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I like this website very much. Everyone must be an intellectual and always have fscinating things to say. So please forgive me for my basic questions. And i need a dictionary three times every sentence for Mr Momus. Never mind. Mr Ned Raggett must be a gentleman, actually. So, I would like to ask: a penfriend sent me a tape of music-"garage bands"-it had groups such as The Standells, Mourning Rain, Faine Jade-it was very nice, melodic, I liked it very much. So I went to the library and got out "This is Garage"-but it was different, like hip hop, or rnb. So I would like to say, what is really garage and why is it so called? And house? Different types of house-happy house, acid house, so many compilations in the library (you see I'm a mere student, curious for new sounds). And how do you call folk music? For me it is polka, bosssanova,also Pulp, Orbital, St Etienne, you know anything with a story, melody, a culture behind it, like Misty in Roots , Marvin Gaye, Jacques Brel, that is all folk to me. I can get it from the library. I want to know if people categorise music, and if garage means the same to them. Sorry if this is confused, but I am!

― Liliya, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was confused by "Garage" music when I first got to the UK. I expected it to be 60s Psychedelic music, but instead it was bleepy dance music.

But I quickly learned that "UK Garage" is a kind of techno-derived dance music, I'm guessing the name came from it's proximity to the genre called "House". The kind of music you are looking for is 60's Garage. Bands like the Electric Prunes, the Seeds, the Standells etc. If you are looking for more music like that, check out the Nuggets or Pebbles compilations- they were discussed on a recent thread on this board.

But yes, genre names are completely confusing and make no sense, even to those of us to whom English is our first language! (You should see the fool I make of myself on any sort of dance thread...)

― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Liliya you will soon learn to love me and my catty wisdom. Well I always thought of garage as punk bands ie. The CLashs' "We're a garage band, we come from garage land". There are so many names for all the electronic and dance music but it all sounds the same. They just like names as much as music

― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The 'UK Garage' name comes from 'US Garage' - 'Garage' in dance terms refers to the Paradise Garage, arguably the most important disco club in late 70s/early 80s New York.

Marvin Gaye - Soul
Orbital - Techno
Misty in Roots - UK reggae
bossa nova - not folk, but 'bossa nova' (a genre itself)
st etienne - err....

categorising music - classic, that is if you want to be able to find records on your shelves

― m jemmeson, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The "folk" is the one that's oddest to work with, in that it's completely relative to culture. Western-world music types use it to denote the particular folk traditions of Appalachia and the American South as they solidified in the early 20th century --- I assume the primary roots of that were in Celtic/Gaelic and African traditions? But "folk" in the larger sense should really mean what most people mean when they say "world" music: that is, any form of music that's emerged (in a grass-roots sense) from a particular culture and has the history, cultural significance, and generation-to-generation transmission we associate with "folk" traditions. It gets hairy, semantically, but I think we can all figure it out pretty well.

All of which is to say: I think "folk" rightly refers to a cultural system more than a particular sound?

― Nitsuh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Liliya I recommend the excellent All Music Guide - Music Styles website that breaks down different music styles and their relationships to other styles. [Mr Ned Raggett contributes to this website]

PS Liliya I also enjoy reading your thoughts as you have an interesting enquiring mind.

― DJ Martian, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoa, that is a fun toy to play with. Except it says "spacerock" instead of "dronerock" but ah well, details, details...

― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A gentleman? *blush blush* I try. :-) But as Kate and Tom can tell you, I'm just a goofy American in person. :-)

As for spacerock, I first read that as 'spacecock,' which somehow says so much.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It says that you have been hanging out on ILE too much is what it says.

Gentleman, yes. Until about the forteenth shot of tequila, that is... ;-)

― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I always thought garage was anything with crappy production values - I should get out more. Folk - stories for the people, make of that what you will

― Geoff, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why Kate, you hurt me in my heart. I was on my knees in obesiance to you (I have the photos -- and it's not what you think, you pervs, I was just kneeling and kissing her hand at the bar). How more gentlemanly can you get?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never seen these photos, I never hope to see them. They will be BURIED. (I'm more worried about the random snogging of bartenders than anything else...)

― Kate the Saint, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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