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Warning: Do not waste your money, time or brain electricity on these two books:

Hot Stuff : A Brief History of Disco by John-Manuel Andriote

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Rock 'N' Roll: The Famous Lyrics by Scott Buchanan
Why?
Hot Stuff: Even though it's just barely 200 pages long, the dearth of any actual information in it is shocking. Although it starts out promisingly, after chapter 1, it devolves into 1000 ways to restate the following sentence: "Going to clubs was fun, even though some people thought the music was dumb...but, hey...wasn't the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack really, like...cool and shit?"
(If anyone out in ILMland would like to suggest a worthwhile book on disco, please do so.)
The Famous Lyrics: 300 pages of random, incomplete snippets of random songs, usually without any consideration of meter or rhythm. And whats worse, they picked alot of really laaaame lyric-fragments.

Anyhow...this thread is here so that ILM'ers can warn other ILM'ers of what to avoid at the bookstore.
You may begin your attack run now.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Before you go too far, I should tell you that Horace Man isn't my real name. Scott Buchanan is.
It put my heart and soul into that book. It cost me my marriage and my kids won't talk to me still. My dog died while I was working on it, and, too consumed by my mission to give him a proper burial, I just stuck ol' Sailor in the deepfreeze until I could return to less sublime tasks.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahahahahaha!
Dude, you wasted your time!
No run...RUN back to your wife, make up with your kids, and get thee to the ASPCA to get Sailor II: Electric Boogaloo!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That Ambient book by Mark Prendergrast (sp?) was pretty shitty. When he was talking about all the classical composers I didn't know about I thought it was cool, but when he got into the rock stuff the problems were more evident. He acts all objective and journalistic but then trashes all the Krautrock bands except for Can. He calls Faust unlistenable! Then he jizzes all over a bunch of shitty Windham Hill music and Enya and Pink Floyd. Oh, and it's really really boring.

NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I second the opinion about Mark Prendergast's dull paid-by-the-word The Ambient Century. His definition of ambient is so loose, anything could be considered ambient, provided you could play it at a sufficiently low volume thus rendering Country Joe and the Fish, for example, into aural wallpaper.

The book is basically an immense series of band bios, meagre discussions of key works and a sentence or two in order to wedge the square peg of, again for the sake of example, Country Joe and the Fish into the round hole of ambient.

Adding annoyance to ennui, Prendergast coins the most horrendous hybrid names for specious subgenres. This book is to be avoided utterly. DUD!


Cheers!

paul c, Monday, 23 June 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Jizzes as in gets happy and wants to show his love or
Jizzes as a grotesque act of contempt?

(subthreade: I love Enya, but can't stand Pink Floyd. Whereas the rest of the universe hates Enya and loves Pink Floyd...Why is that? I have no idea.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i love pink floyd and i loved the feature they did on enya and her castle on the cbs sunday morning show yesterday.

scott seward, Monday, 23 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Gets happy. Sorry if "jizzes" was overly vague.

NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I will now use this opportunity to post my Amazon review of "The Ambient Century," which the Amazon people took down. They did not take down the Rodney Breen review I mention.

Rodney Breen, who wrote one of the glowing, five-star reviews you see here, designed the Ambient Century website and photographed the
author for the "Note On The Author" section of the book. I'm not much of a journalist, but even *I* know that it's not very honorable to write "reviews" of items that you personally profit from without at least admitting that's what you're doing. Shame on Rodney. And, unfortunately, shame on Prendergast. He may be a fine person-- I've not met him-- but The Ambient Century is a terrible book. The
writing is lifeless and often unclear, so much so that it doesn't even sound as if English is Prendergast's first language. Of Jimi Hendrix, we learn that "The Ambience of his tone was everything, nowhere more sucessful than on the near-seven-minute aural extravanganza 'Third Stone From The Sun.'" What, exactly, is "the
Ambience of his tone"? And surely "aural extravanganza" says nothing about the music, other than that Prendergast likes it. Then, four pages later: "Reed was awed by Cale's unpredictable spirit and his so-called playing of 'unauthorized music' on amplified viola." Prendergast never explains what he means by "unauthorized music," or even who he's quoting. Nearly every page contains at least one example of this sort of writing.

Prendergast also makes tons of sweeping claims without defending them. Sonic Youth, he says, "were the only group to elicit real Ambient beauty from the chaos of grunge rock." He never explains why he categorizes Sonic Youth as "grunge rock," nor does he ever explain what really separates them from other "grunge rock" groups.

Then there's the big problem: what is this book actually about? Practially no reasonable person would ever classify many of the artists here (including Santana, Simon and Garfunkel, Mahler, etc.) as "ambient," and Prendergast never clearly explains why expands the meaning of the term, or what that expansion is supposed to include. (How, for example, does Sonic Youth have anything to do with "Ambient beauty"?) There's no thematic link between the artists he covers. As an encyclopedia of "Ambient" music, the book excludes way too much important stuff to be worthwhile; as an encyclopedia of twentieth century music it excludes even more. In addition, Prendergast's fact checking leaves a lot to be desired-- check out the other reviews here or Douglas Wolk's excellent review
(http://12.11.184.13/boston/music/other_stories/documents/0063090
9.htm) for examples. There's more interesting and more purposeful music writing than Prendergast's available for free on the web; don't waste your money on this one. I wouldn't even advise checking it out of the library, as I made the mistake of doing.

charlie va (charlie va), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe this should be a thread about The Ambient Century...I bought this used & it really is terrible. In addition to the above, it has a lot of factual errors...one I noticed, which I haven't seen mentioned, is when he begins the chapter on Keith Jarrett with "One day in Koln (blah blah blah...) a young black pianist sat down and improvised..." If you're going to mention a guy's race, which didn't seem important in this context, then at least get it right!

