David Bowie's dark years

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Anyone care to defend Bowies work after, ooh let's say Let's dance up until Outside.

Me I like Loving the Alien, This is not America with Pat Metheny and parts of Black Toe, White noise. Have I missed anything good?

Billy Dods, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That should of course be Black Tie, White noise. (Too much red wine)

Billy Dods, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I quite liked his first Tin Machine album, particularly "I Can't Read". But I didn't feel too impressed with his Mickey Meat Man routine on Lennon's "Working Class Hero".

Kodanshi, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I really like Absolute Beginners. No, I mean I *really* like it, like it's one of my favourites. And Loving The Alien. And Dancing In The Street, although I'm not too sure about the 'South Americaaaaa' bit. I think I might like Blue Jean but I'm not quite sure, it has a funky video so maybe I do.

The other week, I bought Tin Machine on cassette from a charity shop in Kingston for 50p. I think they saw me coming. But I also bought Dare by the Human League and Actually by the Pet Shop Boys, each for 50p as well, so maybe we saw each other coming. No wait, I saw them coming because I bought a copy of the book based on the film Tron for 30p.

jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

David Bowie has, over the course of my life, been one of my favorite artists. I own all of his albums (except Black Tie White Noise). While I don't listen to him is much as I did 10-15 years ago, his impact on me has been enormous.

I thought "Let's Dance" was a good pop album, and since his persona at that time was meant to be pop star, it worked. Since then, I've felt most of his work was either sub-par, or overambitious; either way still meant boring. Sure all the albums since "Let's Dance" have had a couple noteworthy tracks, but from a man who put out a decade worth of masterpieces, it surely wasn't enough. I'm not even sure what the worst of the bunch would be; "Never Let Me Down", maybe? It's a really lousy, kitchen-sink type record that seemed to be reaching for an "all around pop entertainer", Phil Collins style, except Phil Collins did it better (gawd).

I had hopes for Tin Machine, and kind of like a lot of the first one, but get very fatigued listening to Reeves Gabrels' squealing, squalking guitar effects; is this someone's idea of dissonance? of rocking out?

Lots of people felt he was back on track with "Outside"... not me. I thought it was a dreary, dull record. Really pretentious, too, but that's a good thing in his case: Bowie's supposed to be pretentious.

The only one I can stand to play all the way through is "...hours", the latest one. I mean, its no "Station to Station", but the songwriting's pretty solid, and he doesn't appear to be jumping on any obnoxious bandwagon (although doing just that worked out great for him years ago). I do wish he'd ditch Gabrels and find a different collaborator, though. So yeah, I'll say a good word for "...hours", and state I'll buy everything he'll ever record. But I won't hide the fact I'm disappointed in so many weak records... I mean this guy was my teenage hero. Isn't there a new one coming up? Let's see...

Sean, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jeez, I forgot Absolute Beginners. What a great song. Best thing Rick Wakeman did since, er Hunky Dory.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How odd. Outside is one of my favourite Bowie albums and I find "...hours" largely unlistenable. I say odd but it's not that odd. It's two people having different opinions about the work of David Bowie. That's not really odd at all, is it?

"...hours" just irritates me. Songs like Survive and Seven sound like a wimpy indie band, singing about all the pain in his life but how he'll survive. "Hold on," I think, "you're David Bowie. You shouldn't be writing songs about pretend upset just because you thought it needs a couple of sad ones, you should be writing songs about being David Bowie. Write a song about going to an art opening. Or a showbiz party. Or being a dad."

But then I think "Oh, no, wait a minute, you're David Bowie, your thing is writing songs from perculiar perspectives, so ignore me, carry on." Then I put on the CD and think "This is rotten, can't I listen to the Pet Shop Boys version of Hallo Spaceboy"

jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'Black Tie/White Noise' - musically tight, smartly political in some places - even though at times the lyrics/intent/meaning seem to awkwardly fall ontop of themselves (but that's his Burroughs trademark, so can't fault him on the title track).

Jason, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look lets face it. Despite popular worry, Bowie has never HAD a dark peroid.

Mike Hanley, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bowie started doing interviews with all the Young Brit Artists circa '95-'97 and it recharged his batteries. "Outside" and "Earthling" were excellent polished experimentation-fests for the college set. Before that, I'd argue that he sticking his toes in the water for what was to come. "Jump They Say" from "Black Tie, White Noise," was an edgy pop hymn to his broher who'd committed suicide complete with Mark Romanek video. Everything before that..... especially the album that Bowie himself calls his nadir, "Never Let Me Down," sound incredible with a good amount of gin. I don't care what anyone says... making an album that sounds great to get drunk to is quite difficult drunk or sober.

