Big Brovas - death to the superficial Capitalist pigdogs

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"diamonds and rubies, crazy bout Bentleys, Gucci dresses and droptop Kompressors, expensive, shopping trip...money...thing"

is this shameless greed message and obsession with material possessions, along with 'Jenny From The Block' and okay 90% of blingin' hip-pop any worse than The Beatles' 'Money' i.e. just simple harmless fun songs designed to appeal to your average working chump? does anyone hear them and think 'hell yeah i want all that as well! i'm gonna become a star like them, or at least work harder here - i got nothing to live for but the bling' - i suppose its always been an issue but never considered as problematic as the violence problem cited in gangsta rap etc.

i can't imagine this kind of thing lyrically really appealing to people, its just 'well we have to talk about something, and money is kinda nice, after all thats the only real reason we seem to be doing this'...excuse my Daily Mailness but won't someone think of the children? oh where will this madness end? and so on...

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem surely you have completely got the message of "jenny from the block" turned upside down?

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

er...maybe...isn't she just acting like that 'i just noticed that i seem to considewably wicher than yow' types while professing 'but i never lost my roots' meaning she still sleeps in a bedroom the size of a phone booth and peels her own grapes presumably?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

she's saying that wealth could have been bad for her (except as it happens it wasn't)

ie the causal chain is "despite" not "because"

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Big Brovaz lyrics are a great example of what happens when drama school students watch a few MTV Base videos and go "Wait a minute... we're black as well, aren't we?"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

she's saying that wealth could have been bad for her (except as it happens it wasn't)
ie the causal chain is "despite" not "because"

not sure i buy that, i get the impression it has changed her quite a bit - its been good AND bad of course, and i know that track's been discussed to death on here but, apart from the great intro, i thought it was a pretty lame and pointless exercise, but i did like 'Play'

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

the song wd have been better if she had said "I'M NO LONGER JENNY FROM THE BLOCK by reason of my immense bling bling and indeed courtesy my phat material assetZoRs ect ect"

hence yr argument falls

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

'i used to be poor but now i'm rich but because i used to be poor i'm able to appreciate my wealth a lot more AND not let it alter my personality' - if thats the message of 'jenny from the block' then thats fair enough...but it risks coming across too much as vacouus boasting thats the annoying aspect.

the 'keep it real' philosophy has lost all meaning, and its always been something of a double standard - you can't be 'real' when you're droning on about how many cars you've now got. vast wealth will change the majority of people who acquire it in a short space of time having come from nothing i.e. it fucks them up. J Lo seems quite different to how she was when she was JUST a novice actress (and now she's so huge she'll never be in a film even as good as Blood And Wine or U-Turn again thats for sure) and still on husband #1, in her looks, her attitude, everything. maybe that is an illusion, and in any case its probably unfair to single out J Lo.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

don't forget anaconda!!

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Anaconda was her first truly bad film ;)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

cf. Woody Allen's magnificent "Small Time Crooks". You can take the jenny out of the block but you can't....

or maybe it would be better if you could.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dom is so funny and possibly OTM.

― mei (mei), Saturday, 24 May 2003 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah he should work for FHM or something!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 24 May 2003 08:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Chip, that's probably an unintentional insult.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 May 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

'probably'

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 24 May 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(also why are you never on aim coz?)

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 24 May 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

AIM is totally dead on this computer but I will be on later (cozenyo). Nobody ever wants to talk to me though.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 May 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the way the video is blatantly DONE ON THE CHEAP

― bob snoom, Sunday, 25 May 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Er...has no one listened to the final verse of the song: "be a shopaholic 'til you vomit" etc.?

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 26 May 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, irrespective of my Godlike wit, can we talk about how, nowadays, Marilyn Manson and Big Brovaz videos are totally interchangable?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 26 May 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

we can dam well try

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

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