RFI: singer/songwriters in the vein of...

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John Martyn
Nick Drake
Tim Hardin
Townes van Zandt
Richard & Linda Thompson
Bert Jansch
Shirley & Dolly Collins

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The above encompass a fairly broad range of styles, but what I'm after is music in the above country/folk vein that features intricate (but not too fancy) fretwork (preferably acoustic), some hooks, a contemplative aura, and a competent but not overbearing backup band.

Any specific artists/albums/collections you would recommend?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 12 June 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Try Neil Halstead's "Sleeping on Roads."

King Kobra (King Kobra), Thursday, 12 June 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark Fry

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 12 June 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris and Carla's solo releases away from the Walkabouts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

the new/upcoming Matt Sharp (dude from Weezer/REntals) record

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 12 June 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Lots of great stuff awaits you, and none of it need be glib side-projects of snotty indie bands. Some major figures:

Richard Buckner, if you don't mind melisma.
Chris Whitley, if somewhat-bluesy is OK; particularly his new one (_Hotel Vast Horizon_).
Chris Smither, if more-bluesy is OK, too.
Richard Shindell, for folk storytelling.
Luka Bloom, for acoustic grace.
Kings of Convenience, for Drake/S&G hush (but not the remix albums).
Cat Stevens and Simon & Garfunkel, for history.
Steve Earle, because he was friends with Townes.

And that's assuming your sample list was intentionally weighted towards male singers; a mixed-gender list might begin with Ani DiFranco, Melissa Ferrick, Patty Larkin and Patty Griffin...

ara, Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Ara, what's your take on Whitley?
I really like his acoustic stuff, Perfect Day and Hotel Vast Horizon, but really disliked Rocket House. Found it too much Dave Matthews-y. Is it possible/rational for an artist to suck when he plugs and sound bewilderingly majestic when he don't?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Rebecca Pearcy's second album

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a guy in Boston named Milo Jones who does great originals and some killer covers of everything from Bobby Russell's "Honey" to Johnny Paycheck to Mario Lanza's "Lord's Prayer" - talented guy with interesting arrangements and a cool drawl. You can hear his stuff at his website.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Whitley's hugely better when he sticks to simple tools, although that doesn't necessarily equal "acoustic". I like Din of Ecstasy a lot, for example, but agree with you that Rocket House is a mess. I didn't have much use for Perfect Day, as I'd so much rather hear him do his own songs. Realistically Dirt Floor is probably the best starting point, but Hotel Vast Horizon may be my #2 of the year, so far, so I'm hoping other people get to hear it.

What do you think of Richard Buckner?

ara, Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd never heard of him before Perfect Day, or if I had I thought he was the same guy as Chris Whitely a Canadian folk-blues player (brother of Ken, father of Jenny). So, that was my intro, when I heard Rocket House, I wonder if maybe he was just a lousy songwriter. But the quiteness is the thing, for me at least, he works it so well.
Buckner's cool. Aren't too familiar with him though he lives relatively close to me. Relative to Saturn, that is.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Buckner: Devotion + Doubt, Since and Impasse are all stunning and major, in my opinion. I didn't like Hill, his setting of Spoon River Anthology poems, nearly as much.

ara, Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I tend to not like anything too folky past the 70s
How about
Jackson Frank, at least one great song, little bluesy
Duncan Browne, baroque, flowery
Jesse Winchester, more of a Band type, Robbie Robertson plays on some of his records
Karen Dalton, that voice, I think it is beautiful

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot:

John Squire's new album, "Time Changes Everything" sort of falls in this folky category. It's a good album if you let it sink in a bit. Sounds absolutely nothing like the Stone Roses, by the way.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim, Fred Neil is your man if you haven't already got his stuff.

There's a double cd set which compiles all three of his Capitol albums, and it's outstanding.

If you favor the more British end of the spectrum, Ralph McTell is worth investigating, though I can't make heads or tail of what is still in print by him. Some of his stuff features "orchestration" undergirding his acoustic playing, if you have a problem with that, but it possesses yr contemplative aura. Same deal with Roy Harper (I think you have some of his stuff?) - first album is all acoustic, then he gets into more orchestrated territory.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim, Fred Neil is your man if you haven't already got his stuff.

There's a double cd set which compiles all three of his Capitol albums, and it's outstanding.

