Minor Threat: C or D

if i heard minor threat now, i might be able to take them with a grain of salt and appreciate what everyone else seems to see in them. but i was exposed to them (yes, the complete discography) when i was 16. the combination of straight-edge lyrics and militant ("fascist" was what i thought at the time) music did not seem at all like a good thing, especially considering what the actual sXe scene was like and the fawning worship bestowed on mt by half the people i knew at the time. they have therefore earned a place somewhere between pink floyd and pavement on my must-die list. fugazi's good though.

Made punk rock heavy and, along with Black Flag, birthed hardcore. And golly damn their songs are catchy--it's not just some dumb attack. And as far as lyrics written by teenagers go, theirs were and are quite good, whether you agree with their politics or not.

Classic. But for the aforementioned reasons, still deserving of instant death.

a minor threat song ("it follows") came up on my itunes, and after the song ended, some guy outside on the street was whistling it. that was kinda weird.

i don't know that's like so weeyudd
http://www.shangri.com/images/barbarino.jpg

up your nose with a rubber hose.

i'm so confused

haha

Classic. I was just listening to Complete Discography, in fact, and was struck at what kind of precocious self-confidence and self-awareness it took to write those songs.

I tried listening to 7Seconds not too long ago. They haven't aged well at all - too simplistic and smarmy by far. You can hear what they were trying to do and how they didn't succeed at all.

I bought Complete Discography about 1997 or so, and fuck, I could barely make it through the first ten minutes. It just annoyed me and gave me a headache. Hardcore = not for me.

mike, agreed, i loved 7 Seconds in h.s., but they did not age so well. minor threat, otoh, are in the same class as bad brains, i'm thinking. just the righteous fury of their sheer musical attack is unimpeachable

classic. righteous youthful fury exemplified.

like, the beginning of "filler", before the vocals even come in, still staggers me to this day

You know, I still haven't given the Bad Brains a fair shake. I suspect I'd like Rock For Light and the ROIR cassette - I've only heard a few songs from each. I couldn't get behind the post-I Against I material, and that was my entry point.

that's definitely not the place to start, lol.

the roir cassete/self-titled is the best, imo.

I just need to add that this band is ultra-double-plus classic. "Seeing Red" is always the secret weapon track that I rep for, as per Douglas upthread.

latebloomer otm, mike

the consensus is that bad brains were pretty much the premiere hc band from the era, and i don't think that's a mistaken conclusion to draw.

immerse yrself properly in the roir/rock for light period, and report back!

I tried listening to 7Seconds not too long ago. They haven't aged well at all - too simplistic and smarmy by far. You can hear what they were trying to do and how they didn't succeed at all.

I think 'The Crew' has a lot of good songs on it but I wouldn't blame someone for not being able to get past their whole stance

Complete Discography is classic from start to finish. The first hardcore band I ever got into. The soapboxing never strikes me as smug as I feel it should; I think to myself, "Y'know, this isn't really all that smug", and then I can't help but think I must be wrong. Instead I come away thinking it's kinda charming in a toothy-grinned OH IAN sorta way. (There was a period before I rediscovered them, though!)
Though not at all sXe, the songs actually remain totally invigorating for me somehow. Delivery and riffage.

Haha, agree w the first (though not the second, obv ;-)

Yeah, have heard people say that MT are sloppy or a racket or whatever before (normally seems to be people who've been curious about them cos they're like the hardcore big dogs) and always think, well if you think that's sloppy you should hear the other early Dischord bands - among most of those MT were the *musicians*

DJ Mencap - Void were great, but some of the drumming(RIP drummer boy) was about as in time as my wanking, which starts off pretty regular and then can go all over the place depending on filth factor gear of brain, energy, (potential) interruptions and so on.

I still love most of that stuff and am in a minor threat with you over 7 seconds cos The Crew was one of the first US Hardcore records I bought - I was just too young to be right there - and in the wrong country. I thought 'Trust' @young Til I die' and Here's Your Warning cut it. I even liked some of their 'u2 on 'Roids' stuff - most self righteous punkkers puked all over it. Saw them about 4 years ago and they were back to Hardcore. Good stuff

SORRY Minor Threat though - Big Fucking Classic.

They could play too. Like Bad Brains .

Jeff Nelson's drumming should have been fast as opposed to second second's (and other HC bands of the day) drumming which would have been OK at half the speed because that's all the guitars were doing. Listen , Im not a drummer as you can tell - so sorry stix but , you know what I mean?

Fugazi = respect
Minor Threat = luv

My best friend has this tattooed on his back

http://www.punkvinyl.com/flavors/mt3.jpg

May seem ill-advised but it's actually really cool looking.

If that includes the $3.50 I'll paypal him $3.50

Fugazi = respect
Minor Threat = luv

oh i'm sorry, you must have this backwards.

x-post Ha! No, $3.50 not included sadly.

This will probably sound like heresy to many, but my problem with Fugazi was always Guy's cloying whine. Who needs another vocalist when you have Ian in the ranks?

