What do you do with your Portastudio (or other multitracker consol)

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Lately I've put down a few things, here's the rundown:

A "Soft Bulletin" ripoff with lyrics inspired by a letter I read in the Washington Post asking the Veterinarian guy asking if a Leopard Gecko had the mind of a dog because the writer's gecko would lick his hand whan it likes the story that the writer would read to it.

A rock song with a vocoder chorus called "Fuck You, I'm John Travolta". I still need to write lyrics for the verses. The chorus will just be monotone vocoder voice saying the song title over and over.

A disco song with the lyrics about a robot invasion. All lyrics are done thru vocoder. Midnight Star-ish.

Some reggae dub in A minor. Nothing new to me, I'm kind of a reggae guy. It's just that a decent reggae beat is hard to come up with on a Korg Electribe ES-1 sampler.

What are your projects?

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 31 May 2003 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

been futzing around with some horrible eno-ish glambient keyboard nonsense.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i stare at my portastudio hoping through telepathy my brain will record my vocals for the songs my band recorded before breaking up.

jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, at least you're doing something, can't be that horrible. I mean, hey, you probably don't have to rely on a vocoder to make your lyrics listenable, right? I do, however, but at least we're all doing something. By the way, as a gearwhore, what kinda keyboard you got? I got a $130 yamaha, you know, with built-in speakers and a hundred and some sounds, the kind that kids do piano lessons on or something, and a Korg MS2000 (which I still need to read the manual for).

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

collect dust. barring this 60s satanic psychedelic-folk thing my girlfriend and i are always talking about.

your null fame (yournullfame), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

C'mon, y.n.f. Do it, for fuck's sake. If Hitman Sammy Sam can get his video on BET, you got a chance, right?

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 31 May 2003 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

sure, but i'm waiting for a tape delay and plate reverb to show up on my doorstep first. then the black widow imitation begins in earnest.

your null fame (yournullfame), Saturday, 31 May 2003 08:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I try to make instrumental hip-pop with my Akai S20 sampler... it's hard. But I'm gonna make progress this summer! I should get a sequencer though, so I can program beats. Can anyone recommend me a good-but-not-too-expensive MIDI hardware sequencer?

Orange, Saturday, 31 May 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The Yamaha RM1X is going for supercheap clearance prices last I checked, Orange.

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 31 May 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't do music by myself anymore. mainly because i'm never happy with it. but el bandido have put down a few demos recently on the 4-track. i'd like to think i'm moving into some challenging territories. experimenting with northern soul and 60s garage and ripping off the Rapture.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 31 May 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

jim is challenged and special.

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 31 May 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

sob

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 31 May 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

you should hear my jandek bootlegs. no instrumental is safe

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 31 May 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i have some tapes of meself at the portastudio circa 83 which are on a tape called syncassette. i have not listened to these early meisterworks for 20 tears.
if anyone would like to dump these on a cd or do a remix for me i would be grateful.

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 31 May 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

and hey jim, when i thought of you and 4trak i thought of jandek, no shit.

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 31 May 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

you'll be sorry you asked

dave q, Saturday, 31 May 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Would somebody who is not using their recording console please send it to me? Thanks!

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 31 May 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm using my 4-track to make feedback noises and static and the like. It does the job pretty well.

ejad (daje), Sunday, 1 June 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

paying my rent. :(

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 1 June 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

oh mike that makes my heart ache. last week the international telepaths finished recording our debut album on my fourtrack. now i've got six weeks lecture-free and a CK500 thats simply screaming "record me!"

di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 June 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for the tip Millar, but that's still too fancy/expensive for me. I think I'll just buy a shitty old second-hand one.

Orange, Sunday, 1 June 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I made my very own one-man Rumours, and even capped it off with a cover of "Go Your Own Way". Good therapy.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 June 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

what kinda keyboard you got? I got a $130 yamaha, you know, with built-in speakers and a hundred and some sounds, the kind that kids do piano lessons on or something

Sounds like what I'm playing around with right now... one of the (slightly) higher-end Portatones. Last night I recorded an electro cover of Pavement's "Fight This Generation"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 1 June 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Casio Portatones are Moog's for the 00's.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

My portastudio is gathering dust in my attic while I do my recordings on Samplitude. I might dig it out to get some drum sounds off the master tapes of our band's demos from a few years back. As to recording projects, I'm doing a stupid covers EP at the moment when I get the time, currently recorded songs by New Musik, Field Mice and Syd Barrett. I should sort something out and do the 'solo album' I've been meaning to make for the last five years.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 2 June 2003 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Now that I've burned the majority of the worthwhile things from the archives down onto CD and my laptop is in the mail on the way to me, you know what I'm gonna do with my Tascam Portastudio 424?

GET DRUNK AND KILL IT DEAD WITH A SLEDGEFUCKINGHAMMER THE LITTLE FRUSTRATING PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

(Anyway, as for what I do/did with it, it was never really the same thing twice, but if'n yr curious what I mean by that, you can just click HERE and chiggitty check it out for yourself < /shameless self-promotion>)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 June 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

In all seriousness, if you are just going to break it I would gladly give you a few bucks to ship it out to me. I am poor and I would love to have it around as a sketch pad for ideas.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 2 June 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

also, what did you decide to use for a digital audio solution on the laptop? software/hardware?

Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 2 June 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, so I'm not actually planning on destroying it, I just liked visualizing it, cuz it's really crappy (power will just die, tape sometimes speeds up/slows down for no reason, etc) and a great deal of the frustration in my life has come from it. However, I can't actually part with it, as my plan for like 4 years has been to BURY my 4-track & the "archives" (6 shoeboxes full of tapes) in a time capsule out on my family's farm. I'm not sure how to explain the significance of this, I just really wanna do it.

As for my digital audio, I'm getting some help from a friend setting it up, and he's also giving me his old soundcard (as he got a new bad-ass one), so honestly I can't actually say just yet what I'll be using, and I'm kinda excited by that.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

A noise rock song that was supposed to sound like Lightning Bolt but doesn't. And a slow song with xylophones and lots of delay that's about the friendship between an old blind lighthouse keeper and a bug that travels around on the back of a bird. I also recorded my band on 8-track and I've been trying to mix and remix it and make it sound decent. Not much luck so far. I suck at recording bands.

NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh but if we're describing some of the stuff we've done recently:

*A ballad about overcoming unrequited love performed on voice and a Magnum chord organ I found in a dumpster behind where my band rehearses with a little bit of pseudo-qawwali style singing in it.

*A heavily reverb-drenched jazzy surf-rock piece, a little Farfisa up in it, a whole lotta my buddy Kevin playing tenor sax, who kinda Zorns it up something fierce in the last minute+ of this track.

*Accordion + Busta Rhymes style odd-rhythm rapping + Alec Empire style distored-as-fuck drum machine track + fuzz bass = whatever the hell this song is.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

eight months pass...
Hi,

I have been having compatibility problems between my Tascam 424 Mark III and my tutor's old Tascam (much older vintage). I would like to know if anyone's else has had this problem and what I can do to solve it.

Details of problem:

I record three channels on my Tascam 424 Mark III at high speed. Take tape over to my tutor's place and attempt to playback my stuff on his old Tascam.

The sound we get out is fades in and out. The bass is most prominent, my clarinet is barely audible and drops in and out.

My Tascam is brand new. The tapes are brand new tapes.

I checked on google and I can't find out any info. So if any of you know anything about this (even a statement of solidarity would be helpful at this point, since I seem, at the moment, to be only person afflicted like this!) and, if possible, a remedy.

Have I encountered a fundamental incompatibility between Tascams?

Thanks!
paul

paul c, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Could be your Tascam is doing something to the tape - like stretching it out or something. I've heard tapes do that when I play them too much, or when they get warped or stretched out. Might also need to clean the heads.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

dleone,

Thanks for the answer. I'd like to clarify something though. Do you think it's my Tascam (the brand new machine which is doing the recording) or my tutor's old machine (on which we play back the tape) which is stretching the tape and may need cleaning?

Thanks!
paul

paul c, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

also check noise reduction. sounds like something might have been recorded with dbx, then played back without it, or vice versa.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Re noise reduction

We tried that. Both machines are set for DBX. This is confounding us. I have searching through the 4-track google groups and can find nothing!

paul c, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

clean the old machine (heads). try different tapes. pay attention to tape types (I, II).

kephm, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I have just checked with my tutor and the old machine was recently serviced, so the heads are clean.

I use type II Maxell and TDK tapes.

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

does the bass fade out at all?
when you recorded the clarinet maybe you had the knob turned all the wya to L or R (or mono) and so when you play it back on the other deck you may want to set it the same way?

kephm, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

bass does fade in and out but not so much as the rest.

I'll check how the clarinet/mike input is set on both machines. I'll be over where the other machine is tomorrow.

thanks!

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Could it be a tape head alignment problem? It sounds like maybe the tracks are not lining up exactly the same way with the tape heads on the two machines.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I found this on the home recording faq (http://www.homerecording.com/rec_faq.html):

Q: Are the four tracks on the cassette-type recorders each a stereo track or do they each represent a left/right channel? i.e. Is a four-track essentially just a two-track in stereo? Whatever the answer, is it universal throughout all makes and models?

A: First, a four-track cassette multitrack is special because a regular stereo cassette recorder also has four tracks: left and right in each direction. The 4-track cassette simply takes advantage of this by going only in one direction and letting you record on all four tracks individually (or, usually, all at once).

This is universal, although different models may use different speeds and have different track sizes or layouts, so you're not always guaranteed to be able to take a 4-track master from one machine and use it on another. And that doesn't even allow for head alignment differences.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(See the last para.)

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: tape head alignment problem

That's what I'm thinking it is. But I can't find anything on the web that definitively points to an incompatibility.

Of course my machine may be damaged, which would suck since I got it only six weeks ago.

When I play back what I have recorded on the machine it sounds fine (which it would have course, if the problem is tape head misalignment between two machines).

My tutor does have a Mark III and I think if I can persuade him to bring that in to the rehersal space, I'll get some more data about this problem.

If the plays back fine on both Mark IIIs I'll know it's his knackered old one that's f-ing things up and I won't be compelled to traipse to the repair shop. Wherever that may be!

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

O Nate:

A ha. That's the kind of evidence I'm looking for! Has everyone got the sense that I rilly don't want to box this machine up and be parted from it for weeks?

Thank to you all. Any more thoughts are most welcome.

cheers!

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah thats what i was trying to say. my '4track' is really just a 2 track (i can only record two tracks at the same time and one 90minute tape is really only 45minutes ie: one side)

kephm, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

My portastudio is becalmed, in a cupboard, awaiting a guitar solo on the fade-out of a track, since 1991.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Godnagnamit. *SHAMELESS PROMO*
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GO!!!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)


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