What do you want music to do?

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I was listening to a record this morning and trying to define why I liked it. I decided it was because it was able to

-Search through the possibilities of freedom.

At other times in my life I have wanted music to:

-Scare my parents.
-Create rich new worlds in my imagination.
-Demonstrate to me the cutting edge of technology.
-Incarnate the new sensibility.
-Give me a sense of community with people I probably won't meet.
-Expose me to brutality.
-Make me feel more refined, intelligent.
-Serve as a template for a learnable craft skill.
-Cover the noise coming from the next apartment.
-Isolate me from other riders of a public transport system.
-Cover embarrassing sounds made in the bathroom.
-Teach me how to feel about 'the revolution'.
-Structure my unconscious emotional life with couplets and refrains about love.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 2 May 2003 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(Actually, the last one is the thing I've wanted music to do the least.)

Momus (Momus), Friday, 2 May 2003 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Sublimation; complete loss of the sense of self, collapse of the ego. Immersion, blah blah blah. Stuff that makes me go "oooh" and then makes me go "........", in essence. And that makes my ass twitch.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

nice answer nick. also: reconfirm self. ha!

gaz (gaz), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

soothe my conscious mind into a false sense of security at work

phil turnbull (philT), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It's also interesting when, like a good massage, music does stuff you didn't even know needed doing. Ah, jeez, I didn't know my neck was so stiff! Wow, a guy beating on a djembe for one hour was exactly what I needed!

Momus (Momus), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah. surprise is a big turn on.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i want it to leap out of the speaker then give me a blow job then garotte me to death so my tongue hangs out and my bowels evacuate so anybody who finds the body will be repulsed

dave q, Friday, 2 May 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to hear risks being taken.

or what dave q said.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I want music to be the soundtrack of the revolution.

I don't care what the revolution's about in particular, just as long as it has just a little bit more significance than just the record / cd / tape spolls going round and round and round.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm...various stuff, i suppose...

- sometimes to empathise with the artist is a good thing. it's frequently heartening to hear the artist express exactly what is on my mind. often this would be just one line or couplet, so it can be interesting to twist the meaning of the rest of the lyric to see if it can fit in with my circumstances also.

-i travel quite a distance from home to college, so yes, i need something to pass time on the long journeys.

- often, i like the music to be an emotion-free zone. rather than be bombarded by more "emotion", sometimes i would like to hear something "cold". it's strangely soothing.

- often i like music to go to sleep to. this means inevitably i don't hear the end of these albums too often, but i have a real fondness for lullaby-ish stuff.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

not to hijack the thread but
momus perhaps you'd like to be
made aware of the following

from Q magazine :
'oskar tennis champion'
*** (3 stars)

now in 'folktronic' mode, nick currie is still the master
of weird, literary flights of fancy-optimistic communists
and sexual sewing machines both feature here. this time
though, there's more music hall pastiche, a nod to japan's
cornelius-associated shibuya-kei pop and a laptop overhaul
from michigan's emerging john talaga. as unique as ever.
(martin aston)

i remember the days when every momus
album got 4 stars in mark ellen's era.

piscesboy, Friday, 2 May 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

this is an insult. this album deserves 6 out of 5. it is, unquestionably, my finest work to date.

irate momus (moomus), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I find it hard to say, I can tell you why I like a particular thing, but not what I want things I've never heard to be like.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

sound good...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, "sound good" is the only 100% accurate answer i could really give. there's plenty i love that would fall outside the categories listed above.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

ruin my idea of what I want music to do.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

..drown out that bitch on the other side of the wall.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes, I want it to make me laugh at unexpected moments, so that the milk i was drinking comes out of my nose. But I don't want it to warn me of this in advance, as that would ruin the effect.

pauls00, Friday, 2 May 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus said it all: 'Search through the possibilities of freedom'. That nails it for me using very few words indeed.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Explain to myself what i want in music.

rexJr., Friday, 2 May 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Piscesboy for the Q review of 'Oskar Tennis Champion'. It didn't quite match the rhetoric of the Mojo review, which called me 'Britain's greatest living eyepatch-wearing songwriter', which I thought was a poke in the eye for Gabrielle.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus (Momus), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Just send me. Send me well. All I ask.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

But where, Ned?

Momus (Momus), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

If you have to ask, etc. More seriously: surely that's the point, though, Momus -- why assume one destination? And perhaps the process is more important in the end than the destination.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

(Packs Ned into The Mystery Rocket, seals hatch, wonders if Ned is really as happy as he looks.)

Momus (Momus), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't know, don't care, all I know is you can take me there. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

nah, i hear where ned is coming from. and that can be important -- the trip itself, which can even be better when the destination is the last place you expected to wind up.

jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

- Kick Me in the Teeth, Grab me by the Scalp and Drag Me `Round the Room.

- Transport me to alternate dimensions where emotions bloom in bright, narcotic colors and there are no clocks.