HERESY

two bands missing from this thread in terms of stand-out hardcore:

siege and negative approach.

"but my problem with Fugazi was always Guy's cloying whine. Who needs another vocalist when you have Ian in the ranks?"

this is how i feel. i can't even listen to fugazi cuzza that guy. and ian is one of my favorite singers on earth. if fugazi had been just him on vocals i would own everything they made. the song "waiting room" is about all i can handle.

i really like guy on "glue man." but he's basically being underground perry farrell on that or something.

Guy's cloying whine.

Can't wrap my head around thdsklasdf;kldf kl;d s;ja;rt;tljk HEAD IMPLODES

Huh, always really liked Guy's singin... (Might now show in my previous post but I actually quite like Fugazi.) Still can't get my finger on what seems slightly off with this band. Maybe it's the missing naive youthful enthusiasm I love in MT, maybe it's the splintered cohesion from dividing up the singing...I just don't know. They write great songs and play their instruments quite well, but so do Minor Threat, in very different ways...oh I'll just shut up because I'm clearly not resolving anything here...

I knew a guy who had that goddamn black sheep tattooed on him. Good guy but I really loathed that tattoo.

fugazi and minor threat are such different bands from each other. it doesn't seem fair to compare them at all.

fugazi rules btw

yeahhh

Only ever heard the First Demo Tape. Like it a lot, but never thought to get any more.

It's all on 1 CD! You can't go wrong! :)

Is there much difference other than volume between the new remaster of Complete Discography and the older issue (which I have)? The old CD is very quiet, but I just turn up the volume on my stereo, problem solved!

stick to vinyl. sounds great. and loud. i never liked how the discography cd sounded.

argh, that was me, scott.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/sep/18/popandrock

that is some stupid ass weak shit

is this lol internet, lol hipsters, lol british, or what

something something Ian MacKaye Ghandi fantasy realized something something

Man, tough fuckin' crowd. I don't care what it's for; that was pretty cool!

(I'm assuming it's just a viral for Mean Magazine?)

That is so fucking ace. Sexy beast.

Motives? Kingsley a SE stalwart?

Youtube comment on "Salad Days":

GREAT RAP METAL SONG!!!



MattL883 2 weeks ago

kind of forgot how much I like Minor Threat. Ian's vocals were never better IMO

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/292439_431480253579634_1725620987_n.jpg

Has the straight edge movement moved on to condemn sugar, gluten and video games yet?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BucsxRBIIAAIkbx.jpg

Oh that aging hipster NY Times Magazine-- Spoon article last week, and Minor Threat inspired cover this week...

http://i.imgur.com/Q1Xd78w.jpg

^ hope this is real with all my heart

Not sure how I'd feel about them right now--they meant something to me 35 years ago, but I did some rationalizing with their lyrics that may or may not have been warranted, I honestly don't know--but I like this photo.

http://phildellio.tripod.com/mt.jpg

Yes. I live in the DC area & met them in 1979 or so. Been interesting to watch their efforts over the years.

Impressive (but not surprising) that they (and Fugazi) have resisted what are surely the armored cars full of cash offered by festivals.

Yeah I'm sure Riot Fest would pay out the ass for Minor Threat

Wonderful photos. Minor Threat was my gateway into punk in general and hardcore punk in particular, and for me they're still the epitome of the latter. Part of what appealed to me was how everyday they seemed. Those fortunate enough to see The Ramones in the early days will talk about how part of their appeal was that they looked like they just strolled in off the street and onto the CBGB stage, but to me as a kid years later, they were cartoon characters, or rock gods, or both. Same for the Pistols, Clash, etc. But Minor Threat at least in photos came across like the kids I knew...except these kids defined a sound and created a (dubious) lifestyle movement.

Anyway, 12XU is still my go-to for a hardcore pick-me-up, but these days I'm more likely to turn to "Cashing In" when I want a Minor Threat fix. I slot it alongside the DK's "Pull My Strings", "I Dig Rock 'n' Roll Music" and the Diamonds' "Little Darlin'" on my imaginary playlist of genre takedowns where the supposed disdain for said genre expressed in the lyrics is smothered by the evident joy of the performance. I mean,the song rocks.

cool photo. Ian hasn’t changed much!

Jeff Nelson:

http://www.noecho.net/uploads/wysiwyg/JeffNelsonSeniorThreat.png

haha does he review candy on Youtube now?

It's an interview I came across on my FB wall today.

http://www.noecho.net/interviews/jeff-nelson-minor-threat-interview

“Senior Threat” lol

https://i.imgur.com/nxCBJsv.jpg

https://www.akashicbooks.com/catalog/gef-minorthreat/

Glen E Friedman Just a Minor Threat photobook out soon . He did a talk with Ian Mckaye at MLK Library in DC recently

I can’t keep up

Everyone pines for a Fugazi reunion.

Not me.

I wish Minor Threat would come back for a tour.

Part of this is that I saw Fugazi live but not Minor Threat.

But mostly it's because I just like Minor threat more.
I certainly play them more.