Nina Nastasia-"Run To Ruin"

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Hmmm. Should really give it a few more listens before posting, but initially, it's not up to Dogs or The Blackened Air. Thoughts?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 19 May 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

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Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 19 May 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really like it.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 19 May 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Kellman loves it tho. But he's wrong. (is that 4 records now, andy?)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 19 May 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you like the other two records, Yanc3y?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 19 May 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard her first one (which T&G is reissuing later this year), but I liked The Blackened Air quite a bit. This one is too dry, too sparse, too Dirty Three in places.

And she's gone from TBA being way too long to this one being way too short.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 19 May 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

My thoughts exactly. Just replace Dirty Three with Kristin Hersh.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 19 May 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd love for Andy to explain why he loves this one so much...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 19 May 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i have yet to really get her. in concert and on disc it sounds like a flannery o'conner'd indigo girls. her band was pretty ace though (opening for calexico).

ben sterling (frozen in time), Monday, 19 May 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you calling me out, Yanc3y?

That's more like 54 records now, buddy -- the gloves're off!

I like the sparseness. Buy a banjo and a washboard and play over it the next time you listen to it.

Maybe it resembles Dirty Three in some form because one of them plays on it.

Why are you complaining about the length if you don't really like it? Wouldn't you want it to be shorter? I'd have a higher opinion of AREN'T Weapons if it had 30 minutes or so sawed off.

Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 19 May 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I ain't calling you out, K, I just wanted to hear what it is about it that you like... As far as the length, the record feels like she's just STARTING to get somewhere, but never arrives (and I'm totally with you on the "Records should only be 44 minutes" thang). And while I love her voice, I don't think it's enough to hang a song on. I like the funereal jug band vibe of The Blackened Air -- it was perverse, these morose songs accompanied by accordions and saws and pot-and-pan rhythms. It was playful and dour at the same time, which ended up being really fun. But this is just dour!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you nailed it, Yanc3y. It just doesn't take off, does it? Also, for some reason I get bored of her voice on this one, but I loved it before.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this out already? Someone has been crowing about this to me for a few months (she had an advance and, apparently, NO CD BURNER, which should mean "don't fucking talk about it then") and got me all excited. Now I'm no so excited.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

comes out in a few weeks or so, i think

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It's out in early June.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(Nordicskillz - I will eat my pets if you CDR me a copy of Nastasia's 'Dogs' ready for collection at Londres' FAP!!!)

Note: I have access to all your pets.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

("Eat my pets" = be really grateful and offer to CDR you something and then take ages to make it).

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Say something interesting about Dirty Three...

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

*silence*

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

*louder silence*

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordicskillz - I will eat my pets if you CDR me a copy of Nastasia's 'Dogs' ready for collection at Londres' FAP!!!

Cozen - My girlfriend's iBook (my personal CD burner) is being fixed, but if I have time, I will. Bring yr iPod and just rip it straight out of my laptop!

!!!TECHNOLOGY!!!!! WTF?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

No iPod as of yet *sob sob* (though I've been onto competition runners: they have to order some in: which means: NEW iPod! Score!)

It's cool Nordicskillz.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
Oh, good, I found a thread.

I am inexplicably in love with this album. Maybe it's my sour mood calling, but it makes living in the desert seem to suck a little bit less. The Blackened Air hit me pretty hard, and this one came on even stronger. It is pretty leisurely, but I don't find it too sparse or lacking in anything. There is such a perfect and consistent atmosphere. The only song I'm slightly lukewarm about is the last one, all others I am smitten with. I was afraid to listen to it for a while because I loved The Blackened Air so much, and with so few songs, if any of them were awful it would be unlucky indeed.

I can't say anymore about it without getting all abstract and poetical and shit, so there.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Saturday, 4 October 2003 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i think its a great record. one of the years best for me. jim white is the perfect drummer for her i think, he adds a lot to her sound, makes it a bit darker, a bit nastier. and i like that.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 4 October 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

yep - jim white is on blistering form on this record. I seen her live a few months ago in glasgow and it was so great - i couldnt take my eyes off jim, hes really interesting to watch. This is an icredible record - it's exactly the spareness which makes it so good. she has got rid of any kind of residual "new Country" sound on this one and it sounds like nothing else. Her lyrics are fascinating and beautiful - definately the record of the year, for me.

jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 4 October 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Just recently got more into the dirty three (yes, jim is pretty amazing live), and starting to notice drums in all the music I listen to. This is definitely a perfect marriage.

