Zappa invented hip-hop sound?

i don't believe you.

("...AC!-DC!! - AC!!-DC!! - AC! DC!!" - 'It Can't Happen Here', Freak Out)

By the way, there's a statue of Zappa with an accompanying mural in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania. Apparently he had Lithuanian roots or something. Anyway, he's still the one of the weirdest persons to have statue erected for him.

...a statue of Zappa with an accompanying mural in Vilnius

yeh there is; only 'Rock: The Rough Guide' - at least the 1996 edition - believes it's "in Riga", heheh

in a strictly musical sense, it's the way the lyrics are rhymed across bars in matching couplets/triplets, the way the rhyme lands on the beat beside the backbeat, which lays the punch-lines out like methodical bricks

a very effective way of getting the lyrics to punch, and when i first heard it, i'd heard no rap (i heard this track before i heard my first rap track "The Message") and i thought this song had a special urgency about it's musical way with the lyrics, and i remember feeling that i'd never heard another song quite like "Trouble Coming Everyday" (which i first heard in 1980)

and (coincidentally ?), this song was supposedly about the treatment of blacks by police in street protests (and i presume blacks just _weren't_ _allowed_ to participate in street protests in 1966), at a time when the then media focus was on the white kids "freaking out" and getting dealt to by police -- ie the song seemed to be suggesting these white freaks weren't doing half as bad as the blacks in the "great society" of 1966

was this a song designed to sound like the way people in black districts sounded ? i figure it was -- and whatever anyone says about zappa's other _later_ songs being satires, garbage, disingenuous etc., i always considered this song a completely genuine piece of protest music, protest music on behalf of people other than middle class white americans like zappa, and quite sincere

oh, and mark s's phobia to thread!

OK, as has been noted on recent Freak Out thread zapp can't help but cover himself with framing device ie intone "make up songs about being bored".

as if y'know every song or in zapp's case piece needs this extra raison d'etre, justification + fallback fake/mock sleeve note as evidence of _real_ _social_ _conscience_ ("[i shopped it all over Hollywood but .. airplay is not a consideration for ME .. my my .. etc.. ]") which _is_ pushing it, as if Bob Dylan was not well intentioned however young, naive, quaint, as if Bob Dylan were just the next James Dean

OK so that's very annoying, but it's still a sincere song, maybe just getting the treatment to fit with the rest of the albums brisk intelligent aloofness on display for all to see (uh, rr ..),

-/or collateral damage, real best intentioned accidental sacrificial packaging casualty

+/or maybe more angle, ie "Rite of Spring '69 Revisited" cause celibre (rrr..)

geir actually likes some of zappa's music, believe it or not.

Errrrrrrrrrr, think again, Zappa was Italian with a touch of Greek - but funny how no-one ever talks about his ethnicity.

real talk: help i'm a rock might have invented trip hop.

also maybe krautrock.

whats that disco song that has a 20 second section that sounds exactly like 99% of circa '06 minimal techno

On a barely related topic, I downloaded the first Three Times Dope album the other day and was amazed to find a Belew-era Crimson sample on one track.

?!? woah i guess i never would have known KC when i was listening to that alot...what song?

there's a section in "inca roads" that sounds like squarepusher circa 1996

"Straight Up" has a bit of "Elephant Talk"

(pretty sure it's Elephant Talk)

i'm finally listening to zappa.

bought "freak out" which is awesome. have a great copy of "absolutely free" on hold at my store...just going through the 60s stuff.

this is what i was thinking of (barely related to thread but whatever)

skip to 6 mins in

have a great copy of "absolutely free" on hold at my store

vinyl?

yes! and now it is on my record player...

this album has antz in its pantz. good stuff.

Oh shit, that breakdown on the Kikrokos track is crazy!

The sound collage tracks on We're Only in It... are quite predictive of some the more leftfield 90s electronic stuff.

Has anyone flipped the "Willie The Pimp" break?

dj shadow sampled apostrophe for UNKLE

zappa's estate seems like they'd be really into suing people.

Absolutely Free is pretty awesome now that i've listened a few times.

meat beat manifesto sampled zappa in hello teenage america

i've been really into this one lately

http://www.robotsinheat.com/trax/DirtyLove.mp3

whats that disco song that has a 20 second section that sounds exactly like 99% of circa '06 minimal techno

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apparently Ron Hardy edited the kikrokos track (i haven't heard it yet)

and this guy sampled the ron hardy edit

i remember recognizing some stage antics from the New York 71 album on some madlib album--maybe madvillany or lord quas or something.

madvillainy has zappa samples, but i don't think it's from '71 fillmore east.

just listening to it. they sample "sleeping in a jar" from uncle meat.

there might be something on the second quas album too (they "sample" Freak Out on the cover art)

I would go and check but I sold it

can't believe no one mentioned Return of the Son of Monster Magnet off Freak Out .... drums are hueg

Press release in today's email:

Zappa Records Enlists Hip-Hop Impresarios DMC, Talib Kweli and Mix Master Mike Alongside Ahmet Zappa on Latest 'aaafnraaaa' Track "Willie The Pimp"

To commemorate Frank Zappa's recent 70th birthday celebration, Zappa Records released a birthday bundle on December 21 titled 'Anything Anytime Anywhere For No Reason At All, Again Also.' This year, hip-hop artists DMC, Talib Kweli and Mix Master Mike lent their extraordinary talents on a fresh new version of Zappa's "Willie The Pimp." The original version of the song was released in 1969 on 'Hot Rats' and featured Captain Beefheart on vocals.

Joining DMC and Talib Kweli on vocal is Ahmet Zappa and the killer scratches come courtesy of MMM. Produced by Jared Lee Gosselin for Monsterfoot Music, the track is one of twelve featured on 'aaafnraaaa' and only available via the iTunes Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-frank-zappa-aaafnraaaa/id410582595

Other songs on the bundle include the previously unreleased "City Of Tiny Lites" live from Frank Zappa's London's Hammersmith Odeon 1978 concerts; Ahmet Zappa's "Bobby Brown Goes Down"; "Treacherous Cretins" by Frank Zappa; "The Deathless Horsie," which earned Dweezil Zappa a GRAMMY nomination; and a new recording of Zappa's "Your Mouth" by Macy Gray.

Go here for the full track listing: http://www.zappa.com

The bundles are annual compilations released by Zappa Records on Frank Zappa's birthday or Mothers (Of Invention) Day.