Can an artist call themselves "DJ ___" if they don't use turntables?

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Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose if your first name was something like Dennis James, and you preferred the initials, it would be awright.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ Nickalicious circa 1998 to thread!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

If they're Jamaican...

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Who you talking about in the first place?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

siegbran... that's deejay!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes they can, just like you can be MC even if you don't rock a mic

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ Bonebrake to thread

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really just like calling yourself a writer if you don't use a pen and take the word processor option instead... the technology has evolved and the media are changing, that's all. the same skills apply. for instance, i'm going to be doing a little radio show on the internet next week on which i'm going to play music, not mixing much, if at all, coz it's a morning radi thing and i want to play a lot of different styles of music, i'll still be using all the programming and selection skills i developed using turntables in the past, but doing an entire show with MP3s and CDRs for the first time ever. reason being: they're easier to carry, sound as good if not better than vinyl and i won't do my back in lugging records across london, still same meat different gravy, though...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ Food?

hstencil, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

probably, they've used at least one turntable once in their lives, so get over it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

http://users.pandora.be/elvis2/images/fontana.jpg

DJ Fontana to thread.

Richard (avoid80), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Is DA Pennebaker a District Attorney?

Bill E (bill_e), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ = digital jockey

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

What about DJ Conner, on *Rosanne*?

Was DJ Kool (of "Let Me Clear My Throat" fame) a DJ? I forget.

chuck, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

use "selecta" instead?

martin, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't the DJ used to be the MC?

scottjames23 (worrysome-man), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

that's "deejay".

autovac (autovac), Thursday, 5 June 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

dinner jacket

bob snoom, Thursday, 5 June 2003 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

alright martin - think you can only really use selecta if you play reggae (any sub-category thereof) and are jamaican... i'd feel a tit calling myself that!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 5 June 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ Quik to thread! I don't mind about other genres, but when you buy a hip hop record by DJ XXX, and there's isn't a faintest thrace of turntablism, it's kinda disappointing.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 5 June 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ CAREY TO THREAD!

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 5 June 2003 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Deceased Southern regional writer Breece D'J Pancake was not known for tearing it up on the ones and twos.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Thursday, 5 June 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

surely the fact that the term "DJ" has become blurred by new technology is a sign of progress?

just as the term 'refix' has blurred the boundries between original track and remix...

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

A DJ is someone who mixes music together and/or modifies music on-the-fly using effects or techniques.

There is a snobbery amongst a lot of the DJing community that if you aren't using vinyl, it isn't 'really' DJing. What a load of crap. The most important thing about DJing is track selection and sequencing. Having an ear for how to put a set together is a lot harder to learn than how to match beats. Thus, whether it's vinyl, cd, or mp3 is not relevant. The format should be transparent to the listener anyway.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd feel a tit calling
myself that!

you could feel my tit.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The biggest (though not the only) reason why vinyl is used for mixing is that it's easier and more hands-on than using CD's, so the whole snobbery thing is a bit odd indeed.

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd rather not Horace, but thank you for the kind offer

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I baulked at calling myself a DJ when playing records in a row in Sydney, principally cos I used 99% CD but also cos I don't really mix as such. I am not a DJ. I have never been a DJ. I am a player-of-good-records-in-a-row. Not quite as catchy though, really.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't read this questions as turntables vs. cds vs. whatever, but as about calling yourself DJ when you are releasing an album of tracks you produced yourself (a la DJ's Shadow, Krush, Honda, etc) rather than a mixtape style release where you are literally DJ-ing (course Shadow does this too, a la "Brainfreeze").

I have to admit to being disappointed when the first round of DJ so-and-so records came out that were essentially instrumental hip-hop with the occasional guest vocal (and a lot of over 'seriousness'--ugh)But this question feels about 5-10 years too late--the battle is over and the DJ-as-auteur in his/her own right is now firmly established for better or worse.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Disk Jockey = vinyl disk jockey, aluminum disk jockey, or hard disk jockey. Why is this a problem?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i hadn't thought about the hard disk... was going to say about cds being disks... well done sean you've nailed it!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Let us not forget CJ's - Cassette Jockeys

2003 BEIGE Cassette Jockey World Championship

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Friday, 6 June 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

CJ Pinch-Rolla!!! Cooool!

These people rock.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 6 June 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, my fave is CJ Yergy Yeluvy... maybe there'll be collectable trading cards soon.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Saturday, 7 June 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Arch, but, say, "Entroducing" was a load of other records selected by Shadow and played in a certain way essentially. He didn't make any of the noise on that album himself, it all came from as we say disks, thus he was in effect DJing.

Nick H, Saturday, 7 June 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

hell yeah, but most djs aren't artists. TRaktor all the way, baby.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ Tanner is spinning with Crazy Uncle Joey!

Whatever happened to predictability?

mosurock (mosurock), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Entroducing" was a load of other records selected by Shadow and played in a certain way essentially. He didn't make any of the noise on that album himself, it all came from as we say disks, thus he was in effect DJing.

Okay, I see your point, and I'm sure this is the same way DJ's Shadow/Krush/Vadim/etc. see it, too. I'm gonna argue the other side, just for discussion's sake: the thing that bugs me about this line of thinking is that it makes such a big deal about the fact that only other records were used in the production, and therefore the result is, by definition, on the continuum of DJ-ing. That strikes me as ridiculously catholic and a misplaced artistic self-limitation. I mean, once you've got all your sounds in an MPC 3000 (as Shadow did/does), WHO CARES if that single bass note or snare hit originated on vinyl or came from a commercial sound module? Are producers who use both samples and original keyboard or drum machines less "DJs" by this definition--seems like a hair-splitting definitional trap.

Also, part of Shadow's production aesthetic seems to be to strip out pieces from his source material so that the original can't be recognized, or to use original material so obscure (e.g. high school jazz band records) that they wouldn't be recognized anyway. That is a quite different approach form DJ-ing with two turntables (or CD-players, or whatever), where I think a lot of the artistry comes from working within the limitations of source material that can only be deconstructed and layered up to a point. Even beat-jugglers, who take deconstruction to an extreme and re-compose records on the spot, always begin a routine with a few moments of the original recording so that a listener can appreciate the way they have transformed a record from its original state.

Finally, there's the difference between real-time and studio-time. Another of the limitations of tradition DJ-ing (that also simultaneously gives it appeal) is the fact that the thing happens live, in real-time. How DJs deal with this, and how much they can squeeze into a set as it unfolds, is part of the pleasure of listening or dancing. Studio-time, on the other hand, presents few constraints (especially when your studio is entirely contained in a portable box like the MPC 3000). In that realm of composition, a DJ can take 2 hours or 200 hours to complete a 5-minute segment of sound, and the listener's expectations and engagement adjust accordingly. There's a gray area in between these extremes of course, like the Pro-Tools-assisted "mix-CD", but that doesn't change the fact that there's a gulf between the work of live DJing and studio production.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Monday, 9 June 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with most of the above. I personally couldn't care less *how* they create or record what I hear, although "DJ Shadow" sounds marginally less pretentious than simply "Shadow".

Nick H, Monday, 9 June 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

My 50 cents.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

hey baby i'm a dusk jockey

HOT TIPS FOR HIP POPS (mark s), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

If you plug a strat into a marshall and play an open e chord you're using someone elses sound.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)


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