- Magikally re-conjure favorable events in my mind.

- Drown out the vaccuous bleating of whisteheaded cheesemonkeys.

- Make my wife happy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Just get me off. (interpret as you wish)

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I want it to make work sound like play and death sound like life.

Barring that, I want it to always be close at hand.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock me like a hurricane. Or at least like a tropical depression.

Nick Mirov (nick), Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Not about music, but applies manifestly:

"I demand that a film express either the joy of making cinema or the agony of making cinema. I am not at all interested in anything in between."

--Francois Truffaut

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I want it to create worlds for me. Some of these worlds are new, which is great. Others are long-colonised by older or parallel me's, which is also great. Some turn out to be ruled by a dictatorship of latterday Q writers, which is less great.

(There's an assumption in some replies that the qn is "What do you want music you've never heard to do?". I'm also interested in "What do you want a record you've heard 1000 times to do the 1001st time?")

I also want it to entertain and delight me. Experience has shown that funny noises, catchy hooks and good jokes help here.

I was going to say something glib about ass-shaking but I don't dance all that much. I also love rhythmic records, though. Maybe I like how rhythm is time's pitiless dominatrix, and without it my life would become more of a flabby drift. I'm probably only thinking like that because "Dr Mabuse" is on the stereo.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 3 May 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I was cleaning my room last night going through old leaflets, filers, and various scraps of paper. I came across the program for the University of Michigan's Immedia Festival 2003. I was reading through it and came across this statement:

...the immedia community exhibits the best of such art,
eschewing reckless application of powerful technology in favor of
electronic art which seeks deeper understandings of technology's
relationship with art and life in contemporary society.

I thought to myself that it would make a great 12" etching if you were to change the statement to: I demand the reckless application of powerful technology.

I went to this conference and sat by myself to hear a lecture by Kit Clayton and to see an audiovisual installation with his girlfriend Sue Constabile. While I was there I was literally appalled by the installation itself and the attitude of the audience in their personal conversations. The vibe was smug and pretentious without the content or spark to back it up. It was a celebration of white midwestern bourgeois electro-mediocrity.

It was a gathering of people who had refused to admit that the 90's had ended and that the promise of digital media was not going to be fulfilled. It was like these people refused to take into account that the evil old white men were winning and that things are not getting better. You can gaze endlessly into your .gif files about nothing and listen intently to the random noise of your elegantly crafted MAX/MSP control structures, but how does that connect into the larger picture of American life in the beginning of the 21st century?

I want to hear records that smash apart the smary self-assured provincial boredom of upper-middle class IT professionals who are "slumming it" the greater world of popular culture. I demand technology be used ruthlessly to destroy all notions of geography, class, race, and gender. I do not want warm, kind, elegant music; I want a soundtrack to the promise of a new century being ripped apart before our eyes. I want a music about poverty, dirty air, isolation, escapism, constriction, dislocation and despair.

I want the 20th century ripped apart and pillaged without regard to classification or hierarchy. I want a record that contains homo-disco, 60's jazz, amphetamine-fueled backwoods rockabilly, academic electronic music, acid house, hillbilly blues, bedroom synth noir, 70's commercial pop, dream pop, post-punk, and soul. I want all those elements jammed into a ford fiesta with a full gas tank that has been steam-catapulted off the deck of an aircraft carrier into a brick wall at 600mph. I want that wreckage to form the crucible of a new music that will be the blueprint for 2026 and not an updated variation of 19fucking83.

I demand that all of this be accomplished on the most shitty-consumer grade audio equipment available in the bedroom of a teenager. I want it fast, dynamic, tasteless, offensive, cheap, nasty, and most importantly, it not sound anything like fucking gutter garridge. I want uplifting horror on a record that will grab you in the hips, shake you, and throw you into a wall. Any notions of taste, art, beauty, and humanity must be stripped out in difference to an all out dash towards visceral raw velocity.

I want 2026 handed to me on a plate in 2003, and I want it yesterday.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 4 May 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I want a record that contains homo-disco, 60's jazz, amphetamine-fueled backwoods rockabilly, academic electronic music, acid house, hillbilly blues, bedroom synth noir, 70's commercial pop, dream pop, post-punk, and soul.

Yeah, but the problem is you mention that to people and you're bound to get somebody saying, "But Beck already did that!" And then you have to hate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 May 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

but Beck took the idea and made it safe for Starbucks. I don't want the Norah Jones version of this.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I am in full agreement.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd quite like the Norah Jones version. i can't imagine her on speed.

gaz (gaz), Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Mike you just described Tigerbeat6

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

advertise beer

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Put me in a state of heavenly bliss. Or make me emotionally vulnerable in some way.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

In some respects I can see the comparison, but I don't think so. I want the collision of styles to come from the underlying musical structures of the different genres rather than just taking Hank Williams, Missy Elliot, Mingus, and 23skiddo samples and sound hacking them on a laptop.

