A Case Study : The Vines and NME

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Does NME see something nobody else does.


http://www.nme.com/reviews/11308.htm

nothing like a neutral review of THE PERFORMANCE.

genius? me thinks not tedious? derivative? me thinks so
please cease perpetuating falsehoods ye arbiter of taste

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Saturday, 31 May 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

You think NME is an arbiter of taste?

Just read it for news. It's like watching "Entertainment Tonight."

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 31 May 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

no kenan, NME is a self-proclaimed arbiter of taste. the rag can have its posturing and shove it.

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Saturday, 31 May 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the crucial point there is 'self-proclaimed'

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 31 May 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I tried to read the little review or whatever and then a skateboard dude broke my concentration, so I did 4 shots of Makers Mark and came to the conclusion that I like that Vine's song with Piano because I haven't been able to immitate the Beatles quite that sincerely lately in the drum-machine 4-track disco/funk I've been making in my spare bedroom lately.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 31 May 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I stopped reading at the sentence 'This is delayed NME Awards show is the first UK Vines gig since...'

1. Bad grammar.
2. Corporate promo tie-in between pop group and publication's financial interests makes critical objectivity thereafter unlikely.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:33 (twenty-two years ago)

'In the Jungle' stampede's around the Astoria...

Et cetera. Why call yourself a professional writer when you're functionally illiterate?

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It's almost like this is being in a band with Craig Nicholls business is, yerknow, fun.

The same odd 'double is' error again! They must think 'is' needs opening and closing, like brackets or quotes or summat.

I is the NME, I is anarchee!

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Also two instances of singular noun with plural verb form:

body after body flow over the security barriers

and

this is a band that matter

This is a paper that don't.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)

What do you want, Momus? Zola? You quote in the Biff Bang Pow liner notes is genius...thanks, actually I thanked you within the cd but thanking you again!

doom0-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

'You quote... is genius'?

;-)

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Smarmy!

Actually, from now one consider that intentional - I am exploring an exciting Burrough-like world of typos. And having many literary adventures.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

and yes, I realise that I made an error in the above screed. See, many literary adventures! I am the heir apparent to the uselessness of Burroughs...

Or consider that last night, whilst ill, I watched Space Odysessy, The Chippendales with Adrian Zmed and Selena in a row. Anyone is bound to be a bit disoriented after that.

doom- (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

This is just a journalist who really needs to learn to proofread. The published version was gramatically sound, so clearly a sub-editor got to it, but still. (Conor McNicholas? Isn't he the current editor? Jesus.) Maybe he typed it straight up into nme.com and couldn't be arsed to go back and correct ("greatest! music! website! in the world!" Right).

And, Momus, would you have accepted "this is a band who matter"? I've always thought that plural verb with collective singular noun was forgivable, so long as it was clear that the members of the collective noun were being referred to.

I really dislike the habit of referring to an opinion expressed by an NME journalist as "The NME" - I've never got the sense that there's a hive-mind musical consensus among their writers. But the constant "it's an NME show! the NME is Fundamental To Your Life! the NME is Saving Modern Music!" they seem to be trotting out at the moment really gets on my tits. It's like really bad propaganda, and who exactly thinks it's convincing?

All it does is make you think you can't trust reviews as being the actual opinion of the writer - if it's an NME-awards-related or NME-backed show, is the journalist going to be expected to fawn and coo in order to justify the NME's having booked this band?

And the Vines are boooring. But we knew that.

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I adore propaganda. I've always wanted to join a cult.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmm, kool-aid.

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

bad grammar is such a lame reason for hating a music paper.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Jonestown would be fun - loads of activities to participate in and sunshine! And CIA interventions!

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

A case study. The NME.

Spot the NME cover without Oasis, Radiohead or Coldplay. That's right, there isn't one.

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_310503_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_240503_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_170503_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_100503_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_030503_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_260403_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_190403_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_120403_L.jpg

http://microsites.nme.com/thisweek/img/cover_050403_L.jpg

Week in, week out! The same bands! No risks, ever! Is this any kind of 'arbiter of taste', even a 'self-proclaimed' one? No longer, dear friends. This is one terrified, timorous little tiddler of a tepid, line-towing, corporate boot-licking, herd-following toe-rag with a market research robot on autopilot at the helm. I really hope their next editor is a Microsoft Word spell-checker, it would at least improve the grammar (and maybe Bill Gates could suggest some different bands for the cover).

