Bands who give other members a go at singing

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It always puzzles me why Belle and Sebastian (who have a fantastic singer in Stuart Murdoch) persist in handing over the microphone to the other bloke and Isobel Campbell, neither of whom (to my ears anyway) can sing. The last album (Fold Your Arms....) was running along just fine for a couple of tracks whereupon the other chap pops up singing in a deep voice 'Jesus was walking with a heavy load' and bingo, I'm listening to an amateur production of Joseph and His Amazing Techniclour Dreamcoat, and instantly I knew this was not going to be a classic album. Why do they do it? Is it democracy gone mad? Are there other groups who do this too?

Kim Tortoise, Friday, 2 May 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

oasis. why does pedestrian noel take occasional vocal duties, when they have a truly great rock'n'roll singer?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Interesting. One of the things that's always puzzled me about Oasis (apart from the level of their popularity that is) is why they ever let that bellowing, half-witted, buffoon Liam sing, when Noel's voice is actually far more expressive!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

That odd feeling of sharing and the need to not seem like a glutton for attention sometimes tramples over artistic common sense.

Roman (Roman), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

To answer the question properly, Colin Moulding sings occasionally for XTC and Steve Diggle does so for Buzzcocks - in both cases ususually the songs they've contributed to the band - and personally I think in both cases it makes for a greater range and variety in the band's material.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

*gasps*

more expressive? liam's voice has an incredible texture, noel sounds like a busker.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i still say (the Stevie Jackson-penned) "seymour stein" is the best belle and sebastian song.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like it when bands do this, but at the moment I'm listening to 154 by Wire, where it's really not seeming such a good idea.

Ferg (Ferg), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't the idea on "FYHCYWLAP" to prove, contrary to press reports, that Belle and Sebastian isn't Stuard Murdoch's "thing", with other people just filling in his vision?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

the beatles should never have let ringo near the mic. even if it was only for the silly throwaway numbers.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I have never liked hearing Mike Mills sing .. except now that Mike Stipe only whines, Mills might be preferable.


..And Yo La Tengo proves that it can be done well.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

''Wasn't the idea on "FYHCYWLAP" to prove, contrary to press reports, that Belle and Sebastian isn't Stuard Murdoch's "thing", with other people just filling in his vision?''


Fair enough, but I always assume the rest of the band has some musical input anyway(unless they're a session band) without them having to sing!!!! Jarvis Cocker and Neil Hannon don't do this for instance.

Kim Tortoise, Friday, 2 May 2003 11:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Mo Tucker for the Velvets gets the thumbs up whereas The Jam fronted by Bruce Foxton was a bit much

Robert Moore (treble), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"..And Yo La Tengo proves that it can be done well."

Indeed. i would cite teenage fanclub as a good example of democracy working well, too.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

The Jam fronted by Bruce Foxton
..mmmpphhh.. Oh, please stop! It hurts to laugh so hard in the morning...

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Simonon doing Guns of Brixton was a good effort - couldn't sing for toffee mind. Coxon taking the mic over from Albarn ? should've left it to his oh so patchy solo stuff. Richards got a few turns when Mick let him. Teenage Fanclub have a far more democratic outlook.

Robert Moore (treble), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I think of it, the Blue Aeroplanes used to let Rodney Allen sing on the odd track to quite good effect, not that Gerard Langley was exactly singing in the first place. And I'll second XTC as a good example of it working but I'm not relenting on Belle and Sebastian though. Seymour Stein, the best track? Surely not.

Kim Tortoise, Friday, 2 May 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve Diggle and Clint Conley wasn't the primary songwriter/singer in either of their bands, but I think that they wrote my favorite songs.

Diggle - Buzzcocks - "Autonomy"
Conley - Mission of Burma - "That's When I Reach for My Revolver"

Lee Ranaldo's speak singing is much prefered to Kim Gordon when she starts wailing like she has her foot caught in a trap. "Hey Joni" and "Eric's Trip" are two of my favorite Sonic Youth songs.

As for REM, the thing I think some of their later songs really misses is how they would arrange some songs where Stipe, Mills and Bill Berry would all sing like on "Fall On Me" or "Harbourcoat". It was one of most distinctive things about their sound and it has been for the most part abandoned.

Worse case scenario was when they let the old bass player from Soundgarden sing. That one song on Ultramega OK really sucks.

earlnash, Friday, 2 May 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

.. aye, Rodney Allen - good call.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Husker Du shared a good policy of splitting up the vocal duties. Don't know if the moustached bass player if ever got a look in though ?

