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some of it is pretty damn good, so sez me, from what I recall. What do yall think?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)

It really doesn't matter.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

don't worry about it lynskey,it's ok to listen to charles manson 'cause i don't think he gets any royalties & if he does he would give them to environmentalist causes.

― duane (lucylurex), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:18 (twenty-three years ago)

How weird! I just listened to this Saturday for the first time in ages and exposed my girlfriend to it for the first time ever. It sounded pretty good to me. And, after 10 years, it doesn't really even strike me that oddly or anything anymore. I asked Monica what she thought of it and she said that it would be pretty good if it wasn't Charles Manson. I mean, it's nothing amazing, but the more normal songs on the LIE album are pretty good little ditties. The Mechanical Man sort of experimental acid folk stuff is novelty Manson weird fun for a few listens, but nothing that great. Ego Is A Too Much Thing, Arkansas and a few others are pretty darn good, though. Always Is Always Forever is one "weird fun" Manson tune that is still really neat, though. I actually like that song apart from just being creeped out by it. If I set aside the "creeped out" emotion, I still just like the song. It then becomes just sort of pretty and alien.

Charles Manon's "LIE" gets about 6 stars out of 10 for me on aesthetics alone. If you factor in the fact that he is actually Charles Manson and how that changes everything about the album, it goes up to about an 8 or 9.

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Agreed. Always is Always and Cease to Exist were always my favorites. Apparently, Bobby Beausoleil has done some pretty good stuff as well, if I'm remembering right, the soundtrack to a Kenneth Anger film?

while we're on the topic, always had a huge crush on Squeaky...

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Question: does this warp your mind or open the door to demon possession and insanity!?!? ;-)

I assume this is the sort of thing people are worried about when they agonize over whether they should listen or not.

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

roger that, roger. Cease To Exist is a great song. Ever heard the Redd Kross cover? I'm sure you have. That reminds me... Redd Kross... also not in about 10 years!

― Scaredy Catw, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, Kenneth Anger is a well-known Satanist, right? I gotta get me that film that he did with the Rolling Stones. It's supposed to be interesting, if not really good.

For a regular guy who doesn't even worship the devil or anything, I sure do have a lot of "evil shit"...

― scaredy, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:04 (twenty-three years ago)

it only warps your mind if you listen to it on to much acid while getting fucked by a guy who is pretending to be your Dad, atleast according to the Charles Manson comic book.
Dan Bern says his real last name was Krautmier, and points out he probably couldn't start a Death cult with a last name like Krautmier.
Mark Harp describes Manson as "Craptacular. Poorly recorded, awkward songs, like Daniel Johnston if only he'd killed people."
I understand why people are interested in famious killers/criminals, but at the end of the day Chuck doesn't live up to the hype.
Film is Lucifer Rising

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:12 (twenty-three years ago)

"...like Daniel Johnston if only he'd killed people."

if i saw a record described this way on the Forced Exposure site, I'd have already sent payment...

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I probably would have too.
Harp also says "like Wildman Fischer but not as funny"

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:20 (twenty-three years ago)

There is something interesting about it, though. I honestly wouldn't BUY it if it was some, like, Sebadoh-ish band I was exposed to in college. However, if someone made me a TAPE of it, like Sebadoh fans did for me in college, I would listen to it fairly regularly. I would give it a 6 out of 10 for sure. It's interesting, nice sound for the low budget, good tuneful melodies and interesting lyrics. There's only about 2 real clunkers that would ruin a "normal" album: Garbage Dump (which is interesting and fun for a Charles Manson record) and Mechanical Man (which just makes you think about how smart Manson thought he was-- if it wasn't Manson, it would make you think, "Good god, shut up, you fucking poser!")

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, LUCIFER RISING is the film I want to see, but not the film I was thinking of. The film I was THINKING OF, starred a member from the band LOVE, who was going to play LUCIFER in "Lucifer Rising", but got caught up with Charles Manson. Anger got all the film together featuring this dude from LOVE and put together a film with Mick Jagger playing synthesizer called INVOCATION OF MY DEMON BROTHER.

