― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I definitely loved the stuff back then ('88-'91, I'd say), but I had no choice, as I was a club DJ at the time and I would get asked to play "Joy and Pain," like, *three* times some nights. Mind you, I could only ever find gigs in the un-hippest of night clubs: one was a semi-dive drinking joint in a low-rent housing area in Toronto, the other was a really lame, after-work pickup spot in the Toronto business district. So really, I'm about as hip-house as you can get. I even own a hip-house compilation album (which I just pulled out and is only about half-hip-house, or semi-hip-house).
― s woods, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― ethan, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Omar, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Joseph, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― JoB, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― dave q, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Also: although tracks like Ja Rule's "Extasy", Lil' Kim's "How Many Licks" and Missy's "4 My People" move totally into hip-house territory, there still seems to be some sort of divide (ideological more than musical?) between them and, say, Armand Van Helden's "Full Moon" - which is strange since "Full Moon" and "Extasy" in particular are terribly similar. Any predictions as to whether the former sub-genre (call it house-hop?) and classic hip-house will collide in the near future?
― Tim, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Mark, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Jungle Brothers "I'll House You" definitely comes from house--specifically from Royal Party's "Can You Party" (unless it's the other way around, which I doubt). There was also stuff like Deskee's "Let There Be House" and Mr. Lee's "Get Busy"--actually, I think those are closer to 'hip-house' (if it ever did indeed exist) than the stuff I cited at the top. Certainly it starts from house and incorporates hip-hop, though why the *order* is important, I don't get.
― scott, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Didn't Master at Works do some hiphouse things (i'll have to listen to that boxset again for some specific examples, maybe Chris Cuevas 'Hip Hop'?)
Tracer, that hiphop style of mixing techno is very Detroit, I think Mills started it back in the 80s when he still was known as The Wizard. I love that style, Stacey Pullen, Claude Young and DJ Assault also do a lot of scratching, it just has that jumpy feel that I like better than those seamless mixes.
― Mark Morris, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
There's quite a number of really early Chicago house tracks with quasi-raps on them, but they sounded more like dance instructors than raps. More importantly, they don't feel like hip hop, and I think it's the feel more than the strict sound that seems to make a difference.
But that's the problem with rapping over house, and the reason why house djs don't bring mcs. The four four beat just doesn't lend itself to the kind of fluidity you need to make mcing sound good. Invariably these records either sound like dance instructors, or, worse, like Yah Kid K...
At the moment there are lots of house mixes of hiphop tunes which are actually okay. Anyone hear that disco bootleg of "I know you got soul" or the "Bonita Applebaum" remixes? The latter is really good hip-house in my opinion, handled subtly, still funky and adding something new to the original rather than just ripping it off...
― jacob, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Coldcut feat. Queen Latifah - 'Find A Way'
DJ Fast Eddie - 'Hip House'
Beatmasters feat. Cookie Crew - 'Rok da house'
Wee Papa Girl Rappers feat. 2 Men and a Drum Machine - 'Heat It Up'
― Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
It's true someone needs to invent a style of rapping that works. But the MCing on UK Garage / 2 Step sounds great and can work on a 4 / 4 beat. IF they could only say something interesting ...
Don't forget also there was a lot of ragga vocals on house around the late 08s / early 90s - EZ Possee, Rebel MC etc.
Someone should start DJing this stuff. My fantasy mix : St. Germain / Faze Action / Pierre's Fantasy Club / Tyree / MC Creed / Jungle Brothers ...
― phil, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tim, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Mostly unrelated to this thread (can't find the UK hip-hop one ATM), but I've been struck by how good the 1990 London Posse LP "Gangster Chronicle" still sounds. I'd suggest that it's had a hugely positive influence most of which *has not dissipated to hip-hop itself*, hence why you hear UK hip-hop records from at least 5 years later, maybe even 10, that still sound like lame imitations of US rap. I think a lot of the vocal styles and ragga and funk influences went through to hardcore, jungle, d&b etc. and hip-hop itself in the UK went through a lean period (no surprise considering that it came out before the "great exodus" from the hip-hop scene in the UK which I'm led to believe occured around 91/92).
