Proíbidao/Baile Funk

Vai Lacraia

Egua Pocoto

Vem Dancar

M. Guerra 2

All come from a pirate CD called "Furacao 2003, Twister". All my respectable middle class friends are, of course, shocked I'm getting into this stuff. The lyrics are allegedly very bad.

But it's really exciting. (And bringing out the Simon Reynolds in me.) A stripped down, return to basics : energetic shouting over raw drum-machine and monosynth leitmotifs. Very much the Brazilian equivalent to ragga, gutter garage, Miami bass / New Orleans Bounce etc. And like those, and unlike other hip-hop derivitives, it does seem to have it's own unique local lyrical rhythm.

I don't know enough of the latter, but it strikes me as the Brazilians selling back to Europe an improved form of the European fake Brazilian d'n'b which appeared in the mid to late 90s. Jazzy, "intelligent" d'n'b with bossa and other Brazilian samples. The d'n'b doesn't sound homegrown. It's outward looking, export oriented. Without place or personality.

On the other hand, I've heard Brazilian funk mixed with Axe and Pagode, the standard popular carnival musics, and I suppose there's some dialogue between the genres. I suspect it's made only for local consumption. Like UKG it's all vocals and lyrics. I have to go clubbing and try to find more of this stuff.

just type "furacao 2000" on the keyword box and youll find that twister record, its very cheap actually

I'm not dissing Brazilian d'n'b. What I've heard is pretty good. I'm quite into an album by O Discurso I bought last year which has some nice d'n'b stylings with samples of other musics. So maybe my thoughts about d'n'b vs. funk were too influenced by Simon Reynold's stuff on territorialization in UKG.

But, Chupa, now we've lured you here, can we pick your brains?
Do you know any Rio funk more recent than this? My friends only seem to know Pocoto and Vai Lacraia (which seem to have been the most popular) No one's telling me about more recent stuff.

Do you know of any overlap between this funk scene and the d'n'b scene? The MCing on d'n'b records I've heard, doesn't sound at all similar to the Furacao CD. Whereas at Easter I heard DJs cutting back and forward between funk and Pagode / Axe and could hear a continuity between the vocal styles.

Also, although I'm probably too led by Reynolds. I still feel that the d'n'b I've heard does sound pretty international. What I meant in my previous comment is that the noticable Brazilian influence in Brazilian d'n'b doesn't sound much different from the use made of Brazilian samples by European producers. In fact, the international popularity of Brazilian d'n'b seems to coincide with a worldwide move back towards pop / melodic d'n'b.

Finally, from your perspective, what's really happening in Brazil. I don't know. I've been living off and on in Brasilia for two years, and I still don't know the cool record shops, assuming that there are some here. :-(

DJ Marky & XRS Land - LK (V Recordings)

was probably the biggest dnb record of the last two years

The thing is drum and bass mostly is more elitist, for people who have to money for big clubs and its most of it is from Sao Paulo whereas funk is all Rio and thinking of it i never heard a mc singing in portuguese over d'n'b. Brazilian d'n'b is indeed very similar to the Brasil-influenced european d'n'b but i dont agree with is the notion that is "for export"(like most modern bossa nova) and what i really like about brasilian d'n'b is that its not really a big improvementent in drum and bass itself but more a improvement in brasilian pop music.

This post was just a big unthinked mess but you asked for it

'iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's the waaaaaaaaaaaay that we play thiiiiiis sound' ;)

BTW : I seem to remember you're in Recife? What's happing locally there?

http://www.evil-wire.org/~ampere/mp3/funky/

There was a discussion on Tribe.net (where I saw this linked) saying some of the files were broken. I've only downloaded a couple so far but the one's I tried have all been fine.

"to stirmonster
fucking critics eh! i'm inclined to give you a silver star pending your comp of brazilian funk(ball) rap" (from woebot)

also something about someone called diplo (look, i dont make up the names, right...) compiling something for big dada that i heard about from....er....somewhere else.

whats the deal with all this then? been waiting 2 yrs for this to come along, and it ends up on...big dada?!?!
(side note: according to ninjatune.net this diplo dude "makes the kind of hard-edged, razor-drummed, krunked up Southern bounce you’ve only dreamt of". er......)

i am brazilian and this is the worst shit ever made.

this may be exotic for you, but it is just pure crap.

if you want to know about brazilian music, i can teach you. but don't listen to this.

