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Spice Girls - "Say You'll Be There"

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Da Brat - "Funkdafied"

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

run dmc - ooh whatcha gonna do

― dead-mmw (simon_tr), Saturday, 31 May 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Professor Groove and The Booty Affair - 'And So Funketh The Wise Man'

http://www.realtimearts.net/earbash/groove.jpg

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

that's fake p-funk, completely different thing

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount, I knew someone was going to come back with that one. And my reply was going to be that g-funk is fake p-funk. Your move, matey.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

the last track on the jon spencer album 'orange'

always liked that

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Monday, 2 June 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

ummm, DJ Shadow 'Why Hiphop Sucks in '96'

― Keith McD (Keith McD), Monday, 2 June 2003 07:26 (twenty-two years ago)

colin - so you think the spice girls sound like parliament? you move guvnah

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount, is that all you've got? In Australia we call that a slow leg break! And don't call me guvnah, I'm not a f***ing limey. I wash every day.

The Spice Girls track with the G-Funk/P-Funk influence mentioned above is "Say You'll Be There". Its primary influence is prbably Dr Dre, but when he does his hi-pitched portamento synthesizer melody thing with the laid back groove and sweet female backing vocals he's explicitly quoting the coda from the Parliament track "Mothership Connection (Starchild)".

Here's the G Funk home paghe on the relationship between g-funk and p-funk:

http://www.gfunk.de/gfunk.htm

From that page:

"Standing respectidly for Gangsta Funk, G-Funk is the laid-back, Parliament/Funkadelic-inspired variation of gangsta rap developed by artists/producers like Warren G, Dr. Dre, Above The Law, The D.O.C. and more in the early '90s. Distinguished by its synthesizers, slow grooves, deep bass, rolling P-Funk beats, sweet female backing vocals and lush funk guitar, G-Funk became the most popular genre of hip-hop in the early '90s. After the commercial success of Dr. Dre's release "The Chronic" back in 1992, many new rap and RnB artists and producers followed these musical techniques, making it the most recognizable sound in rap for most of the early to mid '90s."

Come on Blount, come back at me, I'm ready (spits out a tooth).

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

holy shit colin, are you saying that *biiiig gasp* there's a connection between g-funk and p-funk (meaning you're only twelve years behind khiry abdulsamad)? was 'regulate' g-funk? can australians distinguish between michael mcdonald and george clinton? can they distinguish between the spice girls and west street mob? (oops - too late on that one!) crikey, do they think all funk sounds/is the same? you tell me guvnah.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

No two things ever sound exactly the same, Sheriff Blount. Nor do any two things ever sound utterly different. And who's Michael McDonald?

What I was saying is that, yes, Spice Girls do sound like Parliament on "Say You'll Be There". But I reckon their producers weren't listening to Parliament, they were listening to Dr Dre. Just a guess.

G-funk can't be separated conceptually from P-funk. Therefore, it is legitimate to put fake P-funkers and fake G-funkers in the same house of Parliament (waits for applause and laughter to die down after this clever piece of wordplay). Rather than asking, who's a G-Funk faker, we should be asking, which of the G-Funkers is a P-Funk faker. If we want to ask that question at all (which I don't really. What I really want to do is have a nice cup of tea. Ahhhhh).

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I left an 'I' hanging at the end of my last post. Appalling editing once again, I apologise.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

have a cup of tea?!!! appalling editing?!!! - you are a limey! (or maybe just a fake limey, the difference between an aussie teatoddler and a brit teatoddler not half as apparent as the difference between g-funk and p-funk (which /= 'funk')(or again, just what p-funk song does 'regulate' (from 'regulate...the G-FUNK era') sound like?) is a (fake) limey actually calling out (look it up) dre for dishonoring p-funk? does spice girls to dre to parliament to sly stone to hendrix mean spice girls sound like hendrix? (maybe if you're australian, and even probably not 'exactly' alike right?) is 'no two things sound alike no two things sound different' what passes for insight down there or is it just another bad lennon lyric? I'd ask 'do they think all funk sounds/is the same?' again but you've already answered that (righto guvnah, righto).

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

extra credit: who owes the bigger debt (literally) to george clinton - native tongues or death row? and if they're both just 'fake' p-funk (ie. 'fake' 'fake' psychedelia), and they're both roughly contemporary, how come they don't really SOUND alike? (not even 'exactly'!)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

trick qn, its goodie mob and outkast!!

