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I like "Calling All Angels" enough to declare them my personal kings of AC schmaltz. They *pulverize* the Goo Goo Dolls!

Plus, I once saw a cheapo behind-the-scenes show on local cable, and was fascinated by the frontman's creepy, chutzpah-laden smarm. (Which I think comes through nicely in their music.)

All aboard!

Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Goo Goo Dolls > Train. No contest.

The GGD have an amazing string of great radio songs, while Train have the awful "Meet Virginia" and a Black Crowes cover, er, *homage*, shall we say...

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Train formula:
1. Put all your effort (ie: not much) into one blandy-sounding unmemorable Counting Crows rip.
2. Put no effort into the rest of your songs, for they do not matter.
3. Release record, have one big hit, sustain career for another couple years.

The Goo Goo Dolls are better without question.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

jeez whats happened to radio rock. id pay to see huey lewis and the news back on the radio at this point.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Another great band from "'Cisco"!

Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Adding to the Goo Goo Dolls praise here -- underappreciated brilliance. Train = major bleah.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

But the Goo Goo Dolls play it so safe, hewing dutifully to the kind of bland jangle that has brought them success. (That "I just want you to know who I ammmmm" song is one of my least favorite of recent times.)

Train, on the other hand, are pleasantly, grotesquely over the top with their yuppie anthems. "Drops of Jupiter"!

Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 19 June 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(I concede "Meet Virginia" sucks. But you gotta hear "Calling All Angels"!)

Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 19 June 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

The first time I ever became cognizant that there was a group in the world named Train, was a few years ago when they were the in-studio guest on CNBC's Power Lunch program.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 19 June 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

See?! They're craven! And that name: "Train."

Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 19 June 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

like counting crows and third eye blind, train are another band from san francisco that no-one ever heard about until they were signed to a major label. which makes me think that there is some other kind of hidden music scene of shit out here filled with bands who never play out in local clubs and spend loads of money and time kissing label reps asses in LA. which makes them a band from LA as far as I'm concerned.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 June 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

She checks out Mozart while she does tae-bo
Reminds me that there's time to grow gabba gabba hey

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Boring band. Boring name. Boring music. Boring.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

haven't heard anything off their new album but their best song beforehand, "Drops Of Jupiter," was a shitty love song to Jewel. The only good thing about them is that the singer dropped that ugly ass moustache between "Meet Virginia" (which is fucking EVIL) and the second album.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, BIG MUTHERFUCKING DUD.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

fucking mats ripoffs the lot of 'em.

Evan (Evan), Friday, 20 June 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmmm....the Goo Goo Dolls are definetely Replacements rip-offs, but I doubt Train have ever even heard of them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the Goo Goo Dolls are definetely Replacements rip-offs

Personally I prefer the term 'improvements'...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

You should be set on fire for that Ned.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard similar.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

BAD FORM, Ned! :)

Tom Erlewine gave the last Train thingamabob a glowing review on AMG. (I think it was him.) What the hell was he thinking?! :D

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

BAD FORM, Ned! :)

Goddamn the Puerto Rican rough boys are after my ass! I'll never be able to visit San Juan now and talk about T. Rex. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"Train" is a nice, vanilla, very-slightly-groovy rocksong. I like it. The rest of their stuff simply recycled the formula, however, to very tepid results.

Sean M (Sean M), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom Erlewine gave the last Train thingamabob a glowing review on AMG.

Wow. That's, uh... quite a review. (By Thom Jurek, actually.)

Let it be known, I don't like 'em THAT much!

"My Private Nation is not an album about angst, but about transcending it and the paralyzing cynicism that goes with it. The question is, when was the last time listeners got a rock & roll album that could do that without cowering in fear of having its optimism shattered? Not in a long time. But that's because My Private Nation isn't about optimism; it's about the flickering glimmer in the darkness, in the heart, in the culture, in the world, and how it should — and can — be seized, right now."

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(...or does this review make me like and fear them even MORE??!?)

