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i've seen the name bandied about on ILM but they don't have a thread of their own so here it is.

I heard a few tracks from Finery and I think it's completely lovely, my initial reaction being "Montgolfier Brothers go a little bit dancey". Thoughts? opinions? C/D?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i have never been able to get past how utterly daft and affected the lyrics are, on either record

agree that its lovely

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i vant it. and i vant it bad. there is a review somewhere where someone (i'm good on specifics) compares them to the blue nile. it got me very interested.

personally i'm big on affected lyrics.

gallantseagull, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I need to listen to it properly, but the *sound* of the vocals was what hooked me in..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the lyrics have a nice effect, but I'll admit I've not paid attention to one whole line. Key phrases jump out, adding to the feel music, which is really the star. It puts me in a good mood. The production, melodies and rhythms are great. What more could you ask for? I bet Geir would like this!

Adam A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The Blue Nile comparison is (maybe) TIm Finney's at skykicking.

Finney's piece is what got me interested, and I'm very glad I picked up the disc. Not sure it will end up seeming like the year's best, but it's a strong contender for year's most beautiful. A lot of folks recently seem to be fusing "traditional songwriting" with the sonic vocabulary of glitchy minimalist techno and microhouse -- along with Coloma, noteworthy examples include The Notwist and The Postal Service. (And Bjork, too, although I'm less enthusiastic; and I'm sure the list could be longer.) I don't think either half of this fusion "needs" the other, but I still quite like the results when it's done well.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:05 (twenty-three years ago)

my personal taste opines that the two halves may not need each other but definitely benefit strongly from each other by making up for what each genre misses for me..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

< / incomprehensible >

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:10 (twenty-three years ago)

"i have never been able to get past how utterly daft and affected the lyrics are, on either record"

Jess I'm sure you'd agree though that this is the point - eg. "the second closer still" wears its daft affectness like a badge of honour. "Next to the angels of the cathedral there is always room for gargoyls/I was waiting for you to notice me but a watched pot never boils." It's like the apotheosis of my teen poetry.

Jim, Finery is great. Silverware is good but not nearly as much and I like it a lot less now that I have their second album to compare it to.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:12 (twenty-three years ago)

"my personal taste opines that the two halves may not need each other but definitely benefit strongly from each other by making up for what each genre misses for me.."

I think though that Finery is quite odd in that it captures a lot more of what makes microhousey/glitchy stuff good on its own terms than similar attempts from say, The Notwist or Hood - I like both of the latter bands, but I think their fusions actually reduce the potential impact of the sonics, because they're not doing anything with them except applying like cosmetics to their songs. With Finery (and to a lesser extent Silverware) there's a sense of a bilateral transaction between songcraft and sonics.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Hood's Cold House worth looking for?

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:29 (twenty-three years ago)

eh.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:29 (twenty-three years ago)

yes and no. i much prefer the previous 2 albums of theirs

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:30 (twenty-three years ago)

the whole "earnest post-indie vocals" thing really gets to me, but frankly the notwist wins for me outta the three, even if the electronic stuff is just window dressing (which i dont think it is). and the anticon tracks on the hood album are super bad.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:32 (twenty-three years ago)

a real question: how do you compare them to Anticon tracks-as-Anticon tracks?

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)

i actually think they're worse (i didnt really mind the clouddead record in places, although it would have been leagues better if it didnt have rapping), since you've got a fairly straightforward guitar song where these nagging cartoon billygoats come whining and hiccuping through...they work better when they're doing their ragtag rube goldberg meeta pete rock meets labradford shit.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:41 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, was just curious to see how close we are on this one (i.e. near fucking twins)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:59 (twenty-three years ago)

(um, I agree w/everything you wrote, in other words)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 04:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i really love finery at the moment, although admittedly i've only had it for a couple of days. "coat of senses" is particularly great.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:02 (twenty-three years ago)

"the whole "earnest post-indie vocals" thing really gets to me, but frankly the notwist wins for me outta the three, even if the electronic stuff is just window dressing (which i dont think it is)."

