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saint etienne: a band ive always wanted to get into, but for one reason or another haven't, what's a good place to start?

andrew, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Too Tough to Die, the singles comp, is probably the place to discover once and for all whether you dig 'em or not. Regular- albumswise, I quite enjoy So Tough (1992) and, less so, Good Humor (1999).

M. Matos, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

erm, that's Too Young to Die

M. Matos, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Erm, didn't we do this one? I remember my genius take on St.Etienne as the British Beastie Boys.

Omar, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

omar, what ya talking about? i thought it was me that said that?

gareth, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Heyhey, watch it Gareth: that's the one truly great idea I've had, so there must be a copyright involved here...I'll sue you and take away all your records ;)

To the archives!!!

Omar, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Saint Etienne: Search & Destroy

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

sorry omar, it was you. i've always thought it though

gareth, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

But, of course "Too tough To Die" was by The Ramones, and therefore also splendid.

This allows me to mention the Ramones today, as I must.

Dr. C, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Well Gareth i'm glad somebody else agrees, doesn't happen very often with my "anyone notice how Timbaland-productions-sound-like- 'OntheCorner'?" comparisons.

[in the background Dr.C starts looking cross-eyed, makes smoking gestures]

Omar, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Why not just nab free songs off audio galaxy like everyone else? THen if you like em enough, buy That album taht has Sylvie on it. Good...something. Good tidings?Good Humour!

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Get Foxbase Alpha, So Tough, Tiger Bay and Too Young To Die. I'd be wary about much of their later work (though "We're In The City" is essential), though some here could provide more convincing arguments for their recent stuff.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i think robin hit it right on the head... the old stuff plus "Places to Visit" where you'll find We're in the City"...

by the way robin, we miss you on alt.fan.momus!

mike j, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

If you're going to get Tiger Bay make sure you get the expanded Heavenly release, which turns a good album into a great one. I've been listening to it constantly lately.

Tim, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't think I "get" them.

duane, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I've never really been able to get into them either. Their singles are almost always top notch, making Too Young to Die the obvious first purchase, but I dislike most of the album tracks on So Tough, Tiger Bay, and Sound of Water. I'm wasn't interested in the slightest in hearing Good Humor after I heard "Sylvie".

palpable, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

What were the extra tracks on Tiger Bay, Tim? I know the ace "He's On The Phone" was on there ...

Robin Carmody, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh, what's with dissing _Good Humour_? It's a damn fine album. (Could do without the Douglas Copeland liner notes, though - I call for a moratorium on literary types spewing bla-bla in liner notes.) Granted, this is my only prolonged exposure to the Saint, so maybe I'm on the ass end of the curve.

But if you, like I did, can find _Good Humour_ with that extra disc of b-sides attached, GET IT!

David Raposa, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search out any of the Cd singles between 90 and 93, everyone a winner. Great cover versions, prog whig outs, Aphex Twin remixes, Chris Morris and his Spongbake and a unity to them which makes them real EP's rather than the title track and 3 other throw offs.

Oh and He's on the phone is the work of God.

Billy Dods, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Robin, the extra tracks are "He's On The Phone", "I Buy American Records", "Grovely Road", "Hate Your Drug", "Marble Lions", "Western Wind" and "Tankerville". They're dispersed throughout the album, and strangely it actually flows better. Sadly however, "I Was Born On Christmas Day" isn't on this version.

Tim, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

seven years pass...

Method Of Modern Love - sadly not a Hall & Oates cover more a 'hey Call The Shots was nice maybe we can finally get that top 10 hit?'

also COLA BOY REMIX

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link

This is GREAT.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that the thing Richard X was supposed to be producing for them or is that still in the pipeline?

Telephone thing, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link

this one is X-produced yeh

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link

wow that's really good

Minister for Compression Issues (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Yep, thirded or fourthed or whatever. Fucking awesome!

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

: D

the stickup man from the gripping "wire" television show (omar little), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I want to believe...but it sounds a bit bland to me.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

must be playing a different track for me cause zzzzzz

expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 20 December 2008 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link

sarah cracknell brushed past me at a cinema the other day.

Fear Of Usic (special guest stars mark bronson), Saturday, 20 December 2008 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Foxbase Beta

Journey through the past, part 5.

