TS: Chuck Brown's "Bustin' Loose" vs. Japan's "Visions of China"

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What's the first/best use of a go-go rhythm outside the DC scene? I recall a friend arriving in Northern Virginia from overseas around '86, and being mindboggled that there was a local style built around the "Visions of China" break -- though I think he was equally puzzled as to how Sylvian & Co. would have heard about go-go back in '81. (Independent evolution, maybe?)

Any other examples of this phenomenon? I've always been surprised that more hip-hop didn't sample go-go beats, for that matter...

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

This doesn't answer the question, but a good (somewhat later) use of go-go rhythms can be heard on Grace Jones's Trevor Horn produced "Slave to the Rhythm" from '85.

scott woods (s woods), Thursday, 5 June 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

And for hip-hop, I seem to think Grandmaster Flash's "Flash to the Beat" (from...'83?) had a bit of a go-go feel to it as well, though I could be wrong.

scott woods (s woods), Thursday, 5 June 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

My Mic Sounds Nice by Salt n Pepa is very nice. As is It's Love by Jill Scott. Pump Me Up by Melle Mel is pretty good, but may not count since it's more a cover of a go-go song than simply influenced.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Thursday, 5 June 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The break in "VoC" = intro to Styx' "I'm OK"

dave q, Thursday, 5 June 2003 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Destroy: Henry Rollins' "Wartime" project

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 5 June 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

This question has me so perplexed I'm breaking out my Japan album right now.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Henry Rollins wrote the liner notes to the Trouble Funk Live reissue, so that I can see... but *Styx*? I actually used to own Pieces of Eight, but I'm having a hard time remembering anything but the church organ and DeYoung overemoting -- anyone got a sample of this intro?

Thanks for the answers so far, and here's a related question to ponder: is there an example of that specific syncopated rhythm (and anyone who knows rhythmic terminology, hook me up here) as a precursor to the nascent go-go scene? I mean, go-go was/is essentially a strain of funk as far as I can tell, but that rhythm got codified awfully fast -- are there recorded examples of that beat prior to Chuck Brown, in what would otherwise be considered a separate genre? It's got way too much swing to be a disco influence; AMG says it's "a bass-heavy, funky variation of hip-hop" which doesn't really skew with the chronology (though in later years it's OTM). Maybe some obscure P-Funk track?

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

is there an example of that specific syncopated rhythm (and anyone who knows rhythmic terminology, hook me up here) as a precursor to the nascent go-go scene?

I need a musicologist, or at least someone who's read The Beat to help me out here, but I understand 'that rhythm' has a direct antecedent in african drumming. I think you're asking for western/US pop music antecedents of that rhythm, which is an interesting question, but surely not one that can locate the definitive origin of the go-go beat.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Good point, arch -- though I'm not looking for a definitive origin so much as prior example(s) in other styles, and sure, we can open it up to include non-Western influences. I just wonder whether there was some known, specific tune, Western or otherwise, floating around that featured that beat -- something Chuck Brown might have heard on the radio or in a club in the mid-'70s and said, "Damn! I've gotta use that!"

...and, getting back to my original question, a tune that Japan's rhythm section might have *also* heard -- not that it's inconceivable they would have heard "Bustin' Loose" (it topped the R&B charts in '78 or '79, and they recorded "VoC" in '81), but if they didn't then a tune that could be a progenitor to both.

(The next question I pose will be less obscure, I promise!)

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I checked back on the book The Beat: Go-go's Fusion of Funk and Hip Hop (at Amazon you can get a few sample pages of the first chapter). This quote might address some of your prior example questions, though Japan and Styx are out of scope:

"This background for the go-go beat became part of American popular music by the late 1940's by way of Afro-Cuban jazz when Dizzy Gillespie and other musicians added percussionists like Machito to their ensembles. It was reinforced in the 1950's and 1960's through the popularity of salsa and by way of the New York-based bands led by Tito Puente, Ray Barretto, and Mongo Santamaria. In DC, Carl Hawkins, Julio Miranda, and Stacy Edwards are some of the percussionists whose work contributed to the multi-layering of rhythms that is so critical to go-go. These artists' use of 'exotic' instruments like Ghanian hand drums and cowbells (which came from Africa via South America) helped to create a music that is very African in its construction." (p.12-13)

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah yes, it's all about that cowbell (insert Chris Walken SNL reference here). Thanks for that, arch!

Y'know, I just went back to listen to "Bustin' Loose," and though it's indeed a great tune, it's not quite as *busy* as I remembered (though things do heat up around the four-minute mark). I guess I'm really thinking of a Trouble Funk-style beat from a couple years later, which is much more in keeping with the "Visions of China" break.

Oh, what the hell: listen for yourselves and tell me if I'm crazy. Evaluation purposes only, must delete after 24 hours, blah blah. I'll keep 'em up till, oh, let's say 6/13/2003...

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)


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