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"Goddamn the Puerto Rican rough boys are after my ass! I'll never be able to visit San Juan now and talk about T. Rex. ;-)"

Haha! Very nahz...;D

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

One tries. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, I must have a word or two with you! You are solely responsible for getting me and most of my friends into the Buzzcocks, among others. How dare you persuade us good Catholic boys into deviating from the path ordained!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

! What, those AMG reviews had an impact? Dang. Well hey then. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make, Ned!
(Whatever the hell that means!) :)

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Astounding! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
WORST BAND EVER ARRRRRRGH

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

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Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised at myself for quite liking "Calling All Angels", especially considering how much I DESPISED "Drops Of Jupiter." (First coupla times I heard it, I vaguely thought it was a particularly bad '90s Aerosmith tune. I felt neither relief nor despair upon learning that I was mistaken.) Anyway, I've only heard those two songs, so:
"Calling All Angels" - C
"Drops Of Jupiter" - D
The Tie-breaker: "Train" (the bandname) Quite an impressive feat that such a stupid, trivial name can strike me as completely innocuous and unmemorable and simultaneously piss me off immensely for reasons I can't even say. So, in conclusion:

DUD

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

MY FATHER'S BAND PWNED TRAIN!!!
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AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: "wears high heels when she exercises" vs. "checks out Mozart while she does Tae-Bo"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

my son likes 'em so I listen (and hold my tongue). whoever writes their lyrics comes up w/the dopiest rhymes ever, on every song. somebody introduce this guy to free verse.
D (whisper it).

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

"My heart is bound to beat right out my untrimmed chest"

Wha???

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:04 (fifteen years ago)

gross

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:34 (fifteen years ago)

the new single is one of the worst things i've ever heard

ksh, Saturday, 27 March 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8U1cX75vUc

what

markers, Friday, 30 July 2010 06:36 (fifteen years ago)

"Hey Soul Sister" is the worst single of the decade.

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:34 (fifteen years ago)

otm

ballerrr (The Reverend), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

i always knew ilx was a bit out of touch but after that "i gotta feelin" thread and now this. you guys gotta carve out fifteen minutes of assigned forkcast listening turn on radio or something because this song has been inescapable for months

or maybe i'm the only one here who hears 8 hours of the local soft-rock radio station at work like every day of my life

gold bullion logic (samosa gibreel), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:47 (fifteen years ago)

this is my ~6 month old baby cousin's favourite song, she sways & claps every time it comes on in the car. it's super adorable obv and is kind of an otm metaphor for the song's appeal

gold bullion logic (samosa gibreel), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)

the thread was revived by "markers," who is the same person as "ksh," who posted about disliking the song in March. i don't know why he revived the thread with that particular vid of the song, but i'm just saying.

The chickbad from the ludicrous 'ludacris' song (some dude), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)

ah

gold bullion logic (samosa gibreel), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:51 (fifteen years ago)

i always knew ilx was a bit out of touch but after that "i gotta feelin" thread and now this. you guys gotta carve out fifteen minutes of assigned forkcast listening turn on radio or something because this song has been inescapable for months

You're not going to find many people on ILM who listen to the radio as much as the people who've posted since the thread revival.

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:56 (fifteen years ago)

Also...

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:57 (fifteen years ago)

igi, i was being a crank. i usually don't like it when people yack about who lives under a rock, just kind of funny that two enormous ubiquitous singles got revives/threads in the past day

gold bullion logic (samosa gibreel), Friday, 30 July 2010 11:59 (fifteen years ago)

ok listening to this song...it's pretty bad, but not any worse than "If It's Love" tbh

Butch Walker's last couple solo albums are great and he was all over the last Fall Out Boy and Pink albums i loved, did prob the best later Weezer single, etc. so that stuff outshines whatever crap he's been involved with.

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:23 (thirteen years ago)

i liked "if it's love" too \o/

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

the whole wordy staccato verses/big melodic chorus thing is really grating to me as a pop/rock formula

oh my god i just looked up Train on Spotify and the deluxe edition of their last album has a cover of "Umbrella"

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:33 (thirteen years ago)

nb: also love third eye blind

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:36 (thirteen years ago)

threeeb is better than train, though, obv

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:37 (thirteen years ago)

yeah agreed - i was just saying why the whole wordy staccato verses/big melodic chorus thing might not bother me

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:41 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i guess that's where you were coming from with that -- "semi charmed life" still has fairly melodic verses, though -- "if it's love" is like a bad standup act where the closest thing to a punchine is "remember winger?"