Mick Jagger also was apparantly set to play LUCIFER in LUCIFER RISING, but got freaked out that his Satanic wish was getting too real and backed out (I don't know, maybe he changed his mind-- I've never seen either film).

While I would like to see Lucifer Rising, I am also a big fan of LOVE and want to see Invocation of My Demon Brother (followed by Lucifer Rising, if at all possible)....

Info gleaned from http://victorian.fortunecity.com/updike/723/page.html

Satan.

― scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

"Garbage Dump" is OK (not sure if that's what it's called.)

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Your right, my bad. I know they have both on video. The first time I saw Kenneth Anger's stuff was at a art institute screening. I was sixteen and I went with my dad, who was/is a Zepplin fan and an artist.
We were both kinda like "what exactly was that?". I've seen his films on several other occasions and I still have a similiar reaction. They are also rather short and his earlier films are very homoerotic. Enjoy.

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks, Brandon, for the info! Yeah, I've only seen FLASHES on MTV, of all things, but they look really interesting. Supposedly, they are considered "art films" by ... uh... critics, but they are actually "magickal evocations/invocations" in praise of Lucifer.

Anyhoo, something I just noticed as I listen to CHARLES MANSON ... RIGHT NOW!!!!... ON BEEER!!!! (I wish Budweiser would put this on a "True Music" commercial spot...)

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Garbage Dump = first Manson song I "appreciated" (i.e. amused me and was sort of catchy for a 16-year old)... is still actually good. I think when I listened to it last Saturday, I regarded it as sort of the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" of the Manson album just because I overexposed myself to it, but listening to it just now... I dig it!

So, out of 12 or 13 songs, there's only ONE that I really don't like very much (Mechanical Man). I think I should adjust my overall rating of this album to maybe a 7 or 8. It's really pretty good and sure as hell never heard anything much like it since the first time I heard it over a decade ago...

― Scaredy, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i had a great charles manson that a friend gave to me. on one side were manson family recordings, sounding like a more hippy dippy langley schools project (also they were acapella). the other side was manson doing soulful open-mike type songwriter stuff in prison. i never thought it was creepy at all, just mellow and wholesome and folksy, like peter paul and mary or neil young or something.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:59 (twenty-three years ago)

that should read "a great charles manson tape".

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah, i also heard that during the last major prison riot at san quentin the prisoners on the floor below rushed up to manson's floor and smashed his guitar and 4-track!

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Vahid, you've just reminded me of the very means I was exposed to and the reason I was interested in Charles Manson's music. When I was 15 and a big evil-metal-fan-mullet-headed-douchebag, there was a show called "A Current Affair" with Maury Pauvich. Remember that? They had an interview with Charlie and played some of his music. I think they were jail recordings. I can't remember exactly, but my guess is that the angle was "he's still making music" (they interviewed him at least twice) and I really wanted to get the music that they played on A Current Affair. It was probably the same phenomenon of a death-metal kid hearing about good ol' Burzum today and searching it out. Only problem is, I've never been able to find this "A Current Affair" Manson music. I wonder if it's ever been published. It was very COUNT GRISHNAK-like. Distorted guitars and gravelly-slow-screamish vocals— absolutely NOTHING like what I heard when I finally put "LIE" in my stereo and sat back in dismay....

Anyone know where this death metal Manson resides? I'd love to hear it just out of curiosity.

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:13 (twenty-three years ago)

in my search for Manson's "death metal" Current Affair shit, I just ran into this quote:

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"He had this kind of music that nobody else was doing. He would sit down with a guitar and start playing and making up stuff, different every time. It just kept comin' out, comin' out. The he would stop and you would never hear that one again. Musically, I thought he was very unique. I thought he really had something crazy, something great. He was like a living poet."
- Neil Young on the music of Charles Manson

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:18 (twenty-three years ago)

neil young inspired by manson!!!

neil young: the poets are all dead!!!

