this is the thread where the ILM massive teach mark s a *LESSON*

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hi i'm mark s and ~~you suck~~ i don't post on ILM as much as a year or two back, bcz it is very extremely time-consuming as much as anything else

anyway, this is the thread where those of you who know me and (equally important) those of you who DON'T post suggestions of songs or records which you think will CHANGE THE WAY I THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING, or anyway some small thing abt something

eg something you think i can't ever have heard, given my ridiculous stances on this or that
or something you think i might have heard but never listened to properly
or whatever
or just things you think i will like, or hate entertainingly, or whatever, it's all good

just cz it's ridiculously famous or canonic, don't assume i've heard it: i am lazy and perverse

give reasons if you like, of a kind to ensnare or madden me, who knows, it might hop you up the queue?

i. if i already own the song/record, i will dig it out and write something abt what i used to think of it/now think of it
ii. if i don't i will try and hunt it down, unless someone wishes to provide it by the magic of the interweb
iii. i am away from tomorrow for a week, which gives us all plenty of time ~~for this dumb idea to vanish~~ to come up with stuff maybe

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

(ps you needn't bother with Metal Machine Music, bcz ever since i first posted on ILM i have not been able to find it) (unless you know who i lent it to...)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

You can borrow my copy, Mark. Cause I still haven't been allowed to listen to it anywhere, and I can hardly go listening to it at work, now, can I?

― kate, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

yes kate but mine is/was on vinyl and it is totally difft apparently :(

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"Intervision" by Jimi Tenor is a fantastic album. It changed my life in a very small, but tangible, way. Have you heard it, Mark?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

There should be more music from Finland. (even though Jimi has left now)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

What do you think of Robert Palmer? Specifically, the Clues album.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

ASTRAL WEEKS!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

killing joke.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"astral weeks" wz the "perfect teeth" of its day

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

lp or song, jess

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you need to listen to 'live/dead' by the grateful dead (you have said that you have never heard the dead and keep putting it off).

you must also listen to my captain beefheart cassette (w/extra track). this is v urgent and key.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

the Skeptics - Amalgam

― Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

haha rumbled

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

you must listen to the 'incredible string band' because I have.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haha julio yes good point, where the hell is it?

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000026QJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg????

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

''haha julio yes good point, where the hell is it?''

ha! I have heard and treasured your wonderful ut cassette. you have lost my one. that is not nice.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Philistines Jr - Continuing Struggle of/Sinking of the SS Danehower/Analog vs Digital. I like them, coz I sorta empathise with them, and it's the most 'me' music I've heard, they only sing about science, spies and their friends. I dunno if you'd like them, but I could make you a CD if you like. There is one MP3 on their website. But, Mark, I don't really know what you like.

Otherwise, what do you think of Helloween's "Keeper of the Seven Keys PartII"?

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Bakhtin -- The Dialogic Imagination (but you read it, you don't listen). The quote I threw down on the Disco Tex thread should whet yr. appetite.

Also just out of curiosity -- have you ever actually listened to gutter-garage or 2-step or microhouse or the other things the nu-dance massive goes on about? Also, the whole of Ludacris' Southern Hospitality album.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"you cannot tidy a world-historical archive without entirely misplacing the one thing of value in it" — tolstoy

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"where did i put my socks?" --tolstoy

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, the whole of Ludacris' Southern Hospitality album.

Yes indeed.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

(sterling assume i have NOT and suggest away)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(one of the purposes of this exercise will be to test my "retrieval system" whereby everything actually in the house is (supposedly) not stuck behind something else, and therefore findable...)

(julio's tape he of course failed to LABEL hence its lamentable non to-handness so far)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The 2-step comp to get = Ministry of Sound's Ayia Napa 2000
The gutter-garage one = (unf. I have no good answer coz the MC Garage one isn't all that, but can supply you with mp3s of the l8st & gr8st -- email me)
The microhouse one = M. Mayer's Immer, or Kompakt's Total 3.

(this is all pretty much ILX conventional wisdom I think)

Also the whole of Jay-Z's "Vol 3: The Life and Times of S. Carter"

I recommend all of these because they somehow seem outside the universe of yr. ken and methods of discussion (except the Bakhtin which seems like it provides an elusive framework of sorts to the universe of yr. ken)

[haha -- the universe of ken = the pink dream house and that's IT!]1

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd500/d563/d5630223g40.jpg

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

U2 - "New Year's Day": At this moment, I think this is one of the greatest postpunk singles - without a doubt, the greatest post-Joy Division postpunk single for reasons given in the linked thread. You can do the whole War album if you like. I know you hate U2 and am curious how far it extends and why.

Also, what do you think of "That Song" by Big Wreck?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I really only know for a fact that you enjoy Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Xenakis, so I will recommend the electro-acoustic vampire music of Igor Wakhevitch. Any album will do. But the Hot Boy$ are good too.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The Clash.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

lp or song, shakey

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"Should I Say Yes" by Nu Shooz just because it's so damn cute.