If you favor the more British end of the spectrum, Ralph McTell is worth investigating, though I can't make heads or tails of what is still in print by him. Some of his stuff features "orchestration" undergirding his acoustic playing, if you have a problem with that, but it possesses yr contemplative aura. Same deal with Roy Harper (I think you have some of his stuff?) - first album is all acoustic, then he gets into more orchestrated territory.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck, sorry, don't know how that happened.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Good to see Jackson C. Frank get a mention. He only has one album (i think), so that's the one that gets recommended. His 'milk and honey' song echoes in a few Nick Drake songs.

I agree with the pick of Roy Harper's debut..

Jesse Colin Young - The Soul Of A City Boy

Mickey Newbury's "It looks like Rain" (1969) is great, but i'm not sure how closely that fits your description, or any description for that matter.

A cult favourite worth mentioning here is Perry Leopold's "Experiment In Metaphysics" from 1970. The 8 minute opener is almost worth the price of the cd alone. I'd also say that he sounds (and looks) like Nick Drake possessed by Jim Morrison, but the Doors seems absolutely hated on this board, so that might be a turn off.

Also try Linda Perhac's "Parallelograms" album, although that one might have be more psychedelic than contemplative.

Donovan's "Fairy Tale" (1965) includes some real gems

Michael Dubsky, Friday, 13 June 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

James Yorkston and the Athletes totally rule and would be up your alley like nobody's business

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Lone Pigeon & King Creosote as well

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Terry Callier - "the color of love". his voice sounds almost identical to John Martyn's. also sorta sounds like Nina Simone.

Davy Graham - amazing british folk guitarist. not the greatest singer, but i don't mind him. could play almost any style with ease. hugely influential (mommy, he just said a dirty word)

Kevin Coyne - quirky english singer, songwriter who's been putting out great records for 30 odd years. his 1973 record, "Marjory Razorblade" is amazing, and i also really like the 1999 "Sugar Candy Taxi."

Tim Buckley. never sure why he's filed in the folk section, really only his first record is straight folk. "Happy Sad" and "Hello Goodbye" fit nicely into the singer/ songwriter (with nice touches of jazz) mold you're looking for.

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 13 June 2003 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

ten years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nusw5jwr_9k

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 1 August 2013 19:55 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6pi1JqTK7I&list=PL7D37B154B17940FD

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 1 August 2013 19:56 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPraACLDjLw

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 1 August 2013 19:58 (twelve years ago)

i think this guy is a better songwriter than Townes Van Zant or Fred Neil tbh. Up there for me with Dylan, Cohen, Guy Clark

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 1 August 2013 20:00 (twelve years ago)

the bells of san blas are still rung by hand
hand over hand the child climbs the tower
hammer in hand he rings out the hour
and all of the children are called to the rail
are called to the virgin, the cross and the nail
outside of the cathedral, caught in photograph
begins the procession, thy rod and thy staff

a lavender bead was found in the dust
lost from the chain that had crossed the gown
the pride of the family, the pride of the town
at fifteen years old the procession shall move
and fit into the church as the hand fits the glove
and out come the children chasing the rice
if they ever think once, they never think twice

sister anastasia came down from the clouds
from the city of angels to the city of bells
she offered her solace, she offered her help
she taught them the handcrafts, she taught them to smile
to sell to the tourists to help feed the child
the design of the snake caught in the beak
she came every year and stayed for a week

the bells of san blas were all made by hand
and carried by hand they spread 'long the coast
the bells of the missions of longfellow's ghost
the cannon are rusted, the bells have turned green
they traded their gold and their land for the beads
of the spaniards and indians the children remain
they still sacrifice virgins though the altar's renamed

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 1 August 2013 20:16 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiSSlZLcyPE

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 1 August 2013 20:19 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx4e2Tvc_k0

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 1 August 2013 20:30 (twelve years ago)

why does ilx hate jack hardy?

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 2 August 2013 01:48 (twelve years ago)

maybe it's the voice?

Remember! The cormorant is a big brrd. It has got a long neck. (unregistered), Friday, 2 August 2013 02:55 (twelve years ago)

I don't hate Jack Hardy. In fact, I think he was a pretty wonderful songwriter. Besides his great songs, Jack has been a tremendous influence in the songwriter world with Fast Folk Magazine and his songwriter-group meetings. I love seeing his videos here at ilx. Thanks, ian, for posting them.

banjoboy, Friday, 2 August 2013 03:28 (twelve years ago)

i think jack's got a great voice!

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 2 August 2013 16:59 (twelve years ago)


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