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Death metal = too technical, punk = too pop - in my quest for the most poorly-produced & played ranting noise, I've recently started listening to old Crass records. Where to go from there? Amebix? Flux of Pink Indians? I hear about all this cider-stained swill but the only records I can find are dated post-1990, I want the original shitty-sulphate stuff!

― tarden, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i don't remember much about that Crass-label stuff but I didn't like most of it - a couple that stick out (that i did like) are the Flux of Pink Indians "Tube Disaster" e.p. (like angry Swell Maps), Zounds (actual tunes), Rudimentary Peni (real fast), Discharge (even faster). Mark Prindle likes all these kind of bands, I'd suppose his reviews of them would be worth reading.

― duane, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

try gg allen

― Geoff, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i would recommend staying well away from amebix unless you like slow, heavy metallic stuff (i do) played really poorly (i don't).

definitely check out rudimentary peni, particularly the "eps of rp" and "death church" releases. and "cacophony."

i generally think of "crusty" relating to stuff circa 87 and after, like infest, japanese hc (confuse!!!), hellnation, slight slappers, etc. sort of filthy, punk-descended simplistic high-speed music with textures and vocals that are reminiscent of grindcore (the 'real', pre-death metal stuff, like napalm death's first two, first carcass LP, fear of god, etc, etc.). if you're into that, look for the "cry now, cry later" comps, which are all over the map but should satisfy anyone's lust for ugly, ugly noises. CROM!

― your null fame, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, from the way you describe it, Amebix sound fantastic! Thanx

― tarden, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Go straight to Void for poorly produced, well-played ranting noise...the bass sounds like rubber bands, the rhythms sound like syncopated mistakes, and their most best, most famous song has a chorus that sounds like someone screaming "Who are you to wash my hair!!!!!????" (first Void song on the Faith/Void split LP which is a total classic). Other classic bands include LARM (Dutch, allegedly the fastest of the 80s euro-hc bands, but they don't wound so fast anymore), Rattus (Finnish), the Cripple Bastards (Italian). Grand Theft Audio is a label that specializes in amazing CD compilations of long forgotten 80s hardcore bands, but I don't even know if they're still in business. I'm not a fan of the Crass records stuff other than Rud. Peni (talk about weird), but that stuff is peace-punk, not crust-punk. Hellnation and Crom and Stapled Shut and the like are crusty hardcore, or powerviolence. To me, crust punk is the bands on the patches that crusties wear: hence Amebix is definitely crust, Discharge were the kings of crust (ONLY ON THE EARLIEST RECORDS!), Blatz, Filth, Damad, Dead and Gone, Destroy, the Varukers, even the fucking Exploited if you're a crusty with a great mohawk and absolutely no taste. I second the Cry Now Cry Later recomendation; I love all that shit (12 second songs with nothing but blast-beats, two grunts, and a scream). If you can find the Peace/War comp LP from the mid 80s, it has ALL the 80's bands on it.

― Kris, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why am I completely unsurprised that Tarden likes the crusties? :)

― Nitsuh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i have a copy of death church. is this a mediocre release? can someone explain what is supposed to be special about this? it sure doesn't fit my concept of crust punk, which has much more of a grind/death element to it. neither does crass.

filth was good iirc or at least had one great song. i'm embarrassed to not know enough about this stuff. my knowledge of crust punk comes nearly entirely from mid-90s ottawa bands.

― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah, Void/Faith. Heed Kris's words. Dischord sells it for cheap.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For whatever reason, I've heard the early Ex mentioned in conjunction with "crusty punk". Poorly produced ranting? It could qualify (and that's a compliment, by the way).

The following is post-90s, however, and possibly not too crusty - BE WARNED!

Fat Day. A MA-area group of misfits, combining Minutemen-like fecundity with a hardcore jones. Quite spectacular, and they put on a helluva show. Also worth checking out, along these lines, is the majority of folks that have run through the Load Records roster (though some of them teeter towards "no wave", but that's just mincing apples & oranges). If Otis is around, he might want to check out the Brainbombs (though I'm sure he's heard of 'em, given his fondness for misanthropic European scum like Turbonegro).

― David Raposa, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have you tried anything like Fuck On The Beach?

― Kodanshi, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

just about to post FOTB! just getting in to the major releases from Spazz. Code 13 has a discography cd thats decent. and the best single song that I've heard is Ode To Ramen from Destroy.

― kevin enas, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jesus, Kris. You should write an article or something.

― Josh, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, maybe Kris should...

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If he does, it should give shouties to the gothic punk kids who do school shootings.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No article, but big ups to the gothic punk kids who do school shootings!

― Kris, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh yeah luv fo tha hippies too. We all in da same gang blood

― Kris, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

BASTARD! I love The Exploited and The Varukers. And I just listened to MURDER today...

― Kodanshi, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Do you have a mohawk?

― Kris, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Because I have no taste either but I don't have a mohawk hence I think the Exploited are quite silly.

― Kris, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sundar: death church definitely stays away from 'crusty' - but rudimentary peni would be advisable with relation to the original post, i think. WRT 'crusty punk,' in the sense you used, the early r. peni stuff (eps of rp) would definitely be an ancestor at the least, particularly tracks like "teenage timekiller" and "media person."

anyone have any comments re: lack of interest? i hear there are some infest members involved, so i'm intrigued...

the whole "crusty" thing was a pretty nebuluous 'genre' when i first got into it, covering bands from extreme noise terror and hellnation to rather dull metal like amebix and (cough) hellbastard. i think i'm going to have to go delving into the old record boxes again...