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:43 (thirteen years ago)

Now that this song is here, I know exactly when to set the time machine for so that I can get to their van before they do, slash the tires, and keep them from reaching their major label showcase and getting signed to Aware records or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:06 (thirteen years ago)

oh my god i just looked up Train on Spotify and the deluxe edition of their last album has a cover of "Umbrella"

how can a band so terrible be simultaneously so entertaining

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:50 (thirteen years ago)

happens all the time, doesn't it?

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:55 (thirteen years ago)

I don't know about "all the time"; for me anyway, terrible bands/artists rarely give me any enjoyment (although when they do, it's a fuckton of enjoyment; see: ICP, Spice Girls).

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:59 (thirteen years ago)

http://open.spotify.com/track/5GCgC77m6EaAqu7ZlukMu2

okay everyone has to listen this now btw

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:01 (thirteen years ago)

I REFUSE

crüt, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:02 (thirteen years ago)

6 people like this. Be the first of your friends.

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:03 (thirteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

this band has two songs in the UK top 40!! wth

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 6 May 2012 12:16 (thirteen years ago)

They know talent when they hear it over there.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 May 2012 12:32 (thirteen years ago)

nine months pass...

Train Won't Play At Boy Scouts Jamboree Unless BSA Lifts Ban On Gay Scouts, Band Says

Train has taken a very public stand against the Boy Scouts of America's longstanding ban on the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community by boycotting an upcoming performance.

In November, Scouting Magazine announced that the Grammy-winning band would be headlining the closing stadium show at the 2013 National Scout Jamboree in July along with "Call Me Maybe" sensation Carly Rae Jepsen.

But a campaign to get both performers to denounce the Boy Scouts' anti-gay policies picked up steam on March 1, when GLAAD announced it had signed on to support gay Eagle Scout Derek Nance's Change.org petition.

A few hours after GLAAD signed the petition, Train posted a statement on their website saying the band will not perform at the Jamboree if the Boy Scouts do not change its policies before the summer.

When we booked this show for the Boy Scouts of America we were not aware of any policy barring openly gay people from participation within the organization. Train strongly opposes any kind of policy that questions the equality of any American citizen. We have always seen the BSA as a great and noble organization. We look forward to participating in the Jamboree this summer, as long as they make the right decision before then.

Huffington Post

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 08:37 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/2014/04/train_priced_out_of_san_franci.php

Exciting news for us Oaklanders!

polyphonic, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 18:55 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

every once in a blue moon, I remember the existence of their minor radio hit "Meet Virginia", featuring the imperishable quatrain Well she wants to live her life / And she thinks about her life / Pulls her hair back as she screams: / "I don't really wanna live this life"

I'll be an old, old man before I can forgive that one

bernard snowy, Sunday, 8 June 2014 11:54 (eleven years ago)

said song also features an egregious & unnecessary rhyme of 'president' with 'president', which is enough to make their more recent clunkers like 'tenderloin'/'tender coin' seem positively Keatsian

bernard snowy, Sunday, 8 June 2014 12:01 (eleven years ago)

My sister and brother-in-law think Train are great. I am not convinced

curmudgeon, Sunday, 8 June 2014 13:22 (eleven years ago)

lol i like "Meet Virginia"

some dude, Sunday, 8 June 2014 16:36 (eleven years ago)

Train encompass a genre I like to call "Piano Bar rock"

Neanderthal, Sunday, 8 June 2014 17:49 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

http://thenearsightedmonkey.tumblr.com/post/133929057114/dear-students-from-the-collected-works-of-making

Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 November 2015 04:58 (nine years ago)

one year passes...