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I am an Aussie James, but it tickled my fancy when I first joined this ship of fools to pose as a slightly effete English music critic. Now, I find I can't shake the mask! I even say things like 'tickled my fancy', which I would never say in real life.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

wait theyre just the native tongues faux-ruralist bev hillbillies division, ok redman and dj quik then!!

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i never got parliament/funkadelic anyway, always sounded too much like rock bands

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Being rather stupid, I didn't understand most of your questions James. But one thing did stand out - that it would be a mistake to consider Dre as a faker because he, although obviously influenced by Clinton, isn't a faker at all, but the real deal, whatever that means; whereas the egregious character from Professor Groove is (to me) an obvious faker. So... it seems that a case could be made for separating the condition of being influenced by something (even massively so) from the condition of faking something. And I suspect it has something to do with... understatement? Not trying hard to impress?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, perhaps, there's good faking and bad faking... hmmm... now that sounds like a very dubious argument... the kind of thing Jeff Koons might say...

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

no, influence isn't fakery authenticized, I just think pretending g-funk = p-funk, is only as accurate as new romanticism = glam, or britpop = kinks, ie. not very, or at least not enough. as a line of thought it doesn't lead anywhere - gee, parliament 'influenced' alot of hip-hop go figure, but g-funk showing up where you wouldn't immediately expect it to show up - like, say, a manufactured (not a negative term) candy coloured girl group from ENGLAND (of all places) could reveal something even if it's only 'gee, g-funk got so big/pervasive it even showed up in english records, and not even english hiphop *cough* records (ie. the answer to the question 'who's the doctor they told you to go see?'). again, no big whoop, (especially, if judging by this thread, it's an isolated case), but still, how many other g-funk records got harmonica solos? and, imagine, if instead of fetishizing japanese girlgroups doing ramones or motown, fetishizing an english girlgroup doing g-funk (AND motown!) AND it's a chart-toppah/heart-stoppah! (ie. this thread was just an excuse for me to proclaim my love love love for 'say you'll be there').

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

good faking = brando in on the waterfront

bad faking = brando in the score

good/bad faking = brando in the missouri breaks

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

kriss kross - jump

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

jermaine dupri might own this thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

im hoping he reads my my bonecrusher review for flagpole and disses me on whitelabel....j dupri vs dre/tim/shady/50/trife!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i called him the ratface leprechaun

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the source got their cartoonist working on a cyborg-trife already!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

so is flagpole actually gonna run another record review again this year?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know what you're talking about Blount, but it seems you've taken exception to my comment that G-Funk was fake P-Funk, and rightly so, on reflection ('rightly so on reflection'?! See, I can't shake this goddam Colin S Barrow English man of letters fop persona). So I concede that point. As for the rest of what you say, it's pyrotechnically incomprehensible, though deliciously so.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

issue 274 backpage editorial cartoon: SIMON TRIFE GETS A SHAVE AND A HAIRCUT FROM JA RULE WHILE BENZINO LOOKS ON

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

jb do you think heads in atl read shit from athens

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe send a copy in to greg street

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i cant find anybody in this fucking town to let me dj their party either

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

trife i would let you dj my party!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

if "let" is the right word

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)

hey don't trip over yourself busting out your headphones there

anyway the real (and thus slightly less-correct) answer is Adina Howard "Freak Like Me"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks tracer!! that was more directed at blount though, maybe dude doesnt party though...i was at one a couple weeks ago where the girl was playin all this white stripes the strokes the vines and shit!! and people were dancin!!?!?!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

have you tried with mean mikes? or maybe see if you do late night disco after a circulatory show or something (use them connections boy)? alot of hot chicks in athens were hot for the strokes until they saw casablancas in person.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

the other trick also is to creat some sort of mix-cd a la dear departed danger mouse, do it under an alias, review it in flagpole, then get a gig off of it. still, the most important thing (as krush girls taught us) is the fliers - once you get an in, make sure you make some great fliers.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

ive seen the mean mikes cokehead/my-gf-works-at-toppers dj scene and that shit aint for me, and yo i hate rock shows im in it for houseparties!! check it blount i have da real one on vinyl i will rock it over the fuck tha police beat!! maybe vitamin g will let me at the ultramod

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

DA REAL ONE ON VINYL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (GAWD YES) actually ultramod's a gig you can probably get, and it'd be a good way to get a rep/q rating/buzz/whatevah. summer's coming so plenty of empty dates in clubland.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

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