Rumours have been flying left right and centre, but we can finally confirm that disco dynamo Richard X has taken Foxbase Alpha and re-arranged it into a brand new beast called FOXBASE BETA. Using the original masters, adding cellos, electrix, choirs, and the spirit of Brian Cant he has created something really special - spruced-up yet reverential, it is essentially a 2009 up-date of Foxbase Alpha, given a shot of vodka and a loving caress. We're chuffed. It feels unnervingly like jumping into a Tardis.

FOXBASE BETA will be issued, via the fan club, as a limited, numbered 2CD set of 3,000 copies, which will also include FOXBASE EXTRA, three unreleased recordings from the original album sessions: a just discovered coda to Girl VII (we'd forgotten it existed), a summery instrumental called Richard III, and the first, very different, take of Kiss And Make Up, which was the very first Saint Etienne recording. We cut it one afternoon in January 1990, and then Only Love Can Break Your Heart in the evening! It was all so simple then. These tracks won't be available anywhere else.

There will also be a 'directors' commentary' on the bonus disc. Informative, yes. Pithy, quite possibly.

An un-numbered, single disc edition will be available at gigs and through Rough Trade. It will also be available for digital download (with the commentary but without the bonus tracks).

For club promo, a 4-track 12" is currently at the pressing plant, including extended Foxbase Beta version of Only Love Can Break Your Heart (plus instrumental mix), the FBB version of Girl VII (grrrreat), and Gothenburg's Balearic princes Air France's mix of Spring. We'll have 200 copies of this available through the fan club. As soon as we have them we'll let you know.

Foxbase Beta will be available to pre-order on Monday 21st of September. More details next week.

England in the World Cup finals, 3 Of A Kind's Babycakes playing on my hi-fi, Foxbase Beta finally put to bed. Late summer, early autumn, and all is good.

love

Bob xx

history mayne, Friday, 11 September 2009 10:12 (fifteen years ago) link

what is that sound? some kind of metal, spoon-like implement against wood?

history mayne, Friday, 11 September 2009 10:13 (fifteen years ago) link

It was all so simple then. These tracks won't be available anywhere else.

Ah, but it's not that simple now, Bob.

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Friday, 11 September 2009 10:24 (fifteen years ago) link

looking forward to this, i was having a bit of a richard x / girls on top retrospective while i was working the other day.
kiss & make up + only love in one day, thats a pretty productive day imo.

ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link

http://assets.umusic.co.uk/saintetienne/FBBCoverMedium.jpg

DavidM, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link

ok i think i am in love with that girl.

ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Friday, 11 September 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Samples of the FBB versions of "Girl VIII" and Only Love..." are up on their myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/saintetienne

one boob is free with one (daavid), Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I think X did a good job on Girl VIII but not on "Only Love...". That bassline is a bit tedious IMO.

one boob is free with one (daavid), Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Was just listening to "Method of Modern Love" and remembered the little New Order bit:
"There's no sense or reason why we're shot with a bolt of blue..."

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

who wrote the sleeve notes for the latest batch of deluxe versions?

djh, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

also coming soon "songs for the dog and duck" ...

djh, Saturday, 19 September 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

free 3 track live ep for signing up for the fan club right now. great 'folk' version of Like A Motorway.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 19 September 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

richard x is working with sound of arrows too.

keythkeythkeyth, Sunday, 20 September 2009 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

so foxbase beta is going on sale tomorrow, but in the e-mail i received it doesn't say what time it's going on sale, just "tomorrow morning"...

omar little, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyone else going to the Shepherd's Bush Empire show? Annie is supporting, just like she did the last time I saw StEt live in London.

I saw your posse, but now it's me who's bossy (DavidM), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

It's up now - surprisingly, the site is not dying under the load unlike the last few times they've tried this...

carson dial, Wednesday, 23 September 2009 08:10 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

omg the new mix of Only Love Will Break Your Heart that just came out on 12" is KILLING ME - total 105 bpm balearic hotness!

mikebee (BATTAGS), Monday, 12 October 2009 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link

choice

Ismael Klata, Monday, 12 October 2009 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Gonna listen this weekend, have a fondness for the casino classics remix album from the early nineties, British electronic bigwigs from the time, all present...underworld, chemical bros, the aloof, Andrew Weatherall, aphex twin.