― your null fame, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lack of Interest are just another hispanic powerviolence band from LA. I think the guitarist plays through a 10 watt amp or something (that's what it sounds like live and recorded). I think they suck, but they were telling "funny" wifebeating jokes in between their songs at Gilman(!), which has to count for something. The vocals sound similar to Infest, deep and growly.

― Kris, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three months pass...

I'm not exactly sure what this whole website is but if you guys are looking for noise, listen to Assuck and Anal cunt. Preferably anal cunt. All that grindcore bullshit is funny.

― Maggot, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...

you know, i'm listening to amebix's _arise_ right now and it is, truly, great. sounds like venom covers being played by punks - heavy, guttural, stupid, heavy, wonderful. i have no idea why i ever disliked it.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

Ive been into Crust for years (since 1988) and here are my favorite crust bands, Antischism, Nausea, Hiatus health Hazard, Amebix, Resist, Dystopia, Misery, Extintion of mankind, subhumans, conflict and filth. all these bands are great! especialy Antischism. Im into alot of Black Metal now but I love my old Crusty roots.

― DANs, Saturday, 30 October 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's a scenario: Get out your wallet and get all the old vinyl by Scandinavian hardcore bands like Rattus, Anti Cimex, Black Uniforms, and Turveet Kadet, then switch gears and hop on the early grind train with Napalm Death, Doom, Satanic Malfunctions, the Hardcore Holocaust comp, Extreme Noise Terror. Eventually, it's important to lose faith in all this and listen exclusively to Darkthrone, Burzum and the first 1-2 albums by Mayhem, Immortal, and Satyricon. Man, what a great life.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 30 October 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude give me your email and i can send you a complete discography with all the song mp3s of crucial unit they kick so much fucking ass dude yu dont even know man juss truss me

― Joshua Nelson, Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

yo, dood from 2001 who started this thread. it'a me, scott, from 2004. crass records are not poorly-produced. in fact, they boast some of the finest production i've ever heard. and rudimentari peni, conflict, discharge, subhumans, and flux of pink indian records are not poorly produced either. they are produced wonderfully. you must try again in 2001. i will wait here.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Personal opinion: Dystopia is one of the best sludgey crust bands ever.

― Brandon Biondo (twinkiebots), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Negative Approach, early 80's Boston band. Great, really raw! I don't know much about this stuff but I got it from a friend and taped it on the other side of my Misfits 1 tape.

― Seedy Poops in the Woods (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Sunday, 7 November 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...

^ Negative Approach are from Detroit, dewd. Negative F.X are the ones from Boston.

How did this thread go from 2001 to 2004 to 2005 without a mention of Siege ? Not exactly crust, but since they're year zero for grindcore and inspired half the bands mention in the thread thus far they deserve to be mentioned.

Co-sign Void, Discharge (before they went metal), Rudimentary Peni (especially the ep's collection), Larm (more of a fast, raw euro-SxE band really though), any of the Japanese lot mentioned, the godly Infest (best hardcore band ever), Hellnation and Dystopia.

I may be wrong but Crucifix were the first heavily U.K influenced American hardcore band weren't they..? "dehumanization" lp and "1984" 7" are both classic.

Some good later euro-crust shit is that "hardcore holocuast" Peel Sessions album featuring Electro Hippies, Doom, Unseen Terror, E.N.T and all those typa bands. Pretty nice compilation of all the notable late 80s bands.

Early Born Against (when they lived in NYC/Jersey) is semi-crust with ill, heavy low-tuned bass/full on Articles Of Faith-meets-Siege vicious hardcore and tazmainaian devil vocals, isn't it? I'm talkin' about the first two 7"s and "9 patriotic hymns for children" lp. Well, any of their stuff from 1989 - 1991.

Nausea were a band who were popular with all the crust-core types when i was a kid and had a chick vocalist with a hoarse voice who screamed a lot over harsh hardcore with more heavy low-tuned bass but the only things i know by them are their songs on that "NY Hardcore - the way it is" on Revelation (how outta place were they on that alongside Gorilla Biscuits, Youth Of Today etc?) and the "cybergod" 7" which is rather nice.

― Ellis, Saturday, 17 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Revive!

cuz I've been jamming some G.I.S.M., Confuse, Gloom, Capitalist Alienation, Svart Aggression, Kaaos, Amebix and Rattus lately.

― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 01:28 (seventeen years ago)

Honey Bane, "Girl on the Run" from the Crass Records A Sides is my favorite sloppy reggae-punk song ever. They can't quite hit the upstroke, and it's brilliant for it.

― bendy, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 01:51 (seventeen years ago)

does anybody know if the dudes in Terveet Kadet were queer? Because the artwork for their Aareton Joulu is gay as all get out (and NSFW) . . .

― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 03:46 (seventeen years ago)

Code 13 were my shit back in the day. do Aus Rotten count? they were by far the best of the pgh crusty/political punk bands. the subsequent Human Investment were a good combo of crust and math rock type shit. funny to see someone mention Crucial Unit, those doods were my boys back in the day (and hoss and mike still are!).

― pipecock, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 17:51 (seventeen years ago)

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