This album will almost definitely make my top ten this year.

Where the hell can i order it?!

for anyone that's done both, how above par are the tracks Diplo picked. sometimes i just can't really get into this stuff and wonder if i'm listening to bad picks (only those from the links above)

I don't own the compilation you're talking about, but Quem que cagetou?, aka the one on the peugeot ad, is an apalling tirade of gangster unpleasantness.

the title means Who's the snitch? and it's about getting brutal revenge.

When you shoot / I'm no longer in your sights / I'm your shadow etc

And it goes on to talk about cutting off fingers and what have you. Lovely stuff. I read not that long ago (in the Guardian I think) that Brazilians are nonplussed by the success of that track in the UK. If people only knew what these fellows were actually saying...

i still really like the favela on blast cd (still hate that track that samples the verve though, whether or not thats something diplo did or just the original i dont know), dont like the funk carioca cd or favela booty beats *quite* as much cos it seems the sound of the tracks is a tiny bit 'smaller' or cleaner/harsher (or maybe this is just my ears playing tricks on me) than on diplo's mix-cd and i seem to prefer hearing them mixed in quick succession.

the sound just seems that little bit rawer/bigger on FOB. also, i dont know if its that the songs on diplos thing are more from the hardcore side of things or if i seem to prefer hearing them mixed in quick succession, but his selection generally seems a bit better than the other comps too.

I haven't heard FOB but I agree that the FBB comps are a bit weak on selection, veering too far away from the rawer side in favor of cutesy-sounding stuff. I think there is some weird mastering going on, so I don't think it's your ears (unless mine are playing the same tricks). I think I almost prefer the low quality bitrate stuff.

favela strikes back ruins the goodwill built by FOB though - all those novelty baile funk+big 80s pop/rock hit-sample tracks grate enormously.

Dear baile funk,

80s samples no

Rave stabs yes

thx

Why not both?? Or even better, 80s samples turned into rave stabs.

Because I am so fucking sick of '80s nostalgia and hearing "Sweet Dreams" and "Push It" all the time. I do love when they chop a sample to pieces instead of a straight jack though... a bit more creative, and it makes spot-the-sample a bit more challenging.

so are those tracks with the eurythmics/smiths samples proper tracks or oh-so-clever mashups that diplo did?

I don't know, I haven't heard the Diplo mixes, except for the Fabric one. I don't think he's got a monopoly on sampling "Sweet Dreams" though. I have at least 3 reggaeton versions of it.

There's plenty of more creative things to sample and chop. I've heard great stuff that uses MC Shy-D acapellas, Middle Eastern music (As Danadinhas is a girl group that has a few tracks like this I think), Tool riffs, all manner of obscure Miami bass tracks... On "montagems" (which I think means remix) you can find literally anything sampled... old Brazilian music, soccer chants, spaghetti westerns, the portuguese dub of Beverly Hills Cop, Star Wars. There are parody groups that satirize baile funk, but even those can be pretty out-there and creative. Why limit it to songs everyone knows and everyone's heard a million times? I don't want DJs to drop these songs any more, and I don't want to hear those riffs sampled unless it gets chopped up the way I know the good producers can. Bonde Do Role has the same problem - should never have pushed such a shallow cock-rock + baile-funk mashup for more than an EP.

it says a lot about diplo though that out of all the baile funk he could have signed and pushed to expose the genre, he chose a piss-taking group like bonde do role.

Snakes on a Plane!

RIO BAILE FUNK BREAKS

http://www.racialicious.com/2007/07/19/globalization-or-zoo-like-exploitation-slum-tours-on-the-rise/

http://beatdiaspora.blogspot.com/2008/04/unlabeled-anonymous-as-exotic-in.html

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*“ Culture Is Our Weapon” Making Music and Changing Lives in Rio de Janeiro
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