"Bad" interviews - fault of the journalist or the band?

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See my reply to Tom Breihan on the Erase Errata thread.

This is something that really annoys me, when journalists start whining about how bands were "bad" interviews - particularly in Tom's case, when he admitted to not even liking the band's music. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BAD INTERVIEW, only mediocre writers.

Jerry (Jerry), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever. Can't you think of a band where every single interview you've read with them has been boring and inane, or hostile and incommunicative? Statistically, wouldn't they eventually have a "good" interview if all of the onus was on the writer?

NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

This is bullshit, Jerry, and you know it.

Meta-question: should you only interview bands that you like?

I've been on both sides of the fence. I *KNOW* as an interview subject, that sometimes I am just having a bad day, not liking music at all, or my own music, and sometimes I'm just not feeling communicative. If someone interviews me on one of those days, no matter HOW GOOD a writer they are, it's not going to be a good interview.

Sure, the onus (sp?) is on the writer to make an interview interesting, but really. The puppet-actors are equally to blame when an interview is dull. Being able to talk coherantly about the music that you make and why you make it is NOT the same skill as being able to make it.

Your attitude makes me cross, both as a musician and a writer.

kate (kate), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I just read Jerry's paragraph about this on the Erase Errata thread and now I'm sorry I dignified this thread with a response.

NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, this is interesting, but I think artists can set out to fuck a writer up and make an interview impossible, of course they can. There was a really interesting Lou Reed interview in the Guardian a week or so back. It was this chap who I personally think is lacking in the interviewer department and Reed basically was the most unresponsive interviewee I’ve read of for some time. It was very bizarre, but what I found most interesting was the fact that Reed’s PR people obviously cleared this guy for access in the full knowledge that his style is to ask a few inanities then something excruciatingly personal then sign off with an ambiguity which leaves you questioning his subject. Surely they must have known their boy would not exactly be responsive to such an approach – and Reed has a reputation for eating interviewers up for breakfast.

On top of that, why did the interviewers’ editors approve his copy – I mean Reed actually sabotages just about every question fired at him and the end result is a real wreck of a piece in which you learn fuck all about Reed other than he can be an obstreperous, touchy bastard when he tries, which we all knew anyway. So who wins here? Not Reed really, certainly not the writer and the Guardian just get to fill page space.

Alex K (Alex K), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Whether or not the interview is an interesting 'experience' I would think the writer should make it an interesting article. 'Interesting articles' don't normally feature whining, but maybe somebody should carve out that little niche. However the interviewee wants to act is their own lookout.

'Can't you think of a band where every single interview you've read with them has been boring and inane, or hostile and incommunicative?'
Who are these? Do bands like this actually GET to be interviewed more than once? If so, what are you doing torturing yourself reading them? Are you a Dinosaur Jr fan or something?

(Also, if your interviews are crap because you're having a shitty day, they probably come out better than you think. For the reader, that is)

dave q, Friday, 13 June 2003 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I love reading "bad" interviews, they're pretty revealing. Also, one can always try sucking up to the subject, right?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

This is why music journalists aren't taken as seriously as other journalists! Can you imagine somebody for CNN, "I'm not going to the Middle East, fuck that, last time I went there it was uncomfortable as fuck". Or "I don't care what laws they're passing in DC today, they're a bunch of clowns, ignore 'em, can't we talk to somebody cool for a change"

dave q, Friday, 13 June 2003 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

OK sorry instead of 'CNN' insert 'wherever ppl you consider to be actual journalists hang out', maybe Fox or something

dave q, Friday, 13 June 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.meirion.lewis.btinternet.co.uk/pics/whknob.jpg

I had to interview Will Haven about a year ago and it turned out so bad I never even wrote it up.

I really liked the band at the time, read other interviews, did lots of research and came up with what I thought were some really interesting questions but the band were only told about the interview 5 minutes before and they were all totally monged out from a transatlantic flight.

They just weren't interested at all, they weren't even inclined to talk about their own album and music and I assume that in their case that's not because of press coverage overkill. They were practically just grunting, though I did find out that only their drummer knew that one of their song titles was a reference to a Frank Zappa song and that another member of the band loves those stupid low-rider bicycles.

I could have made it interesting I suppose, but by avoiding all talk of music, so at the time I didn't see the point.

Luckily they livened up in time for their performance and I got the photo above that finally proves that not all those rock guys who reckon they get a hard-on on stage are lying.

mei (mei), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i think ET's inference is, even if an interviewee's unresponsive, etc, yuou can still write a great feature if you are a good enough writer... speaking as someone who's written up 3000+ word cover features on arttists after 20 minute interviews, i can confirm that this *can* be done.

that said, i am *never* interviewing J Mascis ever again.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Why not? What did he do?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the crux: if the interview is boring or dull then great. Means you have way more largesse when writing it up. Doesn't mean the article has to be dull.