Joseph, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Reeves Gabrels must have some blackmail-worthy info on DB, that's the only expectation i can muster for the overbearing presence of his one- dimensional ADHD guitar playing all over everything. Biggest dud in the history of crappy guitar players and I don't think I can overestimate how big a dud that can be.

dave q, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'Time Will Crawl' off of 'Never Let Me Down' is a fantastic song

dave q, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's nice to see all the Bowie enthusiasm here. I agree, there's loads of great stuff in later Bowie - people have written it off far too quickly. Search: 'Loving The Alien' VIDEO!!!

the pinefox, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I loved "The Heart's Filthy Lesson" on OUTSIDE, not least for its malevolent, decidedly Killing Joke-ish riff.

The *FIRST* Tin Machine album wasn't entirely horrible.

alex in nyc, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Outside was fun.
Black Tie White Noise was no fun.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Stranger WHen we meet" is goodins

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And "We Prick You".

Kodanshi, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

seem to remember saying this before ,with less sense of being alone: i pretty much like "earthling", even if my CD copy (which is actually not strictly speaking mine) skips (unless that's part of the famous "drum& bass" influence)

mark s, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You're not alone, however there was a time when I wanted far more from a Bowie LP than to "pretty much like it".

Sean, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Gimme your hands, you're NOT alone"

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gone with the wind are the Days of Wild is the Wind...

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I very much enjoyed EARTHLING, but I prefer OUTSIDE.

Kodanshi, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Jump They Say" was ace.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I really really detested "Fashion".

Kodanshi, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but I was actually moved by "Strangers When We Meet."

X. Y. Zedd, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A week ago i walked into a record story and heard this sexy thick vegatative music. Crawled around my hear liek jungle vines. Asked the clerk what it was, he told me Earthing. WTF ?

anthony, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The "Blue Jean," "Loving the Alien" and "Day In, Day Out" videos were great.

When I first played "Glass Spider" (on Never Let Me Down), I thought it was cool -- it seemed to have this really weird, distorted mixing and Bowie's voice went all vibrato. Turned out the CD was scratched and played all fucked up that time, but never again. What a disappointment when I found out the regular version (and the whole CD) was complete ass.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but I was actually moved by "Strangers When We Meet."

-- X. Y. Zedd (xyzedd@yahoo.com), July 31, 2001.
Urrr... Me too.

Kodanshi, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three years pass...
I really really detested "Fashion".
I second that.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 January 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I really really detested "Fashion".
I second that.

I lol at that.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 7 January 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved it when it came out. Now I detest it. So there.

'Loving the Alien' is prime rib Bowie in his darkest age.

TS: David Bowie's 80's sellout period vs Gary Numan's 80's sellout period?

thee music mole, Friday, 7 January 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard "This is Not Amerika" for the first time today and it was pretty bad.

shookout (shookout), Saturday, 8 January 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

just plain 'ol "ameriCa" i believe
and you gotta pitch that one down on 12" format for full kosmiche classic effect

noizem duke (noize duke), Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: David Bowie's 80's sellout period vs Gary Numan's 80's sellout period?

It depends upon whether I, Assassin fits into Numan's "sellout" period.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That's very personal! I would say, no I Assassin is my favourite album. It would start with, say, The Fury - isn't that the point where Numan himself said he lost his way?

A related question - what album does Bowie finger as the point where he lost his way? I remember him being quite critical of Black Tie in an interview somewhere.

thee music mole, Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

last real good song was called "ashes to ashes"
now thats honest!

noizem duke (noize duke), Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

bowie-as-pierrot came in 1980. numan-as-pierrot (or berserker?) came in 1984, and his "bryan-ferry fury wannabe" pose is charming. neither is very good as an "ordinary bloke," though.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 8 January 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

what album does Bowie finger as the point where he lost his way?

like everyone else I think he references Tonight.

I remember him being quite critical of Black Tie in an interview somewhere.

really? that's weird. I mean it has some bad stuff on it but it has just as much great stuff. I remember it being hailed as his "rebirth."

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 8 January 2005 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll allow Let's Dance and Tonight for the great singles, but I'm going to have to be a snob and say that I find anything outside the 60s to 1980 era to be uncompelling... All I have is all the Ryko issues, that one Rhino comp of early stuff, and Changesbowie, mainly for the '83-'84 singles.

Aside from any peripheral stuff like the BBC sessions or more complete B-side collections or the Sound & Vision set, that's where I'll stay.

donut christ (donut), Saturday, 8 January 2005 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Glass Spider

shookout (shookout), Saturday, 8 January 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Glass Spider that the tour with dance troupe La La La Human Steps?

thee music mole, Saturday, 8 January 2005 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"Let's Dance" is great despite being a Gainsbourg rip.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 8 January 2005 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

sixteen years pass...

here you go, bootleggers: take it & run with it pic.twitter.com/npOJbHWmjm

— Bowiesongs (@bowiesongs) February 10, 2021

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 01:51 (five years ago)


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