Foxy Brown: Ill Na Na 2: The Fever!!!

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Let's all talk about this album, which isn't released yet but of which copies are floating around.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounds so vicious and minimal, but not like grindin' in-yr-face noize, just burbling whispered menace. The production on "jumpin" almost feels microhousey, tight and introverted and foxy rocks the jamaica thing more than ever.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"open book" is sped-up-soul meets todd-edwards vocalsplice like how blaze tweaked it on cam'ron's "dead or alive".

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i hear edwards in open book too

― minna (minna), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(that's all ive heard so far)

― minna (minna), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"now i lay me down to sleep": depressingly fanfareish and conventional roc-by-the-numbers. but fox's flow is so addictive here anyway, the way she draws and cuts on the last syllables, more ragga-inflected then ever without copping the patois.

"never try my job/i confide in god and almost effortless/simply defy the odds/with the best they placin'/will i able to succeed/and lyrically exceed my expectations"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"we makin' it" is bumpin' funk, trumping "bouncin' back" for sure, especially coz foxy's voice holds it down instead of letting it swing too far loose. Lyrically I don't think she'll be able top "broken silence" though, coz she's not bringing the tortured persona-narrative the same way.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

on magnetic though -- check this.

"actin' all thirsty/hope to not irk me/tits are still perky/skin is still hershey/yes i'm well known to flip fast/yes i still shop on fifth ave/we toured out/that's what we all 'bout/kevin leore'd out/christian dior'd out/my shades is all chanelled up and/the beat is all pharelled up and/my words is what explains my mind/i'm here i'm back again the game is mine."

damn.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"streets love me" comes back with that exotic-tinged Broken Silence production.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"memory lane" is the best use of a biggie sample yet, and the sweetest sideswipe at lil' kim foxy's ever made -- "i know my fans wanted the battle i fought / but understand man i keep her breathing / i'm her life support"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"magnetic" does the 80s throwback a lot better than Kim's paul revere throw back and it's probably one of the less obviously-Neptunes-so-refreshing Neptunes joints. yeah "Jumpin" is great too. also.. she seems to sound like the female Jay-z on here.

― Honda (Honda), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"all my life" -- foxy hits the ominous ballads like nobody else.

(oh & honda she flowed totally like jay-z back on the original Ill Na Na -- I think he even penned some verses for her)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It might grow on my but for now the less said about "I Need a Man" the better.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

that's true i suppose w/ "I'll Be" linking them up. I was listening to it the other day actually but not in light of this one. but i mean, the ragga and her delivery seems to have more gusto now, like more of scoff in her step so that its like she's doing the whole crown-me-god thing if not to a greater degree, at least more convincingly.

― Honda (Honda), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, penned "some" verses for her back then?

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay fine you sexist jerk she's the courtney to his kurt, is that what you mean?

like a woman can't ever have any talent of her own?

/trife

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i heard patti smith had all her stuff written for her by lenny kaye too!!! but they needed some sex appeal to sell it.

and alicia, vanessa carlton, they're all so fake -- dirty 50 year old men write their songs, didn't you know, and teenage girls are all so stupid they buy it ANYWAY.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

keep ridin' that preemptive strike Sterling

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

what? you want a piece of me too john? lybia, syria, darn1elle i'm comin' for you ALL.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

'we makin' it' ....... 'magnetic' ......... 'streets love me' ..... 'open book' ...'i need a man'..... are good. 'open book' especially.

she doesn't have much of a variety in her flow..... the only changes are fast---slow (and dancehall-y, i guess)..... a lot it doesn't sound like the vocal matches the track. and that was on the other one, too. the other cd. like, 'why why why,' she's going so slow. that's not really true. but there's something wrong with most of it. but i like a lot of it, so it's not that bad. i don't know what to say.

it's------------- the single will be good and the video.

― d k (d k), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, it's just a pretty well known fact is all. it's reality that you're accusing of sexism, not me. but even so, he wrote for Ma$e too, so it's hardly about that. step off.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I need another red bull man. I mean these things just get me so focused.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, for serious, is there any documentation that Jay wrote more than "some" of Foxy's early stuff for her (like, I guess, "all" or something)? Coz I've read foxy's interviews where she talks about both him and puffy writing stuff for her sometimes, but never seen it documented that they wrote even most of it -- and certainly by the time of Broken Silence she was straight doing her own thing.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, admittedly, I don't know a lot of particulars, besides the obvious ones (I'll Be, Ain't No, etc.), but I was under the impression that Jay wrote quite a bit for her (as well as a lot of other people) circa Ill Na Na. but yeah, definitely by Broken Silence, she had taken more control (and he was making enough with his own records that he'd pretty much stopped ghostwriting anyway). i really haven't followed her career that closely, though. and documentation on ghostwriting is, i'd guess, hard to come by. i mean, it's a pain in the ass enough to even look up online who produced what track.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Looking at my Ill Na Na album credits now (man these things are a MESS) and jay is credited with "Get Me Home" "If I..." "Ill Na Na" "I'll Be" and "Foxy's Bells" which leaves from Foxy:

"Letter To The Firm" "The Promise" "The Chase" "No One's" and "Fox Boogie"

which cuts it at an even 50/50 split tho jay's tracks obv. include more hits. but for what its worth Letter and Fox Boogie are two of my faves. If you listen real close you can tell how foxy's style and jay's are totally different -- even back then her own material had an island twang, moved slightly slower -- less spring and more tempered, tended towards more closed nasal prolonged vowels to close the lines than jay's. also the lines are of more erratic length, pulling in more often for a set of short tight rhymes. by now its even clearer that fox is generally a more intense storyteller than jay partly coz she puts narrative over consistent popping rhythm (tho unfortunately The Fever isn't as compelling here as Broken Silence).

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 8 May 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

Is this coming out?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 5 October 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

sixteen years pass...

Ill Nope Nope

― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 23:00 (five years ago)

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