And, NA... you think it's OK to interview bands you actually don't like? For no apparent reason (Lou Reed or Coldplay: yes then it's worthwhile - a relatively obscure band like Erase Errata, clearly it's not)... Then I hope you aren't a fucking music journalist. Fucking hack.

Kate, your reply is just weird. Why would my attitude make you cross? What, because I take a pride in what I do. Well, fucking excuse me. (And that's why your reply is weird, because I know damn well you take an insane amount of pride in both your music and your criticism, so quit it.)

Oh, and I still think you're one of the best writers about music I've encountered in the last two years.

Dave Q's observations are spot on. Therein lies the problem: music criticism isn't taken seriously as a trade or as a craft. Every last tosspot media student thinks they can be a music journalist simply cos they once heard a Mogwai (fill as appropriate) record. Wrong. Fucking wrong.

And Mascis is a *brilliant* interview: write it as he says it. It's a laff riot. (And, believe me, I have asked him 50 questions in under 5 minutes before now.)

Jerry (Jerry), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

But then, technically, it's no longer an interview, is it? It's become a personal response/description article. Which is not a bad thing, mind you, that's probably more interesting than a 2-hour interview with an inarticulate puppet-actor. But it's more a work of fiction, imagination, criticism than an interview.

But then again, I don't like reading interviews anyway, so what am I talking about?

kate (kate), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Jerry my response to your question parses as weird because I am responding as an artist and subject of interviews, rather than a writer.

The only interview I was ever on the receiving end of that was any good was an interview where the tape was rendered so garbled by background noise that I couldn't hear more than about 10 minutes of it, and I made the rest up from email conversations I had had with the viola player. So maybe that says something.

The way that I like to be interviewed/treated/criticised probably seems to be at such odds with the way that I like to write, and read music criticism.

But it's actually not, because I want to put all of the power in the hands of the ARTIST. But whether the artist is the musician or the writer depends on who is more interesting a person.

I need to process some invoices, stop distracting me.

kate (kate), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Go ahead and process. I still want another column from you some day. ;0)

Jerry (Jerry), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Someday. When I start to love music and make it again.

But seriously. Meta-question: should critics only interview bands that they LOVE!!! ? Because that's a bit of a luxury, isn't it?

kate (kate), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

A dread of interviewing people is one of the reasons I never tried to be a music journalist, so my opinion probably isn't worth much, but I think yes certainly journos should interview people whose music they don't like. If you're a music lover then one of the really central questions you are confronted with is "WHY ON EARTH are people listening to/making music like this rather than music like that?" And a good way to dig into that question is by asking the people who make it. This is why I love Morley's ASK so much.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Why not? What did he do?

nothing. just lots of difficult silences (they weren't even difficult questions). and ET, i woulda written it up verbatim for the comedy value but 1) it was one of those NME 'On The Couch' questionairres, so therefore that wouldn'ta scanned 2) i had 45 minutes to do that interview and a 'proper' piece for a website (which was full of comedy silences and my own splurging in between to argue for mascis as truly erudite in his autism) 3) the whole Mumblin' mascis shtik has been so overplayed it ain't funny any more, and i don't like to repeat other people's material...

But seriously. Meta-question: should critics only interview bands that they LOVE!!! ?

Of course not. But i know my best work has been with artists i'm genuinely fascinated/besotted with, and not the stuff i did just for the bucks... it takes a lot (of money) to get me to interview anyone whose work i'm not thrilled with (and i certainly wouldn't do anyone i hated) and i always do extra research to make sure the experience isn't painful for me, or disrespectful to my subject.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Jerry, apparently you can write, but can you read? Where did I say anything about liking a band or not?

NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Also... (shit I said I would process invoices, didn't I?) I think partly my reaction upthread was a dislike of the implication that there is a FAULT involved with bad interviews. There is bad writing, fair enough. But a bad interview is not neccessarily anyone's fault. Even if you're feeling uncommunicative, it isn't necessarily because you're an asshole or the interviewer is disrespectful or dull. When you've been on the road for weeks, you're sick as a dog and you hate everyone, it would take the best conversationalist in the world to get any more than a single syllable answer out of you. As I think Mei pointed out upthread.