― s woods, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The Mothers of Invention - Freak Out

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, I'm just being snarky, mark... but in all seriousness I nominate my most recent cause celebre: Johnny Otis "Castin' My Spell". Although how I could facilitate yr hearing I'm not sure, since I don't have an MP3, and I'm guessing you don't own it...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The Exploding Hearts -- "Guitar Romantic", out on Dirtnap Records.

in particular, the song, "Rumours in Town".

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

(one of the purposes of this exercise will be to test my "retrieval system" whereby everything actually in the house is (supposedly) not stuck behind something else, and therefore findable...)

haha welcome to my life

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Chequered Past!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

CHEQUERED PAST
Chequered Past (EMI America) 1984

trouser press sez:

Although listening to this run-of-the-mill Bad Company arena rock may not, a glance at the credits indicates why Chequered Past was one of the most depressing groups/albums of recent years. Clem Burke and Nigel Harrison (both ex-Blondie) and Steve Jones (ex-Pistols) formed three-fifths of the band, proving conclusively that even talented new wavers, no matter how idealistic and rebellious, were merely a few years away from becoming just as bogus as the musicians they originally set out to dethrone.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

yur better off with the rich kids and the professionals

― scott seward, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ex-treme Dating" - like a regular dating show except that one of the daters has two exes in a nearby media van watching every move of his date via closed-circuit TV. The two exes are equipped with microphones that lead directly to an ear-bud in the OTHER dater's ear, and they are allowed to be totally merciless - "ha ha that's a LIE" or "ask him about the thing on his butt" or "he is totally looking at the waitress!!" At the end of the date the daters part ways, give their little spiel about how they think things went, and then a limo pulls up: inside is either the date, or if she/he decided "ixnay" the door opens up and it's the two exes, laughing and pointing!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

whisper in ear-bud: "this is i love music, you ignoramus!"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer totally seconded -- also Jillian Barbierie who Blount notwithstanding still comes off as the most clever and licka.. ahem, likable host on TV.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you should listen more with your heart chakra.

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Triple R, Friends, which is like Immer except REALLY FUN

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes, Friends is very great.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

B-but Matos, the last thing mark needs is more *fun*.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(well, it's not like the Cooler Kids or anything, but still)

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Raoul Duguay - "La bitt a tibi" - great mid-70s psych-folk radio hit from Quebec. I can get you the MP3, or burn it to CD for you - just write me.

― Patrick, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://missoula.bigsky.net/jennaiel/WeArepages/WeAreImages/noreally.gif

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

''(julio's tape he of course failed to LABEL hence its lamentable non to-handness so far)''

so how abt looking for the tape that isn't labelled.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 67 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Mark, did you ever listen to the Rough Guide tape I sent you (A Rough Guide to Music the Rough Guide Wouldn't Touch with a Ten-Foot Pole)? Not that I'd expect it to change you, but I want to know who you think rocks harder, Celine or LeAnn.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i only ever listen to things i think i'm going to write about (this isn't true)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

do da real one next

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

trife has it on vinyl

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i told mark i would make a tape for him next after minnas dirty south tape!! if he cant find da real one and limp bizkit by then i will put them both on!!

― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 9 June 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

teaching mark s a *LESSON* response one: ZAPPA

teaching mark s a *LESSON* response two: DE LA SOUL

teaching mark s a *LESSON* response three: FUNKADELIC

(i'm gonna try and do some nice short ones next)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 15 June 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

teaching mark s a *LESSON* response four: LOUIS PRIMA

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 22 June 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

(this is not defunct just helladelayed btw as i have an actual real project w.a deadline)

response five = tyrannosaurus rex/unicorn but don't hold yr breath (sorry lady lurex)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Fun fact re 'my' submission - it's not produced by Sandy Pearlman

― dave q, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

So are you grooving on the new Tull XMAS album, Dave?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.stalk.net/paradigm/images/06.jpg

― NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

NRBQ
Ted Hawkins
The Soul Rebels
All three will make you think about music...differently

― Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Thursday, 27 November 2003 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...

having good reasons doesn't stop me feeling bad abt how this got sidelined :(

i still hope to return and deliver smore one day

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 09:56 (twenty years ago)

If I can get my tape deck working properly, I will try to do you a tape of those I cite above. And maybe some other people's, if I have room and the tunes. It'll be an enjoyable tape even if you don't write about it.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 September 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago)

Of the tracks nominated I can only find Shaky Mo's Johnny Otis and Ethan's Limp Bizkit/Method Man choices. And I'll add something by the Rebirth Brass Band, suggested by Jordan, too.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 September 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago)

i have limp bizkit/method man

also i have access to slsk these days!! i am currently d/l-ing yard on yard of gryphon!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Heavens, man, if you have slsk and need music we shall provide.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago)

listen to duane's album.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 September 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago)

Helloween.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

i. dear god it is nearly two years since i started this project
ii. i have still not tracked down my vinyl copy of metal machine music = am still not free of the tug of ilm
iii. lady di if you are reading i have not forgotten
iv. i have been kinda busy w.this and that, and this looks likely to continue BUT i really do plan to hack a few more of these, but i nthe meantime
v. HAPPY NEW YEAR PALS and FOES alike!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

i. hi mark!!
ii. happy 2005 to you too!
iii. update yr blog too if you get the time please!

