Underground R&B

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Does it exist? I don't mean Blodwyn Pig down at the Dog & Duck, I mean stuff that sounds like the chart stuff, except unpopular

dave q, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel a bit apprehensive abt being seen to encourage the terrifying trife but this was actually prompted by the "unsuccesful R Kelly = nonexistent" comment on the 'punch' thread so credit where due. I mean, everybody knows about sub-underground hiphop whether backpacker stuff made by guys you know in college or the '8 Mile' scenario but what about people singin'

dave q, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It sort of does - in the R&TE basements you see a lot of small-label or self-financed stuff which presumably got put out to try and get noticed and become famous, actually some of the tracks on the "Rockizm" CDS I found and gave to Mark S were R&B.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

there are people like Victor Dupleix and Dwele and Shaun Escoffery who no-one outside the Gilles Peterson listenership will have heard of but are still very much in the R&B vein. admittedly not quite 'underground' or as commercial sounding as R Kelly et al (tho all the better for it if you ask me) but they're on relatively small labels and are unlikely to ever have huge hits so thought they'd be worth mentioning.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Peven Everett self-releases a new CD about every other month. He's constantly switching up styles, but Studio Confessions -- which was released on another label last year and had more distribution -- is very contemporary and very good. He does house and hip-hop and about another dozen styles, and he plays just about all the instruments and produces. "I Can't Believe I Loved Her" was one of my favorite singles of '02.

I wish Duplaix's album would've had more of his house tracks on it.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

is Duplaix/Dupleix's 'DJ Kicks' compilation any good do you know Andy?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It's alright selection-wise but it's real choppy -- abrupt transitions, annoying incidental announcements. He spun a really fun and broad set at the Movement Festival a few weeks back. Definitely better as a selector; he fed off the crowd really well and totally won me over.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Andy, what do you think of the Peven Everett "Studio Confessions" album cover???

hehe, i designed it (along with his site and ABB's)


all the names i was going to mention were already said (Vikter Duplaix, Peven) and you could also mention Spacek. even though it seems to be made by and listed to by electronic heads, it's pretty much RnB.

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

To me, the Studio Confessions were a disappointment. I only played them three times or so after they sent it to me. I expected a lot, as I know Peven from his collabs with Roy Davis Jr (Gabriel, They come and they come, ...) which were except. sweet.

The people from vikter were going to send me his lates album, but they never did, so I cannot comment on it. However, I did like his mixcd out on Studio K7 very much

Jan

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

The design's really striking, Jason. I really like it. It sticks out whenever I see it in shops.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

*blushes*, you're just saying that.

you know, i still don't own a copy of that disc. i was working with ABB on their webstuff, and made a little micro site for Peven. they liked the design for the website and asked me to make it into the cd cover. instead of a usual few weeks it takes to put everything together, i had 1day. needless to say some things got messed up and Beni B - ABB's head boss man - got pissed and started yelling at me. if you don't know who he is, he's a sort of intimidating fellow that probably has connections in the Oakland underground. he asked me where i lived. i said "uh, downtown" and he said, "no, what street do you live at" and i said, "why, are you coming to get me?" and he responded, "you won't know when i'm coming to get you." so i finished the project, got paid didly, and never talked to them again.

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

the little lady just picked up Dwele's "Subject" album. i'm listening to it for the first time and it's pretty cool. sounds a lot like if Jay Dee produced a soul album - which makes complete sense seeing that they're homies and all. the only thing about the album i'd change is i'd cut out his long "oooooh ooooh" warming-up-the-vocal-chord-intros. just get to the verse.

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, and there's no reason this album (or any of the one's listed on this thread) need to be underground. this shit was released on Virgin and could easily get better press, but instead they just released it as a 9$ new cd and left it up to word of mouth/chance. weird.

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Possibly notable here: doesn't gospel wind up serving as a warm-up ground for a lot of the more vocal-oriented r&b material? Any major city with a large enough black population is going to have a church network and a miniature gospel-music industry associated with it -- session players, producers, songwriters, studio hands, et cetera, and most of them probably as interested in the big crossover chart market as the local gospel stuff. From what I know, a lot of r&b hopefuls (if not success stories) come up through that, singing gospel for the families but enough r&b (for the kids) to see whether they can cross over.

Of course the weird thing about this is that the "underground r&b" it spawns is actually more conservative and traditional than the chart stuff.

Note: I'd really like to see r&b in an undie/backpacker style, not exactly in the form of indie singer + undie beats, but something more interested in the chart structures (because Aaliyah and "What About Us" sorta kinda seem like what a backpacker r&b might be, too). There was a Miho Hatori + Prefuse track on a Chocolate Industries compilation (i.e., indie singer + undie beats, too bad) that had me thinking Miho was like the Ashanti of the comp -- it was a good track, but I wonder what it'd have sounded like if my Ashanti thought wasn't an offhand joke but a serious thing.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(Although now that I think about it, it's not like I can't imagine Miho singing "Foolish" or Nivea singing the song on that comp. . .)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
gah, it's still so upsetting to me that more people aren't talking about Sa Ra Creative Partners. it's really the best thing i've heard all year. super futuristic/retro soul/funk. think synthy offbeat thump and weirdo funkadelic doubletracked harmony vocals

also just listened to another ABB Soul artist Lizz Fields at the Virgin listening station yesterday. not exactly sure about it yet. it's got the same kind of Spacek spacey/soul beats, but a sort of neo-soul Jill Scott type singer. i think it's good, but i'm not sure enough to buy it. you can listen to some clips here:
http://www.abbrecords.com/abbsoul/artists/lizz.html

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

you can read a bunch of shit about Sa Ra and listen to some clips here. they're fucking amazing. seriously
http://www.ubiquityrecords.com/ur162.html

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

peven everett is playing at the silver room's block party in wicker park this saturday @ 8pm

deej, Friday, 20 July 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

can we talk about waajeed presents... the war on this thread?

creme1, Friday, 20 July 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

six years pass...

im sure theres a better thread than this one for this but n/m

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/aug/15/timbaland-future-stars-experimental-cassie

StillAdvance, Friday, 16 August 2013 09:05 (twelve years ago)

"We're living in a post-Cassie world, for sure," says Jessy Lanza, the Hamilton, Ontario, singer and songwriter whose debut album for Hyperdub is what might have resulted had Cassie worked with a producer aware of developments in dubstep.

wasnt aware there was any dubstep in jessy lanzas album. i really need to reinvestigate cassie too from the looks of it.

StillAdvance, Friday, 16 August 2013 09:08 (twelve years ago)

R&B 2013

curmudgeon, Friday, 16 August 2013 14:04 (twelve years ago)

Did Sy Smith really fail to materialise in this thread? I mean the woman actually calls herself the queen of underground R&B.

tsrobodo, Saturday, 17 August 2013 15:22 (twelve years ago)


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