this is the thread where we sing the praises of JOHNNY OTIS!

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... inspired by seeing the drunken bum on my corner singing along to "Willie and the Hand Jive" blaring out of his boombox this morning. He even knew all the words! (Unfortunately, he did NOT do the dance). I used to religiously listen to Otis' show when I was a kid in LA, have since picked up a "Capitol Years" collection and an LP from around the same time "Hey Baby". Also read his rambling "autobio" "Upside Your Head", which is fantastic, full of righteous rants and great stories.

Why hasn't anyone made a movie of this man's life yet? Does anyone have any recommendations of other recordings of his to seek out?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, yes. The Capitol years comp has many nice things on it. "Castin' My Spell" would be my top pick. I must go find that autobio, it sounds like a good one. I used to be able to pick up his weekly radio show occasionally, when I lived in California. Anyone know if he still does that? damn if I can remember where it broadcasted from. Somewhere unlikely in the northern part of the state, though. Any other good recommendations for Otis LPs, 'sides the Capitol one?

pauls00, Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

the Shuggie Otis In Session: Great RNB or something like that is pretty good. it's like 70s recuts of 50s tracks that Johnny organized (w/ Shuggie on guit).

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I am saddened by the lack of ILM enthusiasm for one of rock n' roll's early greats... fie on all of you!

that being said I think Johnny spends most of his time these days making his organic apple juice up in Sausalito (or wherever he is north of SF). I'd also nominate "Castin' My Spell" as the best track on that Capitol comp, great voodoo freakbeat!

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 May 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

organic apple juice? ...castin my cores at you, castin my cores at you...

Anyhow, I finally did a search for mr otis on the web, and saw that he airs his show on KPFA-FM, Saturdays, 9am to noon (Pacific Standard Time). Some pretty nice art on his web site, too: http://www.johnnyotisworld.com/

I didn't know he wrote "roll with me, henry". One more reason for canonization, damn it!

pauls00, Friday, 2 May 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I know what I'm gonna be tuning into tomorrow morning!! When I was a kid I was instantly entranced by his themesong - "Johnny Otis! Johnny Otis! Bum-bum Johnny Otis! Johnny Otis! Bum-bum"

I'm just gonna keep posting to this thread until the rest of ILM comes around to the genius of the original "r&b + loudness = rock 'n' roll!" formulator.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 May 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

hear hear SMC!

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

He is the man! Like Shakey Mo I have fond memories of watching his show on the tv as an impressionable child, which opened many doors musically speaking. I was young, but I was moved by all that went down on that lovely fun broadcast each week.

The real question I have: Where are the kineoscopes of the show and why aren't they being released on tape or DVD format and exported to the US from UK?

I had some of that apple juice, it was pretty good! That's not such a bad way to spend your time, you know ...

bflaska, Saturday, 3 May 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

You remember his hello song. I remember his sign off tune, "Bye Bye Baby" with him on vibraphones.

bflaska, Saturday, 3 May 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, he's genuinely great. I don't think I've heard anything by him that I haven't liked, and his importance as an impressario can't be overstated. The thing I play most is called The Greatest Johnny Otis Show (it's a comp of the best, rather than one show). I've seen him credited with discovering (I don't know details on any of this) Jackie Wilson, Little Willie John, the Robins (who became the Coasters), Big Mama Thornton, Hank Ballard and, most famously, (Little) Esther Phillips. Even if he'd never made a record himself, that would win him a significant place in my heart, but his own stuff can stand alongside those greats.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe not "discovering" Mae Thornton, as she was already out and about, but she got some time on his show. There was a curious link in the mid-'50s between small record companies in Memphis and L.A. R&B world, but I haven't a clue who that was or how it came about. The important thing is the music was being played in L.A.

Just like in the late '50s, someone from Louisiana had a contact with the L.As R&B world and so late-night radio listeners got to hear a lot of that steamy music brand new and straight off new platters.

Those would be interesting links to look into, right now it's like the missing history of the spread of music, thought that's beside the point of this thread. But it's very neat to know who did what and how it all came about.