Robert Moore (treble), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

the rolling stones/keith richard/SO WAY-THE-FUCK BETTER than the other guy

duane, Friday, 2 May 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

reference: "You Shouldn't Take it So Hard" Whiskey & Cigarettes is so much more Rock & Roll than aerobics.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah "talk is cheap" is a GREAT record, most of it anyway. B&S were ALWAYS emphasising their democracy, weren't they? All the interviews I read, anyway. It sort of ruined them.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 May 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Ed O'Brien should take lead vocals on a Radiohead number, he's got a lovely voice.

leigh (leigh), Friday, 2 May 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 2 May 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still chuckling over the description of Stuart Murdoch as a "fantastic singer". I actually think Richie Furay was the best singer in Buffalo Springfield, I don't think Neil Young had got his vocal chops together yet and Steve Stills' voice has never been any good.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 May 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Teenage Fanclub - with rare exceptions, Raymond shouldn't be allowed to sing lead. He writes some good songs, but his voice is too whiny.

I think Greg Norton sang on at least one Husker Du B-side - one of the singles from "Warehouse" if I remember correctly. Not very successful.

Andrew Norman, Friday, 2 May 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Brian May and Roger Taylor were excellent singers and great songwriters.

ss, Friday, 2 May 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Kiss seemed to insist on it, despite the slightly less than stellar vocal talents of Ace Frehley.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beach Boys were all good singers, why were none of them in the studio when 'A Day in the Life of a Tree' was recorded.

rw, Friday, 2 May 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

clint conley sang just as much as roger miller, i think. or at least close enough.

peter prescott sang the least - only on "learn how" as far as i can remember.

j fail (cenotaph), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Judah Bauer kicks ass on JSBX's cover of Dub Narcotic's "Fuck Shit Up", that said, as 20 Miles proves, Bauer's voice is pretty limited.

Both Andy Wranch (guit) and Joe Patt (drums) sang in the sorely missed Them Wranch, one of the best rock/roll/garage/whatever bands of the 90s. It was fan-fuckin-tastic. Seriously.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The only thing ...And You Will Know Us by Our Stupid Name have going for them is their drummer. I'll never understand why they'd ever let him sing and put the front guy behind the drums.

mte, Friday, 2 May 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The Pixies - La, La Love You (drummer David Lovering)
The Cars - Drive and Just What I Needed (bassist Benjamin Orr)
and alluded to above... Husker Du - Acutal Condition (bassist Greg Norton)

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins--Daydream (bassist D'arcy)
too many reggae vocal combos to mention

buttch (Oops), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Kitchens of Distinction let guitarist Julian Swales sing the closing number on The Death of Cool, "Couldn't Trust the Waves," and while his voice was unnervingly Sting-like in ways, it was actually a beautiful way to wrap up the album.

Rob Morgan of the Squirrels has a couple of good singers in the regular lineup like Joey Kline and they take appropriate bows as needed.

Depeche Mode if only Dave Gahan sang -- would still be great and all. Depeche Mode with both Dave and Martin Gore singing -- damn well heaven on earth. (Admittedly it's more Martin give himself a go but anyway.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cars - Drive and Just What I Needed (bassist Benjamin Orr)

Surely Orr sang more that just those two songs. One could also argue he had a superior voice to Rik O's.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Depeche Mode - though, when they have such a great vocalist in Martin Gore, why they lett Gahan sing is beyond me.

All my favourite DM songs are sung by Martin Gore.... A Question of Lust, Somebody, Home......

russ t, Friday, 2 May 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave Gedge foolishly let fly-by-night erstwhile bass player Darrin somebody sing the acutely embarassing (as in, it's so embarassing that your bodily literally cringes forward at an acute angle) "Shake It" on the otherwise unimpeachable Watusi. Somewhat unsurprisingly, the bass player in question was not with the band for long.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Depeche Mode

Hey now, Russ, read above. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, Ned - all that talk of Quoasis above made me doze off and miss your post.

Gahan's voice on Freelove is beautiful, actually. But Gore still has more range and passion.

russ t, Friday, 2 May 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Lee Thompson (the sax player) sang on 'Razor Blade Alley' from Madness's first album. One of the better songs on the record, but he was a bit crap when he sung it live.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Lee Ranaldo's songs in Sonic Youth. Especially the surreal, boho poetry of "Skip Tracer" on Washing Machine ("Twister, dust-buster, hospital bed!")

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Aerosmith - "Bright Light Fright" from Draw the Line is sung by Joe Perry.

Black Sabbath - "Swinging the Chain" from Never Say Die is sung by Bill Ward (!).

Jimi Hendrix Experience - "She's So Fine" from Axis: Bold as Love and "Little Miss Strange" from Electric Ladyland both sung by Noel Redding.

Then you've got the (bad) Creedence Clearwater Revival Mardi Gras album where Fogerty let Cook and Clifford take turns singing a couple tunes.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh la la...