St ettiene - Angel (broadcast mix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gd3Kzu3L0Q

Swanswans, Saturday, 11 September 2021 07:52 (three years ago) link

St Etienne - Who do you think you are : Aphex Twin mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwLbqbc3ZEc

Swanswans, Saturday, 11 September 2021 07:56 (three years ago) link

The film is basically ‘46 minutes of shirtless youths vibing’ so the record cover is absolutely not out of step with the aesthetic of the overall project.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 11 September 2021 08:50 (three years ago) link

That sounds more dismissive than intended but if you know Alasdair McLellan’s photography, you’ll know what to expect from the film.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 11 September 2021 08:57 (three years ago) link

I was initially disappointed by the two songs that came out early, but hearing this all together in album form has completely changed my mind. This is a great album. Kind of glad there aren't many lyrics. Though I love Sarah's voice, I feel the lyrical content has been one of the things I haven't enjoyed on the recent albums. I have liked the recent stuff but they're not albums I want to put on when I get in the St Etienne mood. This one seems like it will fit my mood quite well this fall/winter.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 11 September 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link

sounds like a bonus disc for a Saint Etienne album without the actual album

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 September 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link

Yeah that's how I found it on first listen also. I love lots of their drifty more ambient stuff but this seems too slight to me so far.

nashwan, Saturday, 11 September 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link

Same

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 11 September 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link

I don't know: I found the lyrics on W&M pretty sharp.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 September 2021 20:29 (three years ago) link

Loving this wholeheartedly on the third playthrough. So Tough was always my favorite and this evokes it in all the right ways.

Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Sunday, 12 September 2021 02:46 (three years ago) link

I’m happy to hear the So Tough box set is coming. So Tough and You Need A Mess of Help are the albums I want to hear most often. I wonder if anything will be included on the box set that isn’t on the 2cd reissue.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 12 September 2021 03:48 (three years ago) link

Penlop is nice, but it was nicer when Manual remixed Dressed in Black for Blue Foundation in 2014

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 12 September 2021 06:34 (three years ago) link

i probably would have really liked this album if they'd written songs over the top of these tracks

as is there's some nice moments but this approach for a full album doesn't really capture my interest enough

ufo, Sunday, 12 September 2021 07:10 (three years ago) link

Halfway through and totally loving this. Might already be by favorite of theirs since Tiger Bay as they went back to that vague floating vibe they lost somewhere along the way.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link

St Et records *often* don't hit me right away, feeling at first like collections of unassuming chord progressions cycling endlessly. The song'y elements traditionally assert themselves later, but in the relative absence of actual songs (ufo otm) the, er, raw sonic textures will need to do an awful lot of work over subsequent listens.

Just as I write that 'Blue Kite' comes back on shuffle and, yeah, the textures *can* be very appealing, so there's hope.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 00:34 (three years ago) link

yeh I'm consciously remaining open to this one finding its place with time/repeated listens

really intrigued by this move though - its a very unassuming LP to release as a Proper Album - not song-y but also not quite as immersive as stuff like Railway Jam or Johnny in the Echo Cafe

i do like the autumnal vibe tho

re the "weird internet music" referenced in that observer article - does that mean vapourwave kind of stuff? i could see Nobody Here being an influence on this

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 04:56 (three years ago) link

I'd definitely play a < Saint Etienne's guide to "weird internet music" >.

I'm old so I'm hearing an "album's worth of 4th track on the CD single" thing to this (but that's a good thing).

Is it the first full St Et thing that Pete is crediting with producing?

djh, Friday, 17 September 2021 19:22 (three years ago) link

*credited*

(Wine may have happened).

djh, Friday, 17 September 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link

Weird. There's a Natalie Imbruglia interview in the Guardian (the interview does note that it's the Australia Guardian) that's very much "The 90s are trending" and felt certain it was going to slightly hang on this. No mention of it, obvs.

djh, Friday, 17 September 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link

xp to myself - duh i went back and read that interview and they do specifically mention vaporwave as an antecedent of the “warped, woozy” Youtube music that influenced this one

have steadfastly resisted any buy-in to 90s nostalgia but am beguiled by their “early 90s was more interesting than collective memory currently allows” thesis

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 17 September 2021 21:16 (three years ago) link

I love the record, the visuals and the overall pitch but tbh Im not hearing anything 90s related in the music (apart from that Imbruglia sample)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 18 September 2021 08:53 (three years ago) link

Well, that's because the collective memory of the 90s doesn't allow that.