Johnny Otis hired solid musicians for his shows, too, (both tv and clubs), people like Plas Johnson. As host, Otis could be funny, too. I remember one broadcast when one of the singing trio was sick and couldn't show up. And in introducing the group, Johnny explained they weren't the (guessing the name) Three Clouds of Joy but tonight as the Two Tons of Fun.

Otis showcased some blues greats, too, after all it was rhythm and blues. He had Roscoe Gordon on once; while Gordon played, Roscoe's chicken dressed in a suit and a little hat walked around the stage.

bflaska, Saturday, 3 May 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never seen any of these shows. We've got like 100+ TV channels (probably loads more than that) in the UK now, and still nothing like this is available.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

martin, these are the old Johnny Otis TV shows broadcast from Compton California in the early '50s on (I think) KTLA. They were splendid, and I'm sure they still exist as the one of the other KTLA live music shows "Town Hall Party" is being released piece by piece in UK in VHS format. The other music show on just that channel was Harry Owens and his Royal Hawaiians (which I think came from the Avalon Ballroom ... not that one but the one on Catalina Island, off the California coast). Lots of music on tv in those days, included the Firestone hour which introduced fine classical conductors and their orchestras to many.

Nothin' too much like this these days, woe is me. But that goes to show there is a real market for live music hours (or even half hours) as I remember these shows to this day, some (gulp!) fifty years later (I was a very hip little kid). Also on at that time, Barbara Dane doing a folk music show. They were INTO music on the boob toob then, and people really responded to it.

This was back when there were three to five channels in major metropolitan Los Angeles, the center of broadcast media. Not like today where we have 500 to choose from .... ahem.

bflaska, Saturday, 3 May 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, there really was a thing called "hand jive", four special hand movements that you could make while sitting and listening to the song ...

bflaska, Saturday, 3 May 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I know that last bit!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, like I was saying ... so anyway, as host, Otis could be funny, too. I remember one broadcast when one of the singing trio was sick and couldn't show up. And in introducing the group, Johnny explained they weren't the Three Tons of Joy but performing tonight as the Two Tons of Fun.

(These are distant childhood memories, recently jogged ...

Marie Adams & the Three Tons of Joy

Marie Adams was now a featured performer on the Johnny Otis revue as part of the trio called the Three Tons Of Joy (Marie with sisters Sadie and Francine McKinley).

bflaska, Sunday, 4 May 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

My search is over ... (and yours, too, if you tried that junk link above)

http://home.earthlink.net/~jaymar41/madams.html

bflaska, Sunday, 4 May 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Marie Adams was great, a really punchy and exuberant singer. She's on eight tracks of that album I recommended upthread.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 4 May 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh goody -- I'm tempted to find that comp, Martin.

And this on the Medallions and Buick 59 ("Buick nine, Buick fifty-nine"):

http://home.att.net/~marvy42/Medallions/medallions.html

I just remember a few of those songs listed in the boxes, "The Letter" b/w "Edna", probably because the record was around.

bflaska, Sunday, 4 May 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
I've never seen those TV shows, did any of this stuff ever come out on VHS or DVD...?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

RIP

:(

“How you like that, Mr. Hitler!” (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:27 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-johnny-otis-20120119,0,2183487.story

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:31 (thirteen years ago)

I got "The Johnny Otis Show Live at Monterey" just yesterday. RIP

the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:23 (thirteen years ago)

lack of ILM appreciation = :(

“How you like that, Mr. Hitler!” (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:29 (thirteen years ago)

RIP

Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:50 (thirteen years ago)

Cool clip of his TV show, below. Excellent stuff with Lionel Hampton at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0mIFzCaOko

I STILL haven't found or read any of his books, dammit. What an excellent, full life. Inspirational.

pauls00, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:56 (thirteen years ago)

At one point, Otis was asked to judge a talent competition in Detroit and selected three winners: Wilson, Ballard and Little Willie John. Otis' talent, he once said, was being able to "see something before anyone else."

Wow, quite a talent show; and quite a talented judge. RIP

curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

ten years pass...

Not surprisingly Andrew Hickey’s rock in 500 songs pod has a lot of discussion about Otis. What an amazing life.

that's not my post, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 22:49 (three years ago)

Yeah, that's def the artist Hickey has most expanded my horizons on.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 8 September 2022 09:59 (three years ago)


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