Over recent weeks antagonisms between certain posters escalated beyond a joke, even for those directly involved. It’s obvious from several threads and voluminous email traffic that: i. the main antagonists themselves were regretting that things have degenerated so far and would like a measure of sanity to be restored… ii. several of the contributors to this situation are nevertheless incapable - out of anger or perverse enjoyment or whatever - of NOT piling back in whenever the opportunity arises
The threat of legal action has also arisen - seriously, as a wind-up, in anger or in desperation, it hardly matters, in a situation where mutual perceptions have gone so badly awry. The moderators have decided that a line be drawn, ground-rules established and preventive measures taken.
What’s primarily at issue is respect for the privacy of other posters, an issue which arises in different ways.
a. Spamming fellow posters’ emails, particularly with porn spam, is totally unacceptable. Obviously the ILX moderators would like to be able to abolish spam netwide: unfortunately we do not have that power. Threats on the boards to spam fellow posters’ emails is also unacceptable, as is encouraging other posters to do the same: we CAN and WILL police that. b. Sustained and aggressive or abusive speculation about fellow posters’ private lives, sexuality and beliefs, with a view to wounding, insulting or intimidating is unacceptable. Friendly teasing or flirting in this same area is of course fine. We accept that the line between off-colour edgy fun and actual harassment will be drawn differently by every different poster, that no advance ruling is workable, that mistakes will be made, that misunderstandings will arise. The policing of this difficult territory will therefore be sensitive, insightful, impressive, ultimately influential at an international level. c. Publication of personal information about other posters is unacceptable without their permission. Voluntary disclosure of such information on the boards (including names and email) will be taken as permission for others to use such information, but clearly NOT as permission to abuse them (as for example in the pursuit of a or b).
More generally (this should be obvious but is restated here for clarity), serious threats of personal violence against fellow posters are unacceptable. The moderators’ judgements will be final, on any line to be drawn at any given time, between the affectionate joke threat (fine, however lurid) and the genuine threat (unacceptable, however physically unrealistic).
ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN BY THE MODERATORS: In our judgement, a series of threads, designed – by the poster’s own email admission – to annoy and provoke, cumulatively generated an atmosphere in which the routine minor but mutual disrespecting of one another’s personal space, privacy and diginity was nbot only tolerated, but escalating. Until threats of spamming and violence were being exchanged. Since the latter is clearly totally unacceptable, we feel compelled to introduce a rather harsher policing of such threads than we would prefer. Thus:
All threads we deem to have led to the current situation will now be LOCKED, as will all current threads relating to this incident (except this one). However NOTHING FURTHER on these threads will be deleted: there has to be a full public record of the sequence of incidents, exchanges and threats, as they led to present situation. They cannot be revived, and will gradually sink into the deep ooze of ILX: until only historians, archivists and random googlers will ever view them.
All FUTURE THREADS AND POSTS (ie subsequent to the posting of THIS thread) that the moderators consider an attempt to restart THIS PARTICULAR FIGHT (or its worst offshoots), whether by the named antagonists or other stirrers, will IMMEDIATELY be deleted. This is not negotiable. Absolute freedom of expression clearly clashes with the right to have one’s privacy respected: the moderators will draw lines here to suit, not abstract principles leading to endless dreary debate, but their own immediate convenience and the sense of the situation. Those do don’t like this can go set up their own boards elsewhere, moderated according to their own rules: good luck with that.
Included in these deletions will ALL FUTURE THREADS of the specific type that led to this situation: unanswerable, goading questions leading to cumulatively abusive speculation and counter-speculation about posters’ lifestyles, sexuality etc. We accept that this last stipulation is harsh, and that these threads were NOT necessarily started with the worst of motives, but given the mix of people now posting to ILX, it’s clear that future provocations of this type will, if sustained, simply lead us back to where we are now, and the re-establishment of a climate of casual mutual disrespect towards fellow posters’ right to privacy. We do not intend (or expect) to be back here again.
ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN BY ALL: Regarding spam harvested by the presence of any poster’s email on ilx, there is nothing the moderators can do. We advise you to close compromised accounts and start others, better protected. ILX is easy to google and large, a very inviting feast for spambots, which we have no doubt have fed long and deeply. Many posters have accounts which they use only for ILX: others take a variety of anti-spam activities. We can only advise that, if spam is a genuine bother to you, you adopt one or all of these quarantine strategies.
Everyone involved in this fracas to date is of course absolutely free to post and to start threads as before, on any topic – unless they sin against the above, very narrow stipulations. Posters who make repeated habit of causing the moderators to delete their threads and posts run the risk of being banned, because the moderators are human and their patience is not inexhaustible.
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)
THE MORAL: If you would like the ILX moderators to respond swiftly, attentively and sympathetically when you appear to have need of their response, don’t go out of your way to piss them off beforehand.
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)
Just to make sure I'm absolutely clear about this, what are the moderators' views regarding posters who make thinly veiled threats involving, oh I dunno, just to pick an example totally at random off the top of my head, swarms of flesh-eating warrior hornets?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)
(Love the pic, Horace...)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)
HYSTERICS
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)
i'd TOTALLY read more Aesop if all the characters spoke like this. I'd also be entertained by people's attempts to spell "Fox" in such a fashion.
i dunno. I like the odd drooling threads--it gives me somewhere to post the non-sequitors that i find.
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.keithryan.com/Images/screaming%20children.jpg
http://www.parentingpress.com/covers/angry.jpg
http://thgms.uni-muenster.de/kinder-thg/tga/_borders/Abb17.jpg
http://www.rapideyemovies.de/movies/clip-cult-vol-1/images/img_50n.jpg
http://www.utaka.org/misc/kitten.jpg
That's all I have to say on the matter.
― Sommermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― the moderators (mark s), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)
and i see that someone else here peruses Fark.com...
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jun/20036184353754831257887.jpg
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)
me thinks sinker needs to read the trucker hats thread to lower his blood pressure (oh wait!)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)
Classic or Dud: Music videos with nudity
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 27 June 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 27 June 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Friday, 27 June 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spooner, Friday, 27 June 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spooner, Wednesday, 2 July 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)
Sample quote (heavily condensed):
"In the Seventies ... a BBS called Communitree launched, one of the very early dial-up BBSes... Communitree was founded on the principles of open access and free dialogue. And the notion was, effectively, throw off structure and new and beautiful patterns will arise.
And, indeed, that does happen... And then, as time sets in, difficulties emerge. In this case, one of the difficulties was occasioned by the fact that one of the institutions that got hold of some modems was a high school. And who, in 1978, was hanging out in the room with the computer and the modems in it, but the boys of that high school. And the boys weren't terribly interested in sophisticated adult conversation. They were interested in fart jokes. They were interested in salacious talk. They were interested in running amok and posting four-letter words and nyah-nyah-nyah, all over the bulletin board.
And the adults who had set up Communitree were horrified, and overrun by these students. The place that was founded on open access had too much open access, too much openness. They couldn't defend themselves against their own users. The place that was founded on free speech had too much freedom. They had no way of saying "No, that's not the kind of free speech we meant." "
― foop, Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― a (Amity), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 March 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― a (Amity), Thursday, 18 March 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)