Why does J. Spaceman keep putting godawful hard rock crap on Spiritualized albums?

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I'd call myself a fan of Spiritualized-- to the extent that I like nearly all the slower songs. I can't imagine that anyone would disagree that by far the best Spiritualized songs are, in fact, the ballads. But yet, on nearly all his albums Spaceman fills half them up with really shitty rockers that are so awful, simply abysmal hard rock, painful, disgusting stuff to listen to. Songs that just sound so tossed off they literally make me nauseous and I have to leave the room to throw up all over my cat. Why does this continue to happen? Did anyone actually like "On Fire" off the last album? I just heard the new album "Amazing Grace" and the same story again. shit.

― Ian Squire, Monday, 19 May 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The ones on Ladies and Gentlemen are fun and good. Esp. Electricity, the harmonica makes it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 May 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

You guys are onto something -- I totally agree!

― Jon Cryer (Jon Cryer), Monday, 19 May 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"We" are? We completely disagreed on the main point!

― Ian Squire, Monday, 19 May 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps he's been listening to Jethro Tull a lot lately.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 19 May 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I have just listened to _Run_ 17 times in a row.

Jason Pierce is at his best when he surrenders to the BUBBLEGUM in his soul and makes GURLMUSIC. He is afraid of his inner teenage girl. He wants to make hard and manly RAWK and sensitive GOSPEL because he is a slave to his outdated fascistic Heidigger notion of AUTHENTICITY and manly manly Bavarian peasantdance RAWK when really he just wants to love the bubblegum. Yes he does.

Give in, Jason, give in to the plastic hassle, surrender to the bubblelove, you know you want to. Come on!

(This post may or may not have been made under the influence of entirely too much coffee.)

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:27 (twenty-two years ago)

( Besides, the answers are all here: Spiritualized In One Easy Lesson! (Bleeding Obvious Targets Vol 2) )

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

kate; Heidegger's notion of AUTHENTICITY would allow him to make bubblegum gurlygurl music. He'd just have to understand he was doing it.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

No it wouldn't, Because he would have to be GURL to do it, and I don't see Heidigger getting in touch with his feminine side!

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, oops, the Prophet Jason Pierce.

Perhaps it is time for me to give up and admit that the reason that the first two SPZ albums were SOOO GOOOD is because they were secretly ghost-written by the EVIL KATE RADLEY and I need to accept that my sworn and mortal enemy is truly and actually the author of the music that most deeply touches my soul JOIN ME KATE, I AM YOUR MOTHER, WE ARE THE KATE, COME TO THE MOTHERSHIP FLY AWAY TO PLANET KATE...

(man, that was some strong coffee...)

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't it just.

When's the new LP due?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody even knew there was a new LP until it started turning up on the interweb. Ah, that crafty Prophet Jason P!

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.spacemen3.co.uk/images/pn/pn414.jpg

Because I'm moody and hard and rock'n'roll, I am!

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Electricity - On Fire - Twelve Steps... spot the difference.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Although the idea of Jason Pierce making manly Bavarian peasant-dance beer-drinking music is perversely entertaining. OOMPAH!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

You are mistaking Spiritualized for Blur.

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaah. I think it was the "boo hoo my girlfriend's left me" bits and pointless tacked-on gospel choirs that threw me.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

< / joke that is four years out of date>

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Justine Frischmann was the talented one in Blur, as well...

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, in all seriousness, why is it that my favourite songs on the first album (Run, I Want You) are the upbeat songs, burbling and energetic and just bursting with life. Yet the "rock" songs on the more recent albums are often that ones that offend me - I can't think of the track on LICD which literally made me throw it across the room, but it was even more embarrassing than the Disnified Sschmaltz of the rest of the album.

What is it about those rave-ups on the first album that lifts them away from the dreck of "classic rock"? Is it the bouncing fuzzbass? The burbling tremoloes that seem to give the music its driving insistence while maintaining textural interest?

Cause not all SPZ rockers are bad.

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely the Velvet-referencing Run is about as overt a 'classic rock' reference as you can get?

But yes, it's the bouncing bass and the fact that they aren't swamped with one-size-fits-all guitar scribbling. Did you like Do It All Over Again off the last album?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The Velvets are NOT Classic Rock. They are Classic Dronerock.

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

um, i quite like some of spiritualized's heads-down rockers. the first song on "let it come down" was quite unpleasant, though. real boogie-woogie nonsense.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked the kind of porno funk one, what was that called.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"She Fucked Me (And It Felt Like a Hit)"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I figured out what it is:

Old SPZ rockers are fuelled by the sort of fluid Farfisa drone that wouldn't sound out of place on a Troggs record.
New SPZ rockers are fuelled by the sort of tinkling insipid piano that wouldn't sound out of place on a Bruce Hornsby and the Range record.

This is not right.

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

That's just the way it is, Kate. Some things will never change.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK!

*runs into wall to destroy short term memory*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

La la la, I can't hear you, I've got _Laser Guided Melodies_ on repeat on the headphones...

Girl you know it's true, what can I do, ooh ooh ooh.

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Girl you know it's true

I have just realized the perverse enjoyment that would come from Spz covering Milli Vanilli.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

We've had this conversation before. Milli Spirilli was the end result. Though I'm fuxored if I can remember where it was... SPZ newsgroup? Star Chamber? No-Fi?

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(it was however accompanied by the mental image of Jason Spaceman in silver spandex biking shorts.)

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That was all your doing, clearly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather not see the Dirty Dronerock Nads bouncing around free like jazz.

― kate, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oy! St.Claire! Attribution for the picture please!

Love,

Ian
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I have a passion sweet Lord... www.spacemen3.co.uk

― Ian Edmond (ianedmond), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

those hard-rocking songs are awesome live.

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

What you want done Ian?

Kate, recall what the EKR did to Verve, don't let her fool you, she is pure evil!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just teasing. That pic of Jason is linked from my site. There's loads more there if anyone is interested.

― Ian Edmond (ianedmond), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh we noticed already, Kate had another thread where she ran wild in a frenzy of dronelust.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah. Sorry. Only just arrived, as it were.

― Ian Edmond (ianedmond), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

No worries, stay awhile. Just was worried you had seen that other thread and had come for Kate's blood.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

NME online has just reported that Spiritualized has a brand new record which is a so called "garage" record. Amazing Grace.

― egroeg, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sigh... not going to start going on about the NME just now.

Sorry, Ian. Frenzy of lust made me forget netiquette. You know how it is. They've had to look at them all at one stage or another!

― kate, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Curse this thread. I've made an appearance on the Statscock for the first time this year!

― kate, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian, we are everywhere. Welcome to ILM

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Bless you, Chris. My wife's been here for ages. But she keeps it quiet.

BTW, if you do a Google search on the new Spz stuff - say, Spiritualized "She Kissed Me" - the first two matches are incarnations of your blog...

― Ian Edmond (ianedmond), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

That's cause Chris runs the internet.

Can you feel the love? I can feel the love. Oh wait, no, sorry, that was just a misplaced tentacle. ;-)

― kate, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

You think its bad here, try I Love Secret Internet Cabals board.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

You twelve foot lizards, you're all alike! Hssss hsssss, writhe writhe, tentacles all over the place, and then you never call in the morning!

― kate, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Least we don't streach your undies while dancing to drone rock.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

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