I like the seeming evolution here into more involved... how should I say this... movement within individual songs? More complex tension, crescendo, resolution? Er, longer songs! Not that the short ones were lacking much.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Saturday, 4 October 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i know what you mean blood and sparkles.

i taped to minidisc all 4 of her peel/peel acres sessions (i think anyway, unless i missed one, but im usually pretty good at checking these things) and her live slot at the ATP festival which was also broadcast on John Peel, and these recordings have a fair amount of material that isnt on blackened air or run to ruin, and i dont think is on dogs either (judging by the tracklist, i don't have the record though) and it's all fantastic (jim white features on the peel sessions, the 2 peel acres sessions are all solo). in fact if anyone has hosting capabilities, i could mp3 the lot, or id trade for mix cds or anything else really if anyone wanted a burn.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 4 October 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw her live a few months ago and probably a quarter of the songs she played were new or unreleased. bob I'd happily trade you dogs for a cd of those sessions.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 4 October 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

cool i just emailed you about it anthony

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 4 October 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Kyle, id love a copy of "dogs" but i have no idea what i could give you in return, any ideas?

jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 4 October 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Completely missed this thread first time around.

Here's what I thought of Nina Nastasia live in Vancouver, earlier this summer, and here's a review I wrote of Run to Ruin.

jed -- I think you nailed it above, with:

This is an incredible record - it's exactly the spareness which makes it so good. she has got rid of any kind of residual "new Country" sound on this one and it sounds like nothing else.

OTM, as they say around these parts.

David A. (Davant), Saturday, 4 October 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

David - that run to ruin review is incredible. very well done. i did actally do a review of the glasgow show but i would just embaress myself by posting it.

jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 4 October 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I downloaded maybe 7(?) acoustic tracks a while back, but they weren't labeled. Included "regrets" and some others that are not on either TBA or RTR. What is the tracklist for Dogs? I don't have that one either. A friend was going to give me a CD-R of the Peel sessions but never did, so I'm not sure exactly where those tracks I got came from... I think (from memory here) other tracks included "treehouse song". And there was another live-sounding track with violins and drums etc, "jimmy's rose tattoo". Any enlightenment?

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 5 October 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, David, I happened to read that Vancouver review a while ago, don't know where I linked to it from. Both of those are really beautifully written, esp. the album review. Perfection.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 5 October 2003 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"regrets" and "the treehouse song" probably come from her acoustic session at Peel Acres on the 4th July 2002, as they are both on that tracklist and were all acoustic performances. 7 songs in total, its pretty great actually. both "treehouse song" and "deck in vegas" remain unreleased on record.

"jimmy's rose tattoo" is on Dog's, but the live performance you refer to might be from the live ATP festival set that john peel broadcast in april 2002, as it was certainly on the tracklist. that said, it might be from any other live recording.

the Dog's tracklist is here http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS70309131634&sql=Awif5zfs2ehpk

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Sunday, 5 October 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

just read those reviews david, they're rather lovely. this description of yours sums things up rather perfectly i think:
"The Blackened Air was spectral, shocking even. Run to Ruin, however, is just plain shocked."

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Sunday, 5 October 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks-- Now my memory is refreshed, the other downloaded tracks I have are: 'stormy weather'(which I think may have been labeled asfrom an ATP comp but not sure), 'too much inbetween', 'deck in vegas', and 'all your life'(those three are acoustic). I'll have to dig out the disk they're on.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 5 October 2003 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, so I've never heard even one Nina Nastasia song but from everything written about her it's pretty much a certainty that I'll love her. Three albums; which one to get first?

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 5 October 2003 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd say "run to ruin" though many, upthread, have said it's a tough listen. For me it wasn't - i liked it instantly and like it more each time i listen to it. Dogs is pretty much unavailable at the moment but will, apparently, be reissued soon - i have never heard it.

jed (jed_e_3), Sunday, 5 October 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

My slightly uneducated (as I haven't heard _Dogs_ yet) opinion would say to start with The Blackened Air, as I feel like Run to Ruin almost extends from there into another place. I liked both of them pretty immediately, though. My only complaint with _TBR_ is the shortness of some songs-- I wanted "little angel" to go on for much, much longer, for example.