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:24 (twenty-three years ago)

The only Manson records I could find are released through whitedevilrecords.com and available on amazon.
on charliemanson.com they have a page that chronicles his recordings and many uses of of his voice and words by everyone from Rob Zombie to My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult (whom I shot pool with in Chicago).
Spent the rest of my time looking up Burzum, bunch of fucking morons,
can black metal be any more insipid?

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

No, brandon, I don't think black metal CAN be. I'm not a Burzum fan... well, I own Filosofem... that's a pretty weird album.

Anyway, ah... what did I want to say here? Oh yeah, sorry if I had you running off into unpleasant circles. I don't endorse Burzum or anything. I hope he didn't profit from my curiosity purchase. I just figure I might as well keep it now that I own it, cuz I'll only get like $2 from it....

Not a big fan of the Nazis, personally. Didn't really know that much going into it all.

BTW, who thinks CM would have eventually become famous if he didn't have other people kill other people for him? I do. Look at Jandek... Manson could've eventually become a "musician's musician" or something... he had the attention of Love, Neil Young and the Beach Boys, for cryin' out loud. I think he was a victim of that acid stuff perpetuated by the Beatles!!!!

Beatles = Satan. :-)

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:05 (twenty-three years ago)

And, let me get all FUGAZI on your ass here: it's not such a big deal to have other people kill other people for you-- just look at George W. Bush! Free Charles Manson, I say!!!!

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i heard some of the album and i didn't like.

His voice was really annoying on that "oh garbage dump" song. i forget it's title.

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:10 (twenty-three years ago)

CM did have some heavy hitters interested in him. He probably would have put out a couple records, had a respectable cult following and currently be on the state fair tour circuit with the Doobie Brothers.
And my parents would be going to see him... how weird.
Or in a totally divergent universe, perhaps Phil Specter whould have freaked out and shot him.
Can you hear the theramin yet?

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Shit, yeah, if he and Phil got together, history would probably be totally different. Neither one of them would put up with "that shit" from each other. I can see it now: Squeaky sneaking into Phil's bedroom with knife, Phil waiting with gun...

― Scaredy Cat, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

ok, my fever is out of control, I just had a mental flash of George W. dancing naked on the deck of that aircraft carrier, singing White Lightnin'.
See you all tomarrow.

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:24 (twenty-three years ago)

He was almost a Monkee.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

That's an urban myth, acutally - it's been proved that he was up to something else during the Monkee auditions. I forget what exactly.

― Chriddof (Chriddof), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:42 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

He was still in prison.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

For whatever he did before.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"the angle was 'he's still making music'"

Good old '60s.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

does it sound like "pet sounds "or "holland "?
is it true he auditioned for the monkees too ?

― wrian bilson, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

where do i buy cd ?

― wrian bilson, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a double disc put out by a very strange label which i believe may be run by or affiliated with two of the girls from the "family." (it's got a lot of 'atwa' stuff on the booklet, which is the environmental group the girls started in the late 70s). it's called the "family jams" and is all lo-fi recordings of music the family made in late 60s while charlie was in jail. some of it is okay, even some of the lyrics have a real creep factor. the "lie" album is way better, i'd listen to it even if it wasn't made by him. it's slightly above-average acid-folk.

― Amon (eman), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/03/19/us/19lede_manson.350.jpg

― WOOKIE JOHNSON (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2009 18:10 (seventeen years ago)

neckbeard

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 19 March 2009 18:16 (seventeen years ago)

swastibrow

― eman, Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:17 (seventeen years ago)

age has turned the swastika into a happy dancing vacuum cleaner

― The Prices are .......... VERY AFFORDABLE!!! (omar little), Thursday, 19 March 2009 20:38 (seventeen years ago)

cease to exist already

― velko, Thursday, 19 March 2009 21:15 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

Suspicious fire guts Manson's remote Death Valley hide-out

― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 8 May 2009 01:13 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

there's a new 7" out - the song here is kinda the most interesting thing I've ever heard from him

― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 14 May 2010 00:30 (sixteen years ago)

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