(Tbh, I don't think I'd have never noticed the Lightning Seeds sample).

djh, Saturday, 18 September 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link

If I hadn't read the interview I'd have no idea it had anything to do with the 90s at all, although I'll admit it's growing on me. I've already listened to it far more than Home Counties. Sounds really great on a nice stereo.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 18 September 2021 22:57 (three years ago) link

Oh, it's at number 14, not bad

Mark G, Sunday, 19 September 2021 11:41 (three years ago) link

Actually, I reckon you could sneak some of this onto one of the recent DNTEL albums and I wouldn't really notice.

djh, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link

I just misread it as "I've Been Trying To Kill You" and tbh it works?

raven, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 11:49 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Xmas single:

https://saintetienne.ochre.store/

djh, Monday, 29 November 2021 13:12 (two years ago) link

the main track on the Christmas single is pretty cool!

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 29 November 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link

Ah yeah they played that when I saw them live the other day. They were great btw

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 29 November 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link

Super grateful that it sounds nothing at all like Christmas music.
Now I just need to work out how to get the CD...

raven, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:38 (two years ago) link

just plunk down your $23 on their web site they'll ship it right to your door

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:47 (two years ago) link

just plunk down your $23 on their web site they'll ship it right to your door

― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 1:47 PM (three hours ago)

a) This presupposes that their website will actually send me an email when I request a forgotten password (hasn't happened), and
b) This also presupposes that it won't be at least an additional $23 to ship it to Australia. Which I can't confirm until I can login apparently.

Actually, maybe ochre.stores are individual to the subdomain? I'm kind of hoping it turns up on Bandcamp anyway, or general distro.

raven, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 06:14 (two years ago) link

OK, I have logged in. It is a total of USD 20.28 to Australia, or a little under 30 AUD. Is that reasonable for a 4 track CD, one track of which is an edit?
Well, obviously not lol, but what is reasonable these days?

raven, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 06:20 (two years ago) link

Appreciate that they have a .wav/.flac option (if you go to the page for just that item, https://saintetienne.ochre.store/format/867144-her-winter-coat), just for that reason. Shipping costs doubling (or more) the purchase price, I settle for non-tangible downloads. Oddly, the .wav price under the Download section - $2 - is for the single track, not the 4 song EP. If you scroll down to the Digital Track List section, they're individually priced at $2. Can get all three (or four, if you want the edit) for $6 (or $8).

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link

yeah I almost just ordered the FLAC for US$2, but fuck it, I've got like 50 Saint Etienne CDs already why not get #51

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link

Liking this EP. I have to say I really dig this ambientish phase (probably imposed by COVID) they’re in. I had lost touch with them after Finistere or so.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 17:44 (two years ago) link

while we are having our usual fun dunking on their pricey fan club releases, should probably note that all proceeds from the christmas single DO go to charity

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link

Reasonable point, well made.

That said, music buying has changed so much. I have loads of Saint Etienne CD singles, originally priced between 99p and £3.99 - I think but am not entirely sure that "Avenue" was one of the former - and I'm fairly certain I subsequently bought the accompanying albums.

djh, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link

The sample source for Her Winter Coat made me chuckle.

djh, Saturday, 11 December 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

Fairfax High is a must if you’re into Good Humor

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 10 November 2022 21:15 (one year ago) link

Ta. I must admit I *think* I own most (if not all) of "Fairfax High" without owning the actual release.

djh, Thursday, 10 November 2022 21:20 (one year ago) link

It's a superb album. Equal to if not better than Good Humor. It has a bit of the vibe of their earlier albums. Hit the Brakes is a stand out track that could have been a single.

everything, Thursday, 10 November 2022 22:11 (one year ago) link

I've got the original as the bonus CD disc to Good Humor, and most (maybe all?) the tracks are on the Good Humor reissue which I've also got, but I would have serious trouble resisting buying this if I saw it for sale in a record store.

everything, Thursday, 10 November 2022 22:14 (one year ago) link

It's easy to find on CD, either the original US release of Good Humor with bonus disc or the deluxe CD reissue from a few years back... don't think it's ever been on vinyl before though!

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 11 November 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link

presales on the vinyl editions of the Character of Saint Etienne, Good Humor, and Fairfax High are live...

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Thursday, 17 November 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

This year's Xmas collection is now available to order. 'Built On Sand' on vinyl + a 2-track 10" (Music For Hermione)

Jeff W, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 17:11 (eleven months ago) link

Gah! Music for Hermione sold out ...

djh, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 18:23 (eleven months ago) link

eleven months pass...

That's always good news.

kitchen person, Saturday, 2 November 2024 19:21 (three days ago) link


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