Yeah actually I should specify that I don't think The Notwist are exactly windowdressing when it comes to electronics, but rather that their songs could stand up fairly easily without them. I like Neon Golden a lot, but it wouldn't occur to me to think of it as being anything other than a rock record at heart (NB. can I stress that this is *not* a criticism), which is not true at all for Finery (although maybe it is for Silverware?). Of course peripheral issues such as record labels properly play a huge part in how I think on this as well.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 May 2003 02:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah and those anticon guest appearances were indeed very painful.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 May 2003 02:57 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
Histrionica.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh Cozen, you had to do it, didn't you. That's brilliant though.

I'm still much fonder of Silverware than Finery, though I keep expecting something in the latter to grab me and change my mind.

Oddly I just loaded into iTunes 4 tracks from Junior Boys, a new act that Nick Kilroy is working with. At first blush they reminded me very much of Coloma, though now I'm beginning to hear how they differ. The vocals are extremely similar, if a bit breathier (less histrionic), but the beats are beginning to sound different - more of a Pole influence, plus a bit of Spacek's glitch-R&B (though there's nothing R&B about the chords used). Fennesz' remix of "Birthday" is a corker, as well..... maybe the poppiest thing he's done yet.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 19 July 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Philip have you heard Dem 2's stuff? Production-wise, Junior Boys are Dem 2 to a tea.

I'm shocked that you'd like Silverware more than Finery. Everything about the second album strikes me as incomparably superior.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 20 July 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the fennesz remix of junior boys is k-amazing < /losing my edge>

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 20 July 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Silverware vs Finery is like Fourth Drawer Down vs Sulk for me -- my preference constantly flipflops.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 20 July 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess for me Finery sounds much more *technicolour* - less drony and monochrome. I like Silverware a lot but it certainly didn't make my top five for the year, whereas Finery definitely will.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 20 July 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim do you hate whatever the opposite of fun is?

Finery is looking like top one here, unless the Villalobos album is as good as certain people say (the Taka Taka mix = yet another great mix in a year of great mixes).

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 20 July 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Monochrome drone ain't bad per se. But what's with that weird organ type thing all over Silverware? It undermines to some extent the crystalline precision of the production on the album. The use of piano and sparkly sounds on Finery may in some way be a more obvious choice but I think it suits the electronic undercarriage much better.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 20 July 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
absolutely loving "You Are Here", "Illegible Love" (!) and "If They Ask You To Stay" off Finery

the sense of similar territory or tone to that of Junior Boys is uncanny but somehow right: shared Blue Nile &/or Japan appreciation?

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 25 October 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
apropos me hearing "finery" for the first time & the leak of the new album "dovetail"

such a strange band

a weird confluence of overwrought lunatic emotion, 80s-style lyrics & delivery and 90s electronica

silly too in a lot of places and not quite great in other

but overall wow quite weird

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

not really 90s electronica though, I was struggling to place the music

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

they remind me of Mansun.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 August 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

haha ouch

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

the vocals and that overrwrought delivery. i don't know either band that well and quite like what i've heard of both. "Transparent" = "Wide Open Space". both tracks are good.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

Ha maybe this new album will be their prog-rock-revival epic!

Oh god that just made me realise how much Peter Gabriel circa Selling England By The Pound is a reference point for the vocalist/lyricist. Peter Gabriel meets Tim Rice.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

they sound so much like clearlake to me, especially the first album "lido"

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Incidentally I came back around to really liking Silverware again, although I still prefer Finery I think. I think yr correct wrt "silly too in a lot of places and not quite great in other". This is part of the charm though: the way they go out of their way to fail in the race to become the Perfect Hypothetical Nouveau Indie Group (c.f. Junior Boys)

Never heard Clearlake - always assumed they were just another second tier earnest Brit band a la Starsailor??!?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

oh no!

