Metal techno: the worst genre ever?

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I was thinking what could be the worst music genre ever, and then I suddenly remembered that in the early nineties there used to be something called "metal techno". Does anyone remember it? It was sort of a techno/trance hybrid which used heavy metal samples and sounds (well, electric guitar mostly). I think it was mainly a German thing. The most famous band to release such music was Eskimos & Egypt, but there were lots of other tracks like this, even by respectable trance producers.

Can anyone think of a worse genre than this?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

beltram did a track like this which was ok, metal magic or something i cant remember.

lenny dee had a couple (unsurprisingly), that one that went "way-o", was that Hocus Pocus? ("i think our speakers are blown". "cold rock a party......until the am") i smell the blood of an english....muffin!

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:43 (twenty-three years ago)

You mean Pitchshifter, Atari Teenage Riot, early Fear Factory and the like? "Digital Hardcore" was one of its names...one of the least interesting genres ever. But I can't think of any "respectable trance producer" involved in this though...

Lately, tracks like Planet Funk Who Said (Moguai Remix) and Tomcraft Into The Light (Kola Mix) seem to go back in that direction though with much better results. But it's a dead end all the same.

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:45 (twenty-three years ago)

No no no, I'm not talking about gabba or digital hardcore, these tracks were slower and less harsh, they sounded more like trance or techno. I might still have a compilation of this shit lying around somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Is this a similar thing to Grindcore?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I quite liked ATR until the novelty wore off. Fear Factory were okay but they sound dated, especially "Remanufacture", the remixes album, which has aged embarassingly badly. I remember Senser being okay though. What about Scorn and Ministry? Although that is going into Industrial territory. Pitchshifter were awful but I know lots of people who reckon they were amazing.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely the winner here is Ultraviolence.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-three years ago)

mighty force - "thrashing a dead house" (1991!!!!!)

― tony bleach, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Aw, I have a special place in my heart for Ultraviolence! Especially the first album and some of the stuff he did as Johnny Violent. Psycho Drama was totally gay though.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

would utah saints' "i want you" also count here? it samples slayer's version of "in-a-gadda-da-vida."

― tony bleach, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Hating on Eskimos & Egypt is a total mug's game. "Welcome To The Future" was BAD-ASS.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan beat me to it!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

MIDWEST REPRAZENT

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

im back to drop some serious science(then im leaving again):
europe-the final countdown

proto metal techno at its finest hour

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Thursday, 22 May 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

waves cheese curd in air like I just don't care

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 22 May 2003 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

they played "the final countdown" tonite on american idol

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 May 2003 05:40 (twenty-three years ago)

are Eskimos & Egypt the same as Eskimos in Egypt, whose deliciously candyfloss remix of the Headless Chickens' "Cruise Control" went top 20 in Australia?

― Ess Kay (esskay), Thursday, 22 May 2003 06:03 (twenty-three years ago)

the E & E 'state of surrender' ep is nothing like metal-techno! its like, really watered down hardcore. or something

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 22 May 2003 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps, but their "Welcome to the Future" LP had metal tracks, and they had also some single releases like this. Also, if I remember correctly, Dance 2 Trance and some other German trance producers released this sort music under a different alias. I can't find any more info on this subject, I guess it was more of a fad than an actual genre ("Hey! Let's add some electric guitars to trance tracks!"), but what an awful fad.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 22 May 2003 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Could it be argued that Come To Daddy took the basic components and ideas we're talking about here, and presented them in a way that was about fifty times more interesting? Or would that be missing the point entirely?

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 22 May 2003 09:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Come to Daddy is an continuation of digital hardcore, yes, but not of trance music. But to call that track "interesting" is quite an overstatement. What's the point of making electronic music in the rock mould?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 22 May 2003 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Rock mold = adding a guitar, apparently.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 10:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I would say that if it sounds good then it has a point, but heaven forbid I might carry on down such a path of anti-intellectualism.

Specific to Aphex, if you can trace a lineage from Digeridoo (pre-trance) to Come To Daddy (released several years after 'metal techno') then that makes referencing him relevant to the thread. Er, I think.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 22 May 2003 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Rock mold = adding guitars, vocals, a chorus, attitude. Prodigy's a fine example of ruining your music like this. With Aphex, this seemed to be a one-shot.

I would say that if it sounds good then it has a point, but heaven forbid I might carry on down such a path of anti-intellectualism.

Well, to me rock never sounded good. I can see that these sort of tracks appeal to indie boys, but for someone who's never listened to rock they're just boring.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 22 May 2003 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Fair enough *shrug* To be honest I don't even remember E&E, except as a name, so I'm out of my depth on this thread anyway. Would Lords of Acid be something like what you were talking about? They have metal samples/guitars don't they.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I just mention Add N To (X)? There ya go.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha Tuomas, because Lord knows rave/dance/techno didn't have an attitude, vocals, a chorus or guitars before "Firestarter" came out!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 00:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Also add lead singer to that list. I didn't say The Prodigy were the first ones to go this way, they're just the most infamous example. But honestly, I don't think there's a lot of pre -big beat/Firestarter examples of ravers gone rockers. Rockers gone ravers - that's another story.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 23 May 2003 10:13 (twenty-three years ago)

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