The Goo Goo Dolls will occasionally let the fat non-poster boy bass player sing. It worked when they were still a garage punk type band, not nearly as well now that they're now the VH1 Artist of the Month Goo Goo Dolls.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I can imagine a Beatles where George Harrison got to sing & write a much larger portion than he did. I like that Beatles SO. MUCH. MORE.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, the revival of that Doors thread reminds me of Ray Manzarek's pointless turn at the mic on "Close to You" from Absolutely Live.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Ferg, you're bonkers. The Graham Lewis tracks on 154 are great, esp. "The Other Window".
"Texarkana" by REM is my favourite song of theirs.

Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh God - whoever gave Robby Krieger permission to sing on "Running Blue"? He's so feeble he could get a job singing in Belle & Sebastian.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ferg, you're bonkers. The Graham Lewis tracks on 154 are great, esp. "The Other Window".

"The Other WIndow" was Bruce Gilbert but, agreed, Graham Lewis on 154 is great.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Bridget Cross used to get a token song or two on whatever album she was recording with Mark Robinson. In these situations, it always struck me as a gesture of appeasement, a way to assuage the ego of a less-than-equal partner.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Bridget Cross used to get a token song or two on whatever album she was recording with Mark Robinson. In these situations, it always struck me as a gesture of appeasement, a way to assuage the ego of a less-than-equal partner.

"June"?! "Seabird"?! "Light Command"?! "AFTERNOON TRAIN"?!!! (look at my email address) Sorry, I disagree. "June" is one of the best Unrest tracks ever.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

And you have every right to disagree. I'm not saying June is a bad song, I quite like it, but in general I prefer Robinson's singing. I tend to find the tracks that Cross voices a bit plodding, especially on that Air Miami album, and just skip on by.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, IS that Creedence record bad. If Fogerty had sung
lead vocals it still would have sucked, but at least we would
have been spared the inhumane shrieking of his bandmates.

On the Oasis issue, I can't imagine those songs without
Liam, but Noel does have a nice voice. Keep in mind that
Oasis are thoroughly forgettable, but _Be Here Now_ was the
first CD I personally bought, so I have a soft spot for
these guys.

I'd proffer The Band as an example of 1. not only does the
democratic process work well but 2. the drummer actually has
the best and most expressive voice.


Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I can imagine a Beatles where George Harrison got to sing & write a much larger portion than he did. I like that Beatles SO. MUCH.
MORE.

oh yeah, it's a testament to Georgie's easy-goingness that he put up with being sub-Ringo for so long. I find his stuff a lot more, uh, engaging than I do the L/M (or M/L these days) stuff. But that could also be because my mom played the shit out of the L/M stuff when I was growing up, so to me, the Beatles have always been sort of in the same category as Raffi and nursery rhymes.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

that other bloke in the kinks was pretty boring

minna (minna), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The Fall, Brix sings on "vixen" which is great and whoever sings on "hands up billy" with MES, probably someone from The Unutterable lineup. And of course MY Bloody Valentine.

rexJr., Friday, 2 May 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Ed O'Brien should take lead vocals on a Radiohead number, he's got a lovely voice.

You just know that when Radiohead break up, Ed O'Brien is going to pull a Dave Grohl, start a straight ahead rock band, and they will sound like a darker version of Coldplay. You just know it.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins TS: Billy Corgan vs. James Iha

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 2 May 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, rexJr., it's YOUR Bloody Valentine, is it?

I agree with XTC being an example where this works, although I think their idea isn't "we're letting Ringo sing" -- more, "we're Lennon and McCartney". Also I think the quality of Colin Moulding's (singing/songwriting) contributions has fallen rather precipitously off while Andy Partridge still strikes gold now and then.

More Bands That Should Know Better:
The Loud Family, Everything But the Girl

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 3 May 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"fallen rather precipitously off" wtf? Please substitute "fallen off rather precipitously"

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 3 May 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

It was Bruce Gilbert? Sorry. I haven't looked at the liner notes for years!

Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 3 May 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

that other bloke in the kinks was pretty boring

dave davies, do you mean? i kinda like his singing ... a nice counterpoint to his bro's.

then there was the bassist guy (NOT pete quaife, but quaife's replacement) who sang "willesden green." AFAIK, the only time he sang on any Kinks song.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 3 May 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, rexJr., it's YOUR Bloody Valentine, is it?
hehe, sorry didn't notice that typo.

rexJr., Saturday, 3 May 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be quite happy if Noel kicked Liam out of Oasis for good and sang (and wrote) all of the songs himself. Several of the Noel-sung b-sides from Heathen Chemistry are superior to tracks that made the album.

Graham Coxon's turns at the mic on Blur and 13 strike me as the high point of those albums.

John Hunter, Saturday, 3 May 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)


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