She fit in eerily well with my recent shannon wright/dirty three/smog/folky/etc trend. (I can imagine "the body" on a perfect loop with shannon wright's "surly demise".)

Her voice seemed thin to me at first, and it doesn't have a great range but it's grown on me a lot. Kind of world-weary and deceptively soothing, considering her subject matter.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 5 October 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It's always a little scary to post links to your own reviews here on ILM, home to many Big Important Rock Critics, so thanks for the kind words (jed, Blood and sparkles, and Bob Shaw).

The thing is, this isn't false modesty, but I'm fortunate enough to be able to work with some truly great editors -- all of whom love music and also write about it themselves.

Back to the topic, and The Lex's question: personally, I heard The Blackened Air first and was immediately captivated. It was a Pitchfork review (sigh, yes, I'm saying nice things about Pitchfork) that really nailed nailed that one for me. I love this description:

You're in a canoe, floating down a stream in some backwoods part of the country, and these sounds come seemingly out of nowhere-- a woman's voice; a whispery, corporeal cello; a ghoulish eerie singing saw that strikes matches on your spine. Something twisted, born wrong, is making this music. And damned if it isn't gorgeous.

Run to Ruin took a little longer for me, but I love it equally.

And finally (apologies for the length of this post), Blood and sparkles, your description of her voice at the end of your last post is totally OTM, too.

< / Nina love fest>

David A. (Davant), Sunday, 5 October 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks to you too David!

I'm glad I revived this thread. Yay for lovefests! (insert exclamation points/hearts/etc.)

A friend of mine originally lent me The Blackened Air, and I had never heard of her. He thought I might like it because I liked Neko Case. I think he had bought it and then later decided it was "too country", but then he thinks Dirty THree are good "except for the fiddle". Anyway, big props to my friend for that favor, even if I find his taste to be a little off.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 5 October 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks everyone... looks like I'll be looking for The Blackened Air then, though really I'll probably just grab whichever album I find cheap-ass first.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
here's "Bird of Cuzco" from the John Peel 2cd tribute. she wrote this specifically for him. it's pretty bloody special.

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34LZ12QID9T9V34JRL3T2HWN6B

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

whoa - many thanks jef.

anyone know if she has any other new recordings in the works?

sean gramophone (Sean M), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

jef jed

sean gramophone (Sean M), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

thanks jeff!

c7n (Cozen), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

awesome thx geoff

gear (gear), Saturday, 29 October 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Thanks thirded.

LRJP! (LRJP!), Sunday, 30 October 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

What a wonderful track, thanks 4thed.

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Some news here
(added to the T&G site on 09/23/05) :

"Recently Nina spent two weeks in Iceland traveling and collaborating
with the Tuvan throat singing group Huun-Huur-Tu. Soon she'll record a follow up to 2003's "Run To Ruin" with engineer Steve Albini."

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

thanks jeff!

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

one of the live sessions she did for peel featured same tuvans. the bbc site is now good for this stuff: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/artists/n/ninanastasia/

SESSIONS
1. 03/05/2002
2. 04/07/2002 (Peel Acres)
3. 05/12/2002 (Maida Vale 4)
4. 04/05/2003 (Peel Acres)
5. 29/10/2003 (Old Market)
6. 10/06/2004 (Peel Acres)

(suprised nobody has mentioned the phone ringing in the middle of one of the numbers, peel apologising profusly and nina not dropping a note)

that mp3, btw, is from peel tribute cd, some of the money from which is going to charity:

"A portion of profits will go to charities - The Salvation Army, East Anglia's Children's Hospices and The Kariandusi School Trust."

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

this is probably her most inward album, hardest to get into but i love it so much...You Her and Me is just a brutal song...the part at the end where she's calling the paramedics but hoping the other girl dies is o_O....

seeing her on saturday night!!! so fucking excited, jim white is in tow, haven't been so excited for a show in years.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

five years pass...

Still think this is the best one.

I always wind up singing "Riders on the Storm" to myself when I listen to "I Say That I Will Go"

Cap'n Conserv-a-pedia (Hurting 2), Friday, 19 July 2013 18:40 (twelve years ago)


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