― m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 1 January 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

update on its way (er prob not today tho)!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

i. happy new year mark.
ii. I read yr book and enjoyed it immensely.
iii. 'connecting and connecting...'

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

mark, while we are giving you things to do, I'd like to recommend Ned Sublette's recent Cuba & Its Music (which I assume you know about, and may even have read for all I know).

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

you were not very nice to somebody (composer) in your rise and spral (of horrible noise, not yr behind the music rise and sprawl). you know who i mean. listen again. then come to the Real Dirty South (the one where we can't afford ipods and Lil Jon CDs). and make and sell and buy and even listen to loose joints (in the mixtape sense). on the street. keeping your bias normal, your case low, your new year off-white, and represent.

― don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

listen to aussie pop in 80s - wa wa nee "sugar free"

― paul grey, Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

from failing memory, isn't john oswald is the only person i'm unremittingly nasty to in rise and sprawl (unless you count j!m de r0gat!s as a composer, or mark lamarr)?

(but it's a very long piece so i probbly said a million things i no longer think especially)

i don't own and can't afford an ipod :(

rockist i own records by ned s. but i never read him: but one of the records i really really like - ever-wideining circles, the one he did w.the persuasions - so i will give that book a go some time

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

I was going to link to my thread about the book, but I think that must be one of the lost threads. Anyway, it's very good, and much of it should be of interest to anyone interested in the musical interactions between Africa, the New World, and Europe.

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Kind of like a less rockcriticerly, more expansive, Stomp and Swerve, but focusing on a different musical center.

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Yes of course I meant Oswald. It's the name isnt it. Put yr patriotism aside just that much ok? (Larue do you like Irakere? I like the LP ca. '78, from before several of their MVP jumped ship, pretty much literally. Does he talk about them, and/or Charlie Haden's Liberation Music Orchestra?)

― don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

The Sublette book only goes up to the 50s. He has a second volume planned. I'm actually not that big a fan of Cuban music per se. I prefer Puerto Rican/NuYorican/Colombian stylings, but still, the basic foundation for salsa comes via Cuba, so I am interested. I haven't liked anything I've heard by Irakere.

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

i happy end of 2004
ii miss scanning a ILX thread to get mark's take on the question
iii should mail you a disc of music

― nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

haha don i just realised that wz you!!

but i am still trying to codecrack the patriotism gag

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

i did in fact grow up near a town named for the fact that a long-ago saxon king called oswald hid in a a tree once (or wz killed by a tree or something)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

but i'm saving the details of that for my sleater-kinner lesson

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

"Lee Harvey" was what I had in mind (relates to yr. patriotism cause Blair is Bush's poodle and your Prime Minister, nyah nyah, nah nah nah)(Bush is *my whut whut) Intriguing bout the tree (seriously), but I'll wait for the sleater-kinner(?) lesson. In the meantime, more musical recs: RIO BAILE FUNK:FAVELA BOOTY BEATS and Daara J's BOOMERAN and reggaeton too, cos you need a sunny vacation I would imagine (more UK stereotyping but still!)

― don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

Sleater-Kinner fuckin suck dog balls

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

Really? Too bad. Sleater-Kinney's pretty good, though.

― don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

hey mark just wanted to say hi. i dig radio free narnia...see ya.

― Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

man that louis prima story justifies ilm in its entirety

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

di is back so maybe i shd do my tyrannosaurus rex one AT LAST

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

and thx abt rfn -- sorry it's been a bit far-and-few-between lately

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

is your beef with oswald easily summarized?

― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

i am back! i am here! i am reading! i am writhing with anticipation!

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

that beef w.oswald:
he had an extremely feeble video piece in the show i talk about in the rise-and-sprawl piece, as well as what i recall as a very smug cover interview in the wire round about the same time -- esp.as the culture-jamming meme was more than a bit played at that point, but no one challenged him on this

so i wz very grumpy at him -- ppl told me afterwards i was bein unfair, and that's totally possible -- i wz just fed of readin how Amazingly Daringly Subversive he was Pokin Fun at Pop, i think, and never anything abt how else his stuff maybe worked

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

ah ok -- his video works aren't my favorite either. I wouldn't call him smug, but he's definitely self-id's as art-world & thus rubs some people the wrong way, especially these days now that 'sampling' seems so obvious as to be politically inert

that 2 CD 'plunderphonic' box is a little indigestable, but I think you might like his 'WX' from 1983 or the revised 'Plexure' if you're curious about how he earned his rep

― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

WX = scroll down to final 11 tracks

― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:23 (eighteen years ago)

(just bumpi'nso asto keep 'eh lessons withinteh mark s's visibleness, wellhopefully)

― tiit (tiit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

(mock me willya?) Um, if i can still make suggestions mark how about "Breaking the Split Screen Barrier" by Kim Deal's garage band The Amps?

― Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

early post by me^

I wish these were still going on...would love to hear him unpack a Breeders/Amps song or two; somewhere around here Sinker talks about having a shot with Kelley Deal

― taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 22:45 (fourteen years ago)

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