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

microsoft word is a fucking mess. it doesn't improv grammar you dummy!

it makes sense to put the same bands week in week out bcz they must be seeling copies.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

er...'improve' spelling mistake there.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus, as I have explained to countless others who have protested their hatred of MEN. Consider for a moment - the target audience - and the consider MEN.

Tis an english thing to hate the MEN. Suppose that is why it' named the N.M.E.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, hasnt everyone hated the NME in England at one point? I now that your hatred of the NME is almost archetypical of the Momus character but jesus you are talking to a fellow, who, whenever it is explained what I do - very occassionally - I may add - has heard it all. Everything. It's kind of dull. Sorry.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Though, I would buy a magazine editted by a Microsoft program. That would be cool.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

it makes sense to put the same bands week in week out bcz they must be seeling copies.

And then, having lured the unsuspecting masses, you can do something subversive inside, right?

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly. ; - ) At least that is what I try to do with the little space that I get. My Lomax review consisted of nothing but French Situationist slogans! Hooray!

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:06 (twenty-two years ago)

''And then, having lured the unsuspecting masses, you can do something subversive inside, right?''

whatever suits ya but you are unsatisfied with those covers in the first place.

''My Lomax review consisted of nothing but French Situationist slogans! Hooray!''

will the kids know? will they google them?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Bad grammar and lack of proofreading just seems to betoken a general attitude of smug laziness. If they can't be bothered to phrase a sentence properly, who's to say they can be bothered to write effectively, get their facts right, or give you a valid opinion? It lessens my respect for them as writers, and it makes me think them discourteous toward their readers.

That said, Julio, you're right - you put Radiohead on the cover and people will buy, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's good commercial sense. Select used to have a manics poster in the photo-pullout every issue just so the fangirls would buy, and no-one complained about that.

I've never hated the NME, and at this rate I doubt I ever will. My fangirldom is too ingrained. I just wish they'd, you know, live up to my mad adoration. ;)

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Did Jonestown have robes? I want robes.

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe - or maybe they will start spraypainting them on the art in the National Gallery. That was my dream with that review.

I throw in some funny stuff - and if you are clever - you'll get it - if not - it's there - subconscious, like.

No robes. Though robes would be cool. I had lunch outside the Pantheon last week and saw robes. I went blind.


doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

An up'n'coming piece is inspired by Derek Jarman's - Carvaggio.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

''Bad grammar and lack of proofreading just seems to betoken a general attitude of smug laziness. If they can't be bothered to phrase a sentence properly, who's to say they can be bothered to write effectively, get their facts right, or give you a valid opinion?''

fair enough. but to be fair, when i used to read it, I never looked at the grammar (well english isn't my first language but still)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Why, did they flap open?

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:21 (twenty-two years ago)

arrgh. you always have the last word!

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

But must admit - that looks like a cover of Careless Talk.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio - if the grammar's good, you don't really notice it's there, surely? Grammar's only there to make things readable, after all.

And all the grammar problems Momus so helpfully transcribed for us were corrected in the physically-published piece - I just resent the fact that they couldn't be arsed to do the same on the website. (I've given up on my ideals about people having the self-respect to check their own grammar before they let anything they write be read. The internet has proven me very, very wrong.)

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The live editor of the NME is a very cool cat.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Video nasties: The Big Clampdown:

'IPC is known to favour developing its magazines into cross-media brands and NME in particular offers huge scope for the company to use audio and video to develop it into TV or radio property.'

Media Guardian, 2001.

It could also make a very interesting ringtone property if you shoe-horned the whole paper into a tinny, irritating MIDI file and uploaded it to cell phones.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I have Thee Headcoats' "We hate the fuckin' NME" in my head now. All the same complaints! From 1993! Whee~!

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

You liar, ringtones and spell check programs didn't exist in 1993!

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

...they did in my 1993.

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

You're right, I was just too poor to afford them at the time because the NME stopped writing about me.

A Brief History of Word Processing (Through 1986)

(What a great title, I will write a song called that and get on the cover of the NME!)

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

When is that NME cover from?

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

17 March 1984, Biba Kopf.
http://www.foetus.org/text/nme2.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I was actually trying to find the featureless black cover that just said 'The death of media'. And do you know what, the thing is that 'Death of media' cover (made at the behest of Stuart Cosgrove, now controller of Channel 4, haha!) sold more copies than the endless 'Oasis are the most exciting group of 2003' cover NMEs do. Daring pays!