Also, bear in mind that being a good conversationalist - which is urgent and key for a "good interview" - is not synonymous with either being a good writer or a good musician. Good writers are often notorious inarticulate, and write to compensate for lack of verbal skills (cliche number one) and musicians are inarticulate puppet-actors, end of story.

kate (kate), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

When you've been on the road for weeks, you're sick as a dog and you hate everyone, it would take the best conversationalist in the world to get any more than a single syllable answer out of you.

i agree that a good INTERVIEW can be as random as hell... one ex-colleague told me that one of his best ploys was to remain *SILENT* with his subjects and let them unburden themselves in the anxiety of his silence; he's a great writer, and i don't doubt this works for him.

i prefer to burble excitedly at my interviewees and crack jokes and generally inveigle myself into their worlds and enjoy the whole process. i would NOT regard myself as a good interviewer.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

This is where my colleague here at the paper and I disagree. Well, one of the places. He always says that if you ask the right questions, anyone can be interesting.
While that maybe true in its most absolute sense, I don't feel any special duty to make my subject appear more interesting than they actually are. (note: my background is in str8 j'lism and my colleague's is in mrkting) I mean, 7 times out of 10, it's the act or their management or whatever that initiates the process, so fuckit, the onus is on them to BE interesting. At least to be prepared to talk about what they do. I mean, I'm not on their payroll. I'm not even on their mailing list.
That said, I've had only a few actually "bad" interviews, like some band who honest to god had nothing to say for themselves and Smog.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Meta-question: should you only interview bands that you like?
No. You should interview anyone the public wants to know about.
And yes, this includes bands/acts you hate. For one petty/insignificant reason and one crucial/overwhelmingly important reason.

  • petty/insignificant reason: If he got to meet the band, he might find out what they're all about and like them as people, and thus broaden his own horizons.
  • crucial/overwhelmingly important reason: Although alot of what music journalism is about is getting the opinion of someone who cares and knows about music (hence the "music" part of "music journalist") theres another part that 100x more important. A music journalist has a duty to report the news. For example: Even though I find Marilyn Mansons music to be irritating and deriviative and (what I've seen of) his personality to be redundant and annoying, If I were ever hired to (interview|report on) him, I would keep my opinions to myself and report what he did and said, verbatim. Like the old report credo sez: I don't write the news, I just report the news.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Custos, I mostly agree with you, but think you're taking a little too firm a stance there.
I think there is often room for what we in the bizz like to call Colour (or for you Americans and your degenerate spelling, Color). The thing, and this is where skill and professionalism comes in (which is why I do have a problem with how overwhelmingly amateur the music press is) is to not let the Colour distort the actual story.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Custos, I mostly agree with you, but think you're taking a little too firm a stance there.
On journalism or Manson?

or for you Americans and your degenerate spelling, Color
America: the only country to go from Barbarism to Decadence without a period of Civilization in between...Oscar Wilde. Ho ho ho.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

On both.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

no wait, you're not being too hard on Manson.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I agree on your "its too amatuer right now" thing, Although I dig Mark Prindle, sometimes I wish there'd be more "news-like" coverage in music to balance it all out. The HYPE HYPE HYPE Entertainment Tonight vibe gets old real quick. Especially when the HYPE HYPE HYPE is about stuff like Slipknot.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I think there needs to be a balance, because hey, it's pop music! It doesn't need to be ALL minor chords and deadpan, but if we could someday approach the honourability of say, Automotive Journalism, hey, wouldn't that be great?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

that said, i am *never* interviewing J Mascis ever again.

He was so fun! And he likes Halifax!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BAD INTERVIEW, only mediocre writers.

At a zine I used to write for, my friend Mike got a chance to interview Cex ... probably back in 2000? I saw the transcript later. Ryan completely refused to answer any questions except one, whereby he launched into a three page diatribe about how all music today (or rather, that day) was horrible and how Cex and Kid606 were the only innovative, vital musicians in the world.

Xii (Xii), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously, a competent writer could've crafted that into a lively exchange full of bon mots and bad puns.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I think there needs to be a balance, because hey, it's pop music! It doesn't need to be ALL minor chords and deadpan, but if we could someday approach the honourability of say, Automotive Journalism, hey, wouldn't that be great?
Lets hook both the band members and the reporters up to polygraphs and IV drips of truth serum!
A ideal music magazine should be split into five equal parts: 1 part interviews with stars on truth serum; 1 part record/concert reviews by reviewers on truth serum; 1 part comprehensive scene review of some place that hasn't already been covered to death (ie. Not Seattle, New York, London, LA or Ibiza); 1 part (DEFACED) advertising; and a last part for the technoporn fetishist.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Cripes, I gotta pick up the new ish of Hot Rods Quarterly.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The ZQX9000b Eliminator PlusX?
Is it a new fuel injection system or a massively ornate synthesizer?
Its BOTH Daddy-O!
It even comes with meters for both Torque AND dBs!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Hook a glasspak muffler to the amp...and blow the competition away (TM)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

