― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 23 June 2003 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 23 June 2003 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 23 June 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)
good example - all that disco not disco stuff, which is now hailed as wonderful crossover, rock was more open to black music back then, etc... but at the time was probably laughed at as bandwagon jumping.
That's the most obvious one (to me) that comes to mind, but I'm sure there are loads of great examples. No boubt the majority of it is bad, but its will always produce a few gems
― Robin Goad (rgoad), Monday, 23 June 2003 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 23 June 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 23 June 2003 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Monday, 23 June 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)
I think it works as a method of getting people's (read: the music industry's) attention, but if you haven't got any substance of your own to back it up with, it's fatal.
Thing is, if you didn't have any substance to start with, you wouldn't have got attention had you not jumped on the bandwaggon, so perhaps it was a good thing in terms of garnering you that one hit you wouldn't have had otherwise.
If you do have something of your own to contribute, it's probably better not getting on the bandwaggon, as it's incredibly hard to get off the bandwaggon in time to avoid getting carted off for firewood.
― kate (kate), Monday, 23 June 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 23 June 2003 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― kate (kate), Monday, 23 June 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)
er...
um..
improv jazz? or have they done that already?
oops, shh, best not mention this too loud, they might be listening
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Monday, 23 June 2003 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― earlnash, Monday, 23 June 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Well, there was that skronky Kevin Shields track.
I think "bandwagon jumping" has to be seen in a broader context. It's just one phase in the evolution of any idea, sound, movement, meme, blah blah blah. I mostly think it's interesting to see which wagons are getting jumped at any given time. Especially when you see collisions coming between different wagons. Bandwagon watching as Hegelian spectator sport.
― JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 23 June 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― kate (kate), Monday, 23 June 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― autovac (autovac), Monday, 23 June 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 23 June 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 23 June 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 23 June 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
It's such a thin line, innit?
This all kind of reminds me of the cycles you can see in urban redevelopment. Property becomes valuable. Someone who can afford it chases someone who can't afford it off the property (at a --cough-- fair market price, of course). Eventually, by virtue of either overpopulation or technological innovations or bureaucratic changes or any number of other reasons, the property becomes less valuable. The houses are subdivided and rented, the warehouses either used for dirt-cheap storage or abandoned altogether. "Urban blight" sets in (look out, it's contagious!). In with the crackheads and the squatters and the hobos. Then come the bohemians (crackheads and squatters must hate seeing the bohemians -- "oh christ, there goes the neighborhood"). The buildings are rented. And fixed up. And bought. And sold. And 10 years later, the young single lawyers and just-married grad students are all over the place. And the property becomes valuable again. Until...
It doesn't work nearly that cleanly with music, but you can see the same forces at play.
― JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 23 June 2003 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 23 June 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 June 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)