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Today's NME editor twenty years on will be head of (------------).

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

That title does have a certain, ah, ring to it. ;) But if you got on the cover of NME you might feel obliged to be polite about them! And then you wouldn't be as fun!

Did the "death of media" issue sell proportionally more than other issues of NME at the time, or just more than any given Oasis-cover NME of now?

(I cannot believe I am arguing this. Every obvious-artist cover of the NME makes me want to invade Kings Reach Tower with flaming torches, silver bullets and, uh, other stuff. Especially when it's Oasis, because, for fuck's sake, who cares anymore?)

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I want Momus to change his name to: Info - then his email can be - nick@info.demon.co.uk

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got to stop contributing - as my girl puts it - i'm hitting abstract zone and going to turn into a Warhol/Factory groupie at any minute!

Fun arguing with you; cis and Momus! Have a brilliant Saturday.

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Today's NME editor twenty years on will be head of...

...brand management? Steve Sutherland's going to have to move on sometime, after all. Unless he's tenured to IPC for life.

Same to you, doom-e!

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Did the "death of media" issue sell proportionally more than other issues of NME at the time, or just more than any given Oasis-cover NME of now?

Ah, you've caught me red-handed and rhetorical there. In fact, as you suspected, the 'Death of Media' actually sold rather poorly by the standards of 1984, meaning it sold double what the 2003 NME sells. It's cited by some old hands as the paper's nadir, the moment it disappeared up its own fundament. I, of course, disagree. That was the moment when the NME was closest to a paper like Germany's exemplary de:bug.

As for where to lay the blame, I can only quote Mark Thompson's McTaggart Lecture. He's talking about television, but I think it applies just as well to the NME:

'I lay most of the blame on two kinds of conservatism: the modern, technocratic risk-aversion of the schedule; and, lurking in the shadows, an older cultural conformism. We have to overcome them both.'

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

That Mark Thompson quote is fantastic. I still don't fully agree with you, though.

I'd love to see the NME of today come out with an issue like the death-of-media one, but I'm not sure that's what the NME is about. Not nowadays, anyway. You can have a death-of-media issue when you've got a strong core following - they'll maybe be interested or maybe dismiss it as pretentious wank, but they'll read it. The NME, right now, doesn't have that - and it's not getting a new readership in, not just due to the internet and whatnot but because there is not the interest in indie there once was. In my experience, people at gigs are getting older, not younger (unless I'm only going to gigs for old people). This New Rock Revolution thing has been hyped for all it's worth, but it's not pulling in the fourteen-year-old-girls the way Britpop did.

Seeting aside the fact that the NME has to survive as a commercial concern as much as a cultural one, don't you think the use of established artists on covers could be the NME's own way of combating cultural conformism? I probably bought my first NME because of one. Often the mention of an artist on the cover is disproportionate to the amount of coverage (hah!) they get inside: it's a buzzword to make people buy, in the hope that they'll find something else inside that will keep them interested, make them interested in other music.

You can't overcome conformism just by being non-conformist, after all, can you? Can't subvert the masses if they take one look at the front and move straight on to Q.

(and now I, too have to abandon you. This does not mean you have won the argument, alright? ;) Was a very enjoyable way to spend the morning!)

cis (cis), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking that when I'm editor of the NME my first cover will be a blank white sheet.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 31 May 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

oh cozzo you're such an anarchist!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 31 May 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

C, o, z, e, n.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 31 May 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

When I become editor of the NME - I will put Oasis and Blur on the cover!

doom-e (Jam), Saturday, 31 May 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay this is another grammar gripe but why are the live reviews written in present perfect? Brits seem to use this tense more and that's as it is, but when it's a show that happened weeks ago, surely past tense is called for?

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(haha note use of passive voice blah blah blah)

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

My first NME cover would be of popular jockey Pat Edderey.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

this is thread has chip on shoulder. nme no write about momus no more.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 31 May 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

What's this rumour about NME-writer James Oldham's alleged ties to Coldplay's management, implicating a financial gain to made out of promoting the popular combo? Malicious slander? (ofcourse, Coldplay is doing rather well outside of NME's radius...)

JoB (JoB), Saturday, 31 May 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i heard he had ties to starsailor and the vines, i don't know about coldplay.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 1 June 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)


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