I love that first clearlake record like a friend

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

if I remember correctly tom really liked it too

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

i don't hear a shred of mansun. they rather remind me of the blue nile though

jimmy glass (electricsound), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

(says many people on the thread already, whoops)

plus i like their lyrics (on finery, anyway). i find 'you are here' rather affecting.

jimmy glass (electricsound), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

oh, i'm quite excited to hear this new one. who has it? i remember being told that it was all instruments, very little elecctronics. is that the case? they could've really been on the jr. boys wave, i thought.

Beta (abeta), Monday, 22 August 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
no one cares about dovetail?

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)

i haven't bought it yet

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:17 (twenty years ago)

i don't like silverware much at all

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)

no one cares about dovetail?

Andy Kellman to thread!

I was listening to it today and realised despite my continued slight hang-ups about the vocal style (Colin Newman meets Paul Buchanan?), I already love at least 3 of these songs, which means it's gonna crash my Top 10 of 2005.

Finery is one of my absolute faves of 2003, especially "Illegible Love".
a nice lady from Ware wrote me (and others if I remember) to thank for comments!

Dovetail doesn't seem as easy to find - maybe some distribution glitch? I've been trying to source it, but I'm gonna have to push harder cos no results yet...

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:55 (twenty years ago)

re: Senor Doubtbeat

www.allmusic.com
front-paged Coloma as a featured artist recently (like earlier this week?)

oh and Philip Sherburne upthread:
Oddly I just loaded into iTunes 4 tracks from Junior Boys, a new act that Nick Kilroy is working with.
the sense of history about this place... and that's a 2003 post

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I felt weird reading that again too!

The new album is Klein Records rather than Ware right? You'd think that considering that it would be easier to find. I haven't seen it anywhere yet though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 19 January 2006 12:19 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Dovetail should be available in UK (and as import at Tower in U.S.) from March 13th (fingers crossed).

Coloma are (hushed) THE BEST...(!)
no reservations now, they've released some of loveliest albums of this century.

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

just listened to Andre Kraml's ridiculously dark and complex remix for "No Moving parts" as my body slowly froze last night.
yeah, it's sad that they can't find a label to release Dovetail in the US (and have basically given up, i think). to top it off, i did an interview with Alex when he was in the states, and can't find anyone to run it now (no label=no hype?)

Beta (abeta), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Is there somewhere online I can buy Kraml's mix, whether it be a download or mail order?

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

This is the first time I've heard Coloma (Dovetail)... Reminds me of Roxy Music in faint way, or at least Bryan Ferry. It's very pleasing upon first listen.

van igloo (van smack), Sunday, 12 March 2006 04:28 (twenty years ago)

The Kraml remix is available on iTunes. It's quite good.

Looking forward to hearing the whole album.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 12 March 2006 04:42 (twenty years ago)

Stylus gave the new album a D. Rarely has a review angered me so much!

Patrick South (Patrick South), Sunday, 12 March 2006 05:59 (twenty years ago)

Coloma are good, but totally not what I was expecting. When I read somewhere that they were sound-artists in a prior life, I anticipated something a bit more left-field, like an innovative, pop-oriented version of My Life in the Bush of Ghosts or something. I like them well enough, though - not mind-expanding, but a cut above most modern synthpop-oriented stuff I hear.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Monday, 13 March 2006 03:51 (twenty years ago)

had to check the lyrics weren't some arch joke first time i heard 'dovetail'. an endless list of cliche is hard to get past. apart from that they're alright.

{apal a flu, Monday, 13 March 2006 07:22 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

new 2009 album

Coloma - Love's Recurring Dream
http://www.dotshop.se/ds/release.php?code=ITA083CD

Italic (ITA083CD)
February 23rd, 2009

Coloma is the collaboration between singer/lyricist Rob Taylor and producer/composer Alex Paulick. Though originally from England, the two spent a period of musical education and discovery in Cologne, Germany, where Taylor is still based. Paulick flits between Berlin, the UK and his teenage hometown in California (a few miles from the Gold Rush town of Coloma). This geographical caprice is without doubt one key to the Coloma sound.