Just heard what I assume is their new single (the one that bites "Heart and Soul" or something). Satan's taking too long to collect on the "Hey Soul Sister" comeback.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 May 2017 01:59 (eight years ago)

...I missed mentioning, I heard it TWICE in two different businesses in the space of 30 minutes.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 May 2017 02:05 (eight years ago)

its like why saddam and not pat monahan?

sexualing healing (crüt), Sunday, 28 May 2017 02:22 (eight years ago)

Watching you’s the only drug I need. :-)

the ghost of markers, Sunday, 28 May 2017 02:49 (eight years ago)

five months pass...

Worst ever.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 November 2017 02:22 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

I was in a car listening to the radio last night and had the misfortune of hearing Train's 'Play that song'. Never has a song made me want to claw may ears of more. It reminded me of that 30 Rock doing 'America's Kids Got Singing' but it wasn't a joke. How the hell do they have 11 Albums, or a career for that matter.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 September 2019 09:07 (six years ago)

Partway through Alfred's piece, realised I hadn't heard Meet Virginia before. It's clearly awful and sounds to me an older cousin of One Direction's equally dreadful "what makes you beautiful". However not all is lost as I misheard one of the lines as "we sit at home and live on President" - we have no money for real food or heating but we do have some Brie and a blanket. perfect and sadly relatable romantic image.

thomasintrouble, Monday, 9 September 2019 11:08 (six years ago)

two months pass...

Their new single is called "Mai Tais".

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:02 (five years ago)

I believe that is Tagalog for "My Humps."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:08 (five years ago)

four months pass...

kill this band

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:53 (five years ago)

Just heard what I assume is their new single (the one that bites "Heart and Soul" or something). Satan's taking too long to collect on the "Hey Soul Sister" comeback.

― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:59 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

...I missed mentioning, I heard it TWICE in two different businesses in the space of 30 minutes.

― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:05 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Also missed that the song had already been out for awhile--it underperformed upon initial release, and then was re-serviced to radio & muzak in hopes becoming a Summer Hit tying into their tour.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 04:46 (five years ago)

Drummer Drew Shoals left the band in January 2019 to return to practicing law

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 04:51 (five years ago)

"drops of jupiter" is a classic! haven't heard any other good songs by them tho and some are truly heinous

dyl, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 05:27 (five years ago)

^ note my enjoyment of "jupiter" probably depended in part on the fact that i was unable to understand some of its worst lyrics (soy latte etc)

dyl, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 05:28 (five years ago)

She checks out Mozart while she does tae-bo
Reminds me that there's room to grow

makes you think

budo jeru, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 05:49 (five years ago)

Gawd i can't stand them. About five awful songs that are on the radio all the time i'd find out, one every few years or so, are by this band

Lee626, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 05:50 (five years ago)

These guys are the only thing that makes me second guess if Led Zeppelin was good.

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:30 (five years ago)

She checks out Mozart while she does tae-bo

lmao i've definitely looked up the lyrics to this song before but i didn't realize this was the lyric. yikes!

dyl, Thursday, 26 March 2020 07:22 (five years ago)

D

26. imaginary bodyguard (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 07:28 (five years ago)

one year passes...

"Hey Soul Sister" is the worst single of the decade.

― balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2010 12:34 (eleven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JeAfVoA_iE

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 14 August 2021 11:07 (four years ago)

three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi67yCACrmI

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 20 October 2024 19:49 (one year ago)

six months pass...

The way you move ain't fair you know

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 7 May 2025 22:44 (five months ago)

"meet virginia" is maybe the worst song i've ever heard, really makes me doubt the whole idea of people singing words.

brimstead, Thursday, 8 May 2025 00:34 (five months ago)

She checks out Mozart while she does tae-bo

lmao i've definitely looked up the lyrics to this song before but i didn't realize this was the lyric. yikes!

How could anyone not parse the greatest lyric of the 21st century(?)

A Single Block of Aluminum (morrisp), Thursday, 8 May 2025 00:37 (five months ago)

brimstead otm

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 8 May 2025 01:31 (five months ago)

In that very funny Pat Finnerty video I love how he says he made a bracket for worst song and they all somehow won.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 May 2025 02:45 (five months ago)


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