But does it have context?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 June 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I'm all worried about my Deerhoof interview piece. I admit it wasn't all that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

But does it have context?
Hahahahahahaha!
No but its get 35 miles to the gallon and can fill a 30,000 seat venue with brilliant, bassy sound.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(is bassy a word? must be, they named a Count after it.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I should have popped in earlier and made a Michael Jackson joke.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Go ahead and make it; we need cheering up.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I know that posting links to your own articles is second only to quoting your own quotes, and I've already done it once, but here. I found this online just the other day. The worst interview I ever did, and how I managed to roll it into something readable. I think some of it got altered in the philistinic MM editing process, but whatever. This is my only contribution to the debate.

http://www.stoneroses.net/media/mmmay97squint.html

Taylor Parkes (Taylor Parkes), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

And a Shirley.

mei (mei), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Rats. Me and my comic timing.

mei (mei), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

bad interviews do happen - but hell, they can be the best to write up... and i think that's what jerry's getting at...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 13 June 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

This has been a really interesting thread for me, and once again, it started and ended while I slept because I'm in fuckin' Australia. But, if you have the patience to continue, I have three things I'd like to throw in the mix:


1. The horrific frequency with which journalists fail to operate their tape recorders properly. I have been on both sides of this problem. The usual trick is to rush home and write down everything from memory. The artist usually finds out because he or she allegedly says things that are right out of character. (Eg, in one interview where I was coming over as rather thick and inarticulate, the journalist had me use the word 'naff'. This is a word I have never ever used. In another, I started talking about a piece of equipment I have never owned).

2. The role of the editor. Last week, an interview was published in which nothing I had done since 1997 was mentioned, especially not the two new records I was supposedly promoting. Perhaps this was done with good reason, haha. Nevertheless, I asked the journo about it and it turned out the editor had halved the word length... by cutting out the last half of the interview.

3. The tendency of journalists to rehash old interview questions from other interviews, due to the fact they prefer to research the artist by looking at old articles rather than by making their own honest response to the music. Related to this, the failure of record companies to provide journalists with the new records prior to the interview.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Afterthought to the above. Due to one famous incident in 1994 which didn't even involve me, and one in 1995 which did, most of the interviews I have had since the start with the same two questions. I try to think of new answers each time, but after having these questions thrown at me many, many times in the last six years, I'm running out of options. I know that each time I do address the questions, I'm setting myself up for further repetitions with lazy journalists in the future.

Second afterthought: I recently read that an author was advised by her editor never to drink coffee before or during an interview. It makes one's ego too lively and eccentric, and one comes over as a narcisstistic fool (even more than usual, haha). Excellent advice.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

...but after having these questions thrown at me many, many times in the last six years, I'm running out of options...
You could always do the John Lydon thing: Respong to the "same old questions" by geeting up, announcing that "this interview is over" and walking away.
Or you could just hand him a piece of paper with the answer to those two questions on it and insist they ask different questions.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If the interviewer can't be creative by asking new questions, then I feel like the onus (sp?) is on me to make up lies, oops I mean, brand new, creative answers to old questions. Hilarity ensues.

What is this word "onus" that I keep using? Is it a real word? A corruption of a different word? A foreign language that has crept into my vocabulary by mistake?

kate (kate), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

it sounds like it means goat rectum, but it means obligation.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

or clearly and definitively dealing with those issues in your press releases or whatever.

I had something to say. Shit. Oh yeah.
I start almost of all my interviews with the same questions.

"So, what's happening?"
"So, what else is new?"

I always get the namby-pamby stuff out of the way first, so that when I get to the contentious stuff (if such stuff even exists) I still have enough material to pieces something together if the prima donna hangs up on me.

But, I recently did an interview with a dude, and in my write-up he came out looking like a jerk, though we were actually having a pretty friendly and mellow conversation. But he did this thing were he would give an answer and then discuss it and then shrug it off, like close every statement with "I don't really fucking care, man."

But, then again, his band is sort of a smart ass punk rock fan, so it probably didn't change anyone's opinion of him.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I find it best not to ask "questions".

Historical detail can be added before or after, but unless you're going EXTREMELY in-depth on the artist (and they're relatively successful/well-known) it's extremely unlikely they'll have anything new to add to the discourse - mostly for the reasons Colin stated above.

Like: "When did you start?" "How did you meet". "What was Kurt Cobain really like?" Dude! There's such a thing as Google, y'know...

Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)


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