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― tim checkley, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
ive been wondering about when theres gonna be a hip-house revival. as a european turned on to electronica at a very young age, 14-15 never cared much about hip hop in general. but hip-house has something both house and hip-hop nowadays is missing, and it is/was a great formula.
i totally agree, if theres gonna be a hip-house revival it has to have the "hip hop" feeling to it. armand van helden as mentioned earlier, and also if you listen to playgroup (on source records, u.k) you have a bit of the old hip house flavour, yet in a new wrapping. i think the key to make it work is to have softer house tracks more in the disco direction with a good dose of funk, and most importantly with a good rapper (not the hard beats as on jason neville vs run dmc chart hitter). i dont care if its dance instructions, or a deeper meaning just as loong as the "feeling" is there. hip-house the way i liked it, was all about fun and party, and both electronic and hip hop music at the time (im not saying everything is, but most) is far to serious. I liked hip hop in the early stages of de la soul and the jungle brothers, monie love, and all the artist mentioned in previous posts were doing their thing.
but my main purpose in this post if to ask the question ive been wondering most about lately regarding the topic, and to change the direction of this discussion slightly.... what does it take to bring it back? a dj with an mc? a dj playing all the oldies? more house remixes of r&b/hip-hop tracks? or more missy elliots and tweets who dare to take a step into that direction?
― svendelux, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Favorite hip-house track of all-time = Isis' "House of Isis"
Twin Hype's "Do It to the Crowd" is way up there as well. Mills/The Wizard used to play that quite a lot.
― Andy K, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― nathalie, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
here is my top ten ever. what's yours???
1. Jungle Brothers 'i'll house you'2. Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock 'It takes two'3. The Beatmasters With Merlin ‘ Who’s In The House – The Hip House Anthem Mix’ 4. Doug Lazy ‘Let It Roll’ 5. Young MC ‘Bust A Move’ 6. The Beatmasters & Betty Boo ‘Hey DJ/I Can’t Dance’ 7. Bomb The Bass ‘Megablast’ 8. NWA ‘Express Yourself’9. M/A/R/R/S ‘Pump Up The Volume 7” mix’ 10. Eric B & Rakim ‘I Know You Got Soul – The Double Trouble remix’ (Universal/Island)
― julian rolfe, Monday, 7 October 2002 17:37 (twenty-three years ago)
Queen Latifah "Come Into My House"
― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 7 October 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:09 (twenty-three years ago)
Heavy D's "We Got Our Own Thang" is a brilliant hip-house single, too. Wee Papa Girl Rappers had great clothes--and London accents. Cool.
If you're getting fussy over genre labels, consider this. Rob Base was called hip-house by both ex-NYC hip-hop people and those fabulous tastemakers at 12-inch Dance Records in Dupont Circle when I lived in D.C. in '88-90. I also remember gay friends LOVING the Jungle Brothers, and playing me an X-rated house version of "I'll House You" called "I'll Fuck You," that might well have been the precursor to booty and ghetto house.
Young MC and NWA I'm more dubious about, label-wise, but Base and the other hip hop mentioned above has the beat, and the beat don't lie.
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 08:06 (twenty-three years ago)
Dj Fast Eddie - yes!
A couple of years ago I went to an Exodus party where the Dj went from early 90's fast hip hop stuff like Silver Bullet and King Bee to what we used to call hardcore (i.e. early 90s rave. IMO the evolution of rave owes loads to UK hip hop which tended to be faster than Us Hip hop (Hijack, Gunshot etc)
― spreadlove, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)
Also check out this Spiral Tribe mix on allbacktomine.com - pure hardcore jungle bad boy bizniss!
Just 4 u London (sorry getting carried away here!)
― spreadlove, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― alan jones, Monday, 6 January 2003 23:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 13 July 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― minna (minna), Sunday, 13 July 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 13 July 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 July 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Anyway, Fast Eddie and "It Takes Two" own.
The rest of it was unadulterated shit.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 14 July 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 July 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 14 July 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 July 2003 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)
has there ever been any notable hip-house revivalists in the last like 5 ears or so, if there are any big ones I might have forgotten.
― Thomas Mehlt (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/levgrv
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zupvtx
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/xe6w9t
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)
Who, if anyone, is producing good hip-house or hip-house influenced music these days?
― moley, Friday, 9 April 2010 06:43 (sixteen years ago)
I also remember gay friends LOVING the Jungle Brothers, and playing me an X-rated house version of "I'll House You" called "I'll Fuck You," that might well have been the precursor to booty and ghetto house.
having no luck finding any mention of this online, does anyone know of it? also the hip-house version of 'mama said knock you out'
― NI, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:17 (sixteen years ago)
xp: have you turned on a radio in the past 3 years?
― goon vibrations (The Reverend), Friday, 9 April 2010 18:42 (sixteen years ago)
In the last few months I've been considering making my own classic hip house tracks. I'd just need a proper microphone, and I'd have to bury my vocals under enough effects to make it sound not entirely awful. All else you need really, are 909 and james brown samples.