The fourth Coloma album is a song cycle with recurring harmonic and rhythmic themes. Lyrically, Love's Recurring Dream is a narrative chronicling the phases of a romance, which symbolically runs over the course of a year. In the twelve songs, singer Rob Taylor follows the progress of the seasons from spring, summer and autumn to winter, with the implicit promise that a new spring will follow. For the recording, a group of musicians was assembled in San Francisco for improvisational sessions that make up the body of the album. Precise editing by producer Alex Paulick brings coherence to these spontaneous takes, with performances ebbing and flowing between rather loose and artificially tight. Under the influence of co-producer Bacchus Marteau, female backing vocals, harpsichords and vibraphones were added to the fold. Pristine mixes by Marcus Schmickler (PLURAMON) ensure that this ambitious contrast of sounds remains delicately balanced.

In its entirety, Love's Recurring Dream is a modern concept album featuring classic song writing and bold production, combined to create profound popular music. Prior to the release of Love's Recurring Dream, Coloma have been rehearsing a six-piece band lineup for an initial string of live dates in 2009!

Tracklisting:
1. Four Seasons (5:13)
2. Strength of Wine (6:14)
3. Do You Know What It Is Yet? (3:06)
4. A Man Barely Alive (5:16)
5. These Days Are Ours (3:36)
6. Standstill (3:45)
7. Tired of Summer (4:19)
8. Blue Blood (5:30)
9. The Grateful Lover (3:20)
10. Should I Be Untrue (5:02)
11. Tonight Let Me Sleep (5:16)
12. Snow (5:08)

djmartian, Thursday, 11 December 2008 13:31 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

Has anybody heard this yet?

Patrick South, Friday, 13 March 2009 14:31 (seventeen years ago)

i'd love to hear it

cutty, Friday, 13 March 2009 15:53 (seventeen years ago)

It's good, though not as good as "Finery". You need "Do You Know What It Is Yet" (pastoral schaffel as per Borneo & Sporenburg's "Boys") and the marvellously widescreen "These Days Are Ours" and "Tired Of Summer".

The more conservative parts remind me of Rufus Wainwright at his more subdued end.

Tim F, Friday, 13 March 2009 22:49 (seventeen years ago)

i'm pretty interested in this.. dovetail took me a bit to warm to but now i like it a lot. 'so much in common' is up there with the best moments of finery

w/ sax (electricsound), Friday, 13 March 2009 23:48 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

oh god this is good

cutty, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 00:26 (seventeen years ago)

"tired of summer"

cutty, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 00:29 (seventeen years ago)

ok this album is gorgeous, a real improvement on dovetail

seems much more gentle than they've been before, without getting dull.. perhaps the most overtly blue nile-ish they've been?

private static void (electricsound), Monday, 27 April 2009 00:42 (seventeen years ago)

'blue blood' is a bit crap unfortunately

private static void (electricsound), Monday, 27 April 2009 01:28 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah "Blue Blood" is like a concentrated dose of all their worst habits - but at least it's largely restricted to just that song.

If i had a criticism of half of the new album it would be that it doesn't singular enough. But the tracks I mentioned above (plus "Standstill") are awesome.

Tim F, Monday, 27 April 2009 03:23 (seventeen years ago)

yes standstill was the (ahem) standout on my first listen

private static void (electricsound), Monday, 27 April 2009 03:23 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

6 months on, should i be untrue and these days are ours are my favourites from LRD

having said that, and i hate myself a little for saying it, they still don't touch the heights of finery

quaq quao, sweetie (electricsound), Saturday, 31 October 2009 10:26 (sixteen years ago)


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