Porcupine Tree vs. No-Man

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Well, Steven Wilson is a renaissance man... He plays a lot of instruments, he composes on a series of music styles and he produces (his projects and others as well). I first discovered his work through Opeth (he produced their last 3 albums), then got into Porcupine Tree by "In Absentia", which I truly love. "Stupid Dream" (that I got shortly later) is great as well. Meanwhile, I discovered that S.W. had another project (better known, as I read somewhere) called No-Man. Is it as good as Porcupine Tree? Enlighten me, please.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, JUST the question for me -- especially since I was listening to the new No-Man album last night! ;-)

No-Man is just sorta the older band by a bit -- Wilson and Tim Bowness met in the late eighties and started recording then, while PT as such was initially Wilson solo engaging in psychedelic spoofery a la the Dukes of Stratosphear. The two bands have run concurrently since -- in PT Wilson handles all the vocals, while No-Man is Bowness's vocals and Wilson's music.

Since No-Man was initially my entry point into the whole Bowness/Wilson world of associated bands and side projects -- there's a huge amount of stuff out there, from collaborators, kindred souls and more -- I favor it more in the end. Initially they were something of a lost dream band for me, in that nobody else in the early nineties was so actively pursuing a fusion of at once modern dance/pop styles and lush seventies-into-eighties synth/art pop. No-Man has quietly changed and evolved with time, though (and why not?), and the last two albums respectively make me think of late Talk Talk's fragility and Neu! in driving drift mode, no percussion per se but plenty of obsessive flowing textures. Bowness is still one of my favorite singers ever, and he's a pleasant fellow to chat with in e-mail as well.

I have about eight million reviews all over the All Music Guide for PT, No-Man and more, so go nuts. You might as well go to the No-Man page for more info too, as well as plenty of links hither and yon. I also strongly recommend the Burning Shed label -- I own just about everything on it, and a variety of spiff Bowness and Wilson side projects (as well as a collection of unreleased No-Man songs) can be found there. And I should offer up praise for the likes of Peter Chilvers, Os, Michael Bearpark...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, thanks, Ned... By the way, it were some of your reviews for Porcupine Tree that turned me on for them... I'll check No-Man and then explore some internet CD shops... ;)

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, by the way, what albums do you recommend?

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, I have an impact! For No-Man, their first album is out of print, but practically everything else -- Wild Opera, Flowermouth, Returning Jesus and Together We're Stranger, if you're just talking albums proper -- should be readily available from the band or elsewhere. And they're all great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Not to make this Ned's Thread -- which sounds like it could be fun -- but do you think the new PT record was "too pop" overall? I say this because a customer that I was working heard me playing the "Stars Die" box and asked about the band. Since we don't stock the box, I played the new record for him, thinking it would work better; his face almost immediately grimaced, and he said it was "too pop" for him. Hell, I wish PT was pop music, but he didn't share my view, so he was wrong. Right?

Erick H (Erick H), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it's their first American major label album and I figure there was probably some sweetening in the sound or something (please note I still haven't heard it yet!). Certainly the Stars Die compilation focuses more on the transitional time as Wilson was actually getting a band together instead of recording what was a solo project at the start.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 May 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I can guess why some people call In Absentia "too pop": maybe a tad more sheen on the overall production; some nu-metal, Tool-ish hooks among their typical progressive sound, but it is still Porcupine Tree, and if you dismiss this one, I have some doubts that you will like anything else. (Note that I never heard their first, more obscure releases)

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

Couple tracks into the Steven Wilson solo album and it's kinda great... Certainly working for me more than the last couple of Wilson-related albums.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:51 (seventeen years ago)


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