Also, i don't think i ever mentioned it on ILM, but The Joe Smooth remix of Tyree Cooper - "hip house is the style" may just be my favourite hip-house track ever.
― ●●●●●●●● (EDB), Friday, 9 April 2010 21:15 (sixteen years ago)
did really no one mention KC Flightt?
― henry s, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:48 (sixteen years ago)
There's a bunch of other hip-house threads where I think he's probably been discussed.
― ●●●●●●●● (EDB), Saturday, 10 April 2010 00:01 (sixteen years ago)
which stations in Sydney do you think are rinsing a nu-hip-hop sound?
― one of the jones boys (sic), Saturday, 10 April 2010 00:32 (sixteen years ago)
nu-hip-house
― one of the jones boys (sic), Saturday, 10 April 2010 00:33 (sixteen years ago)
an X-rated house version of "I'll House You"
could it be No Face - "Hump Music"?
― one time gaffled 'em up (one time), Saturday, 10 April 2010 04:52 (sixteen years ago)
yeah that must be it, thanks! it's pretty rotten though: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=18289372
― NI, Saturday, 10 April 2010 14:30 (sixteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iaVmN45Jh4
― dan selzer, Saturday, 10 April 2010 20:28 (sixteen years ago)
sort of. Call it what you like, it's awesome.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 10 April 2010 20:29 (sixteen years ago)
and in case this wasn't posted....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2zNvBNTnHg
I quite like that James Curd track, although I personally classified it as Blondie-esque disco rap, myself.
― Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 10 April 2010 20:44 (sixteen years ago)
i always think of capitol a when i think hip-house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Hb1hGD1qE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBBN7Xc2_S8
― fauxmarc, Saturday, 10 April 2010 20:53 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, calling the Curd track "hip-house" is a bit of a stretch, but whatever! The music is basically an old italo song, Pop Pop Shoo Wah by the Erotic Drum band, and the rap certainly sounds more like old-school disco rap.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 10 April 2010 21:27 (sixteen years ago)
well, I was just responding to the "call it what you like" part of your post. I must say, it really brings me back to last August when I was struggling to fit that into a mix I was making at the time and listened to it enough to have verses memorized.
― Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 10 April 2010 21:29 (sixteen years ago)
That Capitol A stuff is great fauxmarc, cheers.
― moley, Saturday, 10 April 2010 22:23 (sixteen years ago)
Via that fauxmarc's recommendation, I found this collab b/w Capitol A and Ben Mono. Off topic as it's not hip house, but too snakey not to share.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PuNiZUkmfg&feature=related
― moley, Saturday, 10 April 2010 22:30 (sixteen years ago)
Let's all fill this thread with proto-hip-house (well, I wouldn't go that far - ultimately I was looking for an excuse to post this youtube somewhere) disco-rap a la:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVotaQzjnuc
― Where Time Becomes A Loop, Where Time Becomes Aloof (EDB), Saturday, 17 July 2010 04:49 (fifteen years ago)
I don't know why I thought that was proto Hip-House, but whatever...
Either way, look at this amazing piece of utter amazing I found:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpkqAdBkHOs&feature=related
Amazing.
― I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Monday, 23 August 2010 03:07 (fifteen years ago)
*utter amazingness
Also if I'm not mistaken wasn't yo yo get funky made after "Hip-House" and Turn up the Bass, which are generally considered the first hip-house singles?
― I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Monday, 23 August 2010 03:09 (fifteen years ago)
― s woods, Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:00 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Also, if you are still around, I would love to hear more about Toronto's late 80's house (and hip-house) scene.
― I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Monday, 23 August 2010 03:16 (fifteen years ago)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6748525605_d95f792a93_z.jpg
all tracks from 1988! £1!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 January 2012 12:31 (fourteen years ago)
I think I had that, if it's called Rappin' Up The House, which it might be.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 23 January 2012 12:34 (fourteen years ago)
OK it isn't that. What is it? Track listing definitely looks familiar.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 23 January 2012 12:35 (fourteen years ago)
Ahah it's House Hits 88! I had that back then too. Found it in a charity shop a couple of years ago. Think I paid £2 for it though.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 23 January 2012 12:37 (fourteen years ago)
House Hits 88 indeed
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 January 2012 12:42 (fourteen years ago)
on today's evidence it's a very good way to start the morning (NB: i think this advice is non-operative if hung over)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 January 2012 12:43 (fourteen years ago)