Who the f*** is Johnny Cigarettes?

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Who is he? What's his story? Why's he so tall? What's he doing these days?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

richard ashcroft once tried to assault him...i don't know what he's doing now, he's been out of his old stomping ground (the NME) for a while.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

his rant against stereolab was a v good read.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember that Julio. He gave them 0, didn't he?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a nekkid picture of him at Glastonbury in the NME. He has nothing on Momus (now the most famous nekkid person EVER...on ILX).

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.nme.com/reviews/2901.htm

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Tricky and his bodyguard attacked him once apparently, i bet Johnny Cigs is easy to knock over on account of his lankiness equating high centre of gravity...

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

He left the NME for Loaded.

The Ashcroft thing happened at the European Cup Final when Man Utd were in it, he apparently saw JC and chased him yelling "Cigarettes you cunt". JC had given an early review of the Verve in which he said people would want to glass RA's face if they saw him in a pub.

Nick H, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

poor Ashy's face looks like it has been stuck in a glass for long enough - a very cruel and callous remarks by Mr Cigs, almost as hurtful as giving Stereolab none out of ten

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd want to glass RA if I saw him in a pub, if only for that last solo album. Well done to Cigs for spotting this years ago!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

god that Stereolab review is great tho huh?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I laffed at the time.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah that's the review.

I quite enjoyed the early stereolab singles collection. I always want to get somehting by them but then i get to hear their singles on the radio and its fairly bland stuff so i never do buy anything else.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

that review is stupid

matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hence the amusement i guess

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

He's shelved the 'Cigarettes'. He's now Johnny Dee, and he writes for Loaded and The Guardian, among others. He really is incredibly tall.

Jason J, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Johnny Dee used to write for NME too, it... was the same person? Now I am confuddled.

alexfack (alexfack), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh shit... maybe I mean Johnny Sharp. I've confused myself now.

Jason J, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

matthew why do you think it's stupid?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"being deliberately obscure and unlistenable to make people think, 'It's just too complicated and clever for a thicko like me. If only I was intelligent enough to be into Stereolab!'"

this sort of thing is a little nick hornby-ish. but i do enjoy a lot of other things about the review.

"'Blue Milk' is the 11-minute artistic centrepiece of this 'work'. We know this because it's the longest and nearly impossible to listen to."

i found this quite amusing.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i used to think he was funny.

i havent read much lately.

is this board becoming a where are they now for ex nme writters?

teehee

gallantseagull, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

because it came at the height of, was it 1998? when the imposition of dulness (hangover of britpop), the insistence of lack of charachter or conceit ("may have some theory") at the nme was at it's strongest.

"might encourage the working classes to breed" yes stereolab completely lack any leftist tendancies.

"The capacity for music to hit you viscerally, spiritually or emotionally is just an interesting cultural studies theory to them, and one which they don't instinctively understand. " which is just untrue! 'blue milk' whirls me off to somewhere quite besides.

thougfh i'll concede he has a fairly amusing turn of phrase. but so does ann widdecome. and she probably needn't spend so much time staring through the pages of a thesaurus.

matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

also, i really like that album.

matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

he should never have lost the "cigarettes" part of his name. it made his name memorable. like kitty empire (whose writing i dislike).

i'm a stereolab fan and after a while i actually agreed with most of what he wrote about that (their worst, IMO) album..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

sound dust is pretty boring but cobra and ohases is amongst my favourites, but probably the subtlest.

matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i haven't heard sound dust (must get it one of these days, along with Peng, which I ludicrously do not own)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

jim, peng's a great album! but as for sound dust yuo might as well just play two stereolab records you already own simoultaneosly, muted through a couple of pillows

matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to really fancy him when I was about 14. I've still got no idea what he looks like (and I don't think I want to know). It was all in the writing style.

cis (cis), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Johnny Dee is someone else, I think; I recall him writing for the NME at the same time as Johnny Cigs and they had very different styles. Dee is a Scouser, I think, while Cigs is a Home Counties Red (in the Man Utd sense of the word).

The worst thing about Cigarettes is that, when you cut through the bluster, he's a VERY BORING AND DULL WRITER, just loads of cliches about "rock'n'roll" and "instinctive", not even the childish shock value of a Swells.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

My brother (allegedly) still has pictures of (IIRC - it may be some other female NME hack) Kitty Empire in the nude from when she was going out with his mate Neil years ago; brother was planning on using them to blackmail NME into giving his band good coverage (if only his band ever played any gigs or left Exeter).

(Said brother's mate Neil ended up on The Real World London years ago, and had the tip of his tongue bitten off during a gig by his band when he leapt into the audience to snog a male heckler; Neil also had a pig's heart wrapped in barbed wire delivered to him in a box by his then g/f cos she thought he was cheating on her with an American housemate on TRW. All this was on tele! It was grebt. Neil's dad was also the first person in the country to be ordained on t'internet, IIRC [though he's sadly now passed away, I think]. All of UK culture revolves around me and my brothers in one way or another...)

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

''also, i really like that album.''

ah!

johnny is, like wells, a writer whose opinions on music you can't take that seriously.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:27 (twenty-two years ago)

well whatever your interests in the formal aspects of journalism, does defeat the whole point of writing about music.

matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

J Cigs is really John Sharp and comes from near Hull. Haven't seen him for a couple of years but we used to go gigging and ligging together a lot when we both wrote about music (and had Chinatown post-booze/gig meals where we talked about all the popstars on drugs we weren't allowed to write about yet). I wouldn't call him a Home Counties anything because he's 6'5" and one of those boys who wears nail polish and suits who you wouldn't mind having as backup in a fight.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Neil also had a pig's heart wrapped in barbed wire delivered to him in a box by his then g/f cos she thought he was cheating on her

Was that then g/f not the same Kitty Empire? And was the pig's heart not bought for her by MTV? And is Neil not responsible for Club Sofa? I may be wrong.

Alan Connor, Jr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

*recalls very weird and battered conversation about two and a half years ago*

Does or did your brother's mate Neil also have the biggest porn collection in Oxford? I realise this sounds quite random.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)


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