I am not really into the splatter breaks sample aethetic; I am looking for something more rooted in the contrast between sequenced electronics and physical interaction. Heavily treated traditional instruments, plus found/improvised instruments plus electronics. Instead of just sampling a record, I would rather get the musical and productions idioms behind that record, and smash those ideas into other records in a trashy art-punk sort of way.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I want a soundtrack to the promise of a new century being ripped apart before our eyes. I want a music about poverty, dirty air, isolation, escapism, constriction, dislocation and despair.

mike - were you around & listening in the late 70's?

from '77 to about mid '81 that's pretty much what i wanted, and the promise of something like that was floating about - work of that period you might like: some TG, some CV, Ubu's 1st 2 albums & datapanik ep, Chrome's 2nd & 3rd albums & ROM ep
on the more conventional side -> low, the idiot, heroes

(much of the CV stuff, of course, has been prey to ham-fisted thud-mongers and skitter-merchants
but they helped bring that about themselves)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Sunday, 4 May 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

oh

to save me from the fearful silence

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Sunday, 4 May 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with Jeanne - just get me off.

luna (luna.c), Sunday, 4 May 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

-Scare my pets
-Demonstrate to me the cutting edge of history.
-Discorporate my current sensibility.
-Give me a sense of superiority over people I probably won't meet.
-Expose me and everyone within earshot to brutality. (read: my cars sound system)
-Make other people think I'm more refined, intelligent. (read: Play mozart when I'm entertaining guests, Xtina when I'm alone.)
-Cover the noise coming from inside my own head.
-Cover embarrassing sounds made in the bathroom.
-Teach me how to impliment 'the revolution'.
-Desconstruct my unconscious emotional life with shrieks and wails and gnashing of teeth. (read: Nü-Metal! Nü-Metal! Nü-Metal! and Barry Manilow Records. As if these were two different things.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 4 May 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

-Create rich new worlds in my imagination.

that sounds good. in addition:

-to tell stories about death and pain and agony that i can pick out on my guitar (alas, i cannot find the folk ballads i want).
-to be so unique and different that i can listen to it over and over for a month straight

Maria (Maria), Sunday, 4 May 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Soar plummet surge love hate alienate integrate distract engage enrage flirt tease strip kiss kick cajole hector inspire deaden resent rebel conform confirm affirm reaffirm shift slow stop surprise

and repeat

Jamie Conway (Jamie Conway), Sunday, 4 May 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i seek songs i can sing along to (that is perfect for my register).

and i third the "create new worlds in my imagination" thing.

Lid, Sunday, 4 May 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

pay for my house and put my kids through college

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 4 May 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i want music to eat a dick.

di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 4 May 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm apparently the only person who doesn't want to be beaten and fucked by my music.

I want cool sounds that make me feel something new. If everyone's going to hear it, it'd better make them hold hands and sing along and be happy and shit.

Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 4 May 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Reaffirming what I said above (and I just went on about this on another thread) -- "Intro/Walk on Water" by Men Without Hats *sends* me, in more ways than I can describe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 May 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Mike I rilly liked the first half of that screed immensely -- dead on re: digital art, etc., but was coming up with the Beck/Tigerbeat jokes too by the time I reached the end.

Anyway, I want music to excite me in places I didn't know existed.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 5 May 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i want it to vibrate the air molecules around my head and create sensations on my ear drums that get amplified into something i like </stoic>

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 May 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

sterling your answer sounds somewhat culinary

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 May 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going for sexual, but what the hell...

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 5 May 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I like music to eat a dick and drink beer at the same time.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 5 May 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Re; Ned's journey.

"To travel hopefully is better than to arrive." Robert Louis Stevenson, as I remember.

Is that the kind of thing, Neddy?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 5 May 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio in Yeah Yeah Yeahs big ups shocker!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 May 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Neddy does not exist, dear sweet cute widdle Nicky Nickling. ;-)

With that established -- that could apply, yes, but the hope can also be where you find it, and can often come by surprise (though the surprise itself can be hoped for in turn).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 May 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I want for music to give me nostalgia!!!!

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 5 May 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

For an age yet to come?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 May 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"advertise beer"

Has anyone heard the Flock of Seagulls: "this bud's for you" song. New wave never sold beer better. (this is a co-post with the What song is most synonymous with "the eighties?" thread)

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 5 May 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"For an age yet to come? "

yes

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 5 May 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

If music can't get me through the day then it did not do its job....
http://www.dickflash.com/phpBB2/images/avatars/gallery/misc/haywoodolder.jpg

Roman (Roman), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i want it to make me get up, basically; it doesn't mean i actually do get up but i like the feeling.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

To keep me entertained at a subconsious level while in a grocery store or riding in a elevator.

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

These last two posts were beautiful posts.

Adam A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)


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