after chanting a few lines from "Fuck Tha Police" in concert

August 20, 1989 - D.O.C. falls asleep while behind the wheel of a car
he gets into a serious accident. He loses his voice as a result of
the accident

August 1989 - A woman, 16, says she was raped after a concert in
Birmingham, Ala. In a later civil suit she claims she had a daughter
as a result of being raped by N.W.A. member Lorenzo "MC Ren"
Patterson on a tour bus after the concert.

September 1989 - FBI sends a letter to ruthless Records, warning the
group that the agency didn't take kindly to the single "Fuck Tha
Police"

January 1990 - Ice Cube leaves N.W.A. over finacial disputes

March 26 1990 - Tennesse District Attourney Joe Baugh rules that
N.W.A.'s "Straight Outta Compton" and 2 Live Crew's "As Nasty as They
Wanna Be" violates the Tennessee obscenity laws August 1990 - N.W.A
releases "100 MILES AND RUNNIN" EP, which eventually sells more than
500, 000 copies.

September 1990 - WaxWorks, a 110-store, Kentucky basedretail chain,
pulls 100 Miles and Runnin from its store shelves and refuses to sell
it due to its explicit references to oral sex and gang violence.

November 1990 - Fox TV rap video show "Pump it up" runs a segment on
N.W.A in which it crosscut between members of the group badmouthing
Ice Cube and a interview Ice Cube saying bad things about them.

January 27, 1991 - Dre runs into "Pump it up" host Dee Barnes at a
record release party in Los Angeles and gets into a physical
confrintation with her.

Febuary 1991 - Barnes files criminal charges against Dre for "assault
and battery" and files a $22.7 million lawsuit against Dre and the
members of N.W.A. The civil case is eventually settled outside of
court.

May 29, 1991 - N.W.A releases "Efil4zaggin", which eventually sells
more then 1 million copies. Debuts at No.2 on the pop chart.

June 22, 1991 - "Efil4zaggin" becomes the first gangsta rap album to
reach No.1 on the Billboard charts. June 1991 - Irish singer Sinead
O'Conner, after originally aggreeively defending N.W.A, tells British
music magazine "New Musical Express" that N.W.A's "attitudes have
become increasingly dangerous". O'Conner also said "the way they deal
with women is pathetic".

Summer 1991 - N.W.A breaks up.

August 1991 - Eazy-E files a state court complaint against Dr.Dre,
DeatRow Records executive Marion "Suge" Knight and rap artist D.O.C.
that alleges the defendents used "duress" and "menace" to get Eazy-E
to void his exclusive contracts with Dre and the D.O.C. The case is
still pending.

October 1992 - Ruthless Records sues Dr. Dre's Death Row Records and
accuses Dre's label of racketeering. The suit gets dismissed on
Aug.9, 1993. It is under appeal.

November 1992 - Dr. Dre releases "Dre Day, " a video where he shows
an Eazy-E likeness in a disparaging light.

December 1992 - Eazy-E releases solo EP "5150 Home For Tha Sick, Which
has sold more than 500, 000 copies.

April 1993 - Amid a swirl of controversy, Eazy-E publicly speaks out
in support of Timothy Briseno, one of the police officers who was
video taped beating Rodney King.

May 1993 - Houston-based rapper Willie Dee, formerly of the Getto
Boys, tells the Los Angeles Times in a interview that "Eazy-E is a
sellout, " for supporting Briseno.

August 1993 - Relativity Records signs a deal with Ruthless Records to
promote, market and distribute Ruthless artist.

October 26, 1993 - Eazy-E releases second solo album "It's
on(Dr.Dre)187um Killa, " which eventually sell more than 1.5 million
copies. The album contains repeated references to Dr.Dre and shows
Dre on the album's inner sleeve wearing eye shadow, lipstick and
sequins.

Winter 1993 - Eazy-E pays $2, 500 to attend a fund-raising luncheon
for the Republic Inner Circle, where George Bush spoke.

Winter 1993 - Eazy-E ordered to pay child support of $58, 000 a year
for a girl he fathered in Nebraska.

April 1994 - Eazy-E starts hosting "The Ruthless Radio Show" at Los
Angeles radio station KKBT (The Beat) on Saturday nights with former
N.W.A. member Yella.

October 14, 1994 - Members of the rap act Po' Broke & Lonely sue
Eazy-E, claiming Ruthless Records interfered with their ability to
negotiate with other labels.

February 24, 1995 - Eazy-E is hospitalized for what he believes to be
a case of chronic asthma.

March 16, 1995 - Through attorney Ron Sweeney Eazy-E releases a
statement, disclosing he has contracted full-blown AIDS. In this
statement, Eazy-E also says that he has fathered 7children with 6
different women

March 1995 - Eazy-E marries Tomika Wood, with whom he had a son,
Dominick, In his statement Eazy-E says that both Wood and Dominick
have tested negative for HIV

March 26, 1995 - Eazy-E dies aty Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los
Angeles at the age of 31.The cause was complications from AIDS,
according to his doctor, Dr. Williams Young

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link


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