What genres (especially current pop genres) make the heaviest use of the minor key?

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Someone elsewhere pointed out to me that most salsa is in a minor key. And I've had people tell me that Arabic music sounds depressing because it sounds as if it is in a minor key. I'm suddenly curious about a possible connection between my taste for salsa and my taste for Arabic music.

I am ignorant enough about even basic music theory to ask this question: is the use of the minor key relatively unusual in current pop music? What genres, in general, use it most extensively? Is the trend moving away from it or toward it, or is it not possible to say?

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 00:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

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trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

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Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I suspect you're going to find the minor key everywhere you look nowadays. Dance music of all sorts has been relentlessly minor since its inception, practically. Rock and some pop seem to have maintained a taste for major exercises once in a while, but hip-hop, techno, and many other genres long ago opted for the more intense and yes, occasionally depressing sound of the minor.

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Millar, that sort of shoots down my theory that a preference for a minor sound, or modal music, is somehow a big factor in my taste (since it hasn't been enough to get me into most dance music). Of course, I already know that there's a lot of modal music I don't especially click with, so duh.

However, I'd still be intersted in hearing more responses.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah see modal music = the blues. Tricky, that. (I know that I prefer minor/modal music to other kinds, but I always sort of knew that the ultimate deciding factor in whether or not I liked something was the sonic texture, if you will, the combination of timbre and tuning and effecting that makes it all a big pleasant noise (also funky riddims))

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

and in case you weren't totally down, the blues = practically all pop music of the past century.

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not sure I can accept that (even without jumping into "exotic" foreign pop musics). I actually don't like the blues, in a relatively pure form, for the most part. I don't think you could find a blues foundation in even all Beatles songs, for example, and they are a pretty mainstream example of pop music.

(Also, though, Afro-Latin music isn't structured around the blues, even if there are probably some common roots to both if you take it back a step.)

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

also, isn't most pop music structured around 8-measure phrases rather than 12?

Also, most pop is 4/4 rather than 3/4.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 1 June 2003 02:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't mean 12-bar blues, specifically, I was talking about the mode

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 02:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

"modal music = the blues"

what do you mean by this? blues is based on a pentatonic scale with a flat 5 and a I IV V progression with all the chords being dominant sevens.

brains (cerybut), Sunday, 1 June 2003 02:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pop music of the 20th century was decidedly not modal in the sense that I understand modal music. I think Kind Of Blue when I think modal.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=C2613

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 1 June 2003 02:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

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trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 1 June 2003 03:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hip-hop and straight pop often use minor keys.
See Britney Spears,
"Baby One More Time, "Oops I Did It Again?"
and Blackalicious,
"Sky Is Falling."
It's not that exotic. You may be referring to modes, like
that used by the awesome vocal line in Jay-Z's "The Bounce"
(though that song is ruined by a lame guest appearance).

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 1 June 2003 04:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pop country still uses lots of minor keys. It's a cheap trick, like divas popping up a key to add emotion to a final chorus.

Dan I., Sunday, 1 June 2003 05:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

a cheap trick indeed, but it works. Better than the 909 snare roll.

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

pop country would be better if they used 808 jeep beetz.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 1 June 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nu Metal

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 1 June 2003 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

eight months pass...
revive

revive, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

erm... reggae? possibly

search and delete (searchanddelete), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link


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