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, we've established that The Ambient Century is a blight on human conciousness...are there any other books deserving of a bright orange stream of stinky lizard piss?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rolling Stone Album Guide is thoroughly worthless. You can still find it in bookstores, and it was published in 1992. Total crap.

ham on rye (ham on rye), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, its not as awful as the Magazine is now...but I really wish they would either
a) come out with a well-written update or
b) stop claiming that an updated version is imminent.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 23 June 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The way I see it, as long as the internet has something that is constantly updated like allmusic.com, actually going out and purchasing an album guide seems to be a waste of time.

Aside from being out of date, I never liked the essay format employed by that book. It barely provides a whit of information about albums, instead trotting out the usual cliches in describing an artist's career. Blah.

ham on rye (ham on rye), Monday, 23 June 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i find the 1982 RS guide quite useful, as a kind of snapshot of the reviewer cliches of 20 yrs ago

haha i reviewed MP's ambient century for wire: some of it is comic genius and don't you fergit it

• "By the last decade of the 20th century it seemed that everything possible had been achieved. Then along came Enya with a new sound."
• "Nobody could fault Tricky's rage. Even with record company support he was still angry."

I wd one day like to read Eno's aesthetic justification for the intro he wrote for it.

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

There's been a run of rawk biographies, especially "Shakey" (Neil Young) and "Long Strange Trip" (Dead), where the author is on the artists' payroll, and disengages disingenuously accordingly.

But Gene Simmons' new drag-those-knuckles primer, "Sex Money Kiss," owns this thread.

Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.tednugent.com/rock_star.shtml

I stand corrected.

Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ruth P@del's "I'm a Man: Sex, Gods and Rock'n'Roll" is up there with "Ambient Century". She seems never to have heard any rock music, ever. The book's premise is that rock can be explained as late offshoot of Dionysus-worship and ancient Greek notions of martial masculinity. Seriously: no complex dialectical or metaphorical footwork here, just straight dumb cause-effect. But the real fun is in her "research", which seems to have involved chatting to some people who listened to some rock music once, and not much more. Hence 2-3 major blunders per page: a few detailed here. Has anyone else read this?

Brian Dillon (Brian Dillon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"In the Spirit: Conversations With the Spirit of Jerry Garcia" is based on 'interviews' between Wendy Weir (Bob Weir's sister) and Jerry Garcia's 'oversoul' (the "advanced spiritual being or expression of All That Is who exists in the higher spiritual dimensions, aspects of whom have been or are incarnate on Earth or other dimensions.")

Now I've not read it, but surely that's got to be bollocks? Surely even the most drug-addled, crystal-wielding Deadhead isn't going to buy that.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i find the 1982 RS guide quite useful, as a kind of snapshot of the reviewer cliches of 20 yrs ago
That old old old old edition before the 82 (I think it's the 1979 or so) edition is hilarious and pseudo-informative. Its like every third discography is about some disco or prog band that was so washed-up and uber-obscure that I doubt even AMG has an entry on them.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i think tht's the one i mean custos: 1980, ed.marsh & swenson

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody could fault Tricky's rage.

BAHahahaha. This is great.

Fortunately, Tricky got a bit part in "The Fifth Element", and has been pretty docile ever since.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. I'll have to go back to the library and look again. (That library has two different very old RS guides. One with a blue cover and one with a rows of black 45s on the cover. One is from the early 80s, the other is from the late 70s. The late 70s one is the really interesting one.)
(xpost)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Fortunately, Tricky got a bit part in "The Fifth Element", and has been pretty docile ever since.
He was overwhelmed by LeeLoo's Love Ray...and just likes sitting around contemplating his bliss (those "Tricky" albums he "released" after The Fifth Element are all outtakes from the Maxinquaye sessions!)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope no-one's going to reveal that their real name is Ben Cruikshank...?

No?

Good.

"Fast And Bulbous - The Captain Beefheart Story by Ben Cruikshank is quite the most appalling piece of drivel I have ever read in my life.

The guy clearly can't spell, write in proper sentences or, I suspect, even *think* in any meaningful sense.

The concept of research is obviously alien to him and his own half-baked theories and opinions about some of the music and lyrics are often so laughable that it makes you wonder if he has any actual understanding or appreciation of his subject matter whatsoever.

For a more detailed (and funnier) assasination of this literary masterpiece go here: http://www.beefheart.com/zigzag/books/bulbous.htm

I understand Mr Cruikshank has also written books of similar quality about Bob Dylan.

Also (and I don't know what it is about Captain Beefheart that leads people to write such crap about him or Agenda Ltd to publish it) there's another book called "Captain Beefheart: Tin Teardrop" by Ken Brooks which isn't much better.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the Padel book for Christmas! I should read it then.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

yes ben th0mpson was raving abt it to me when i did the prenderg4st review (both on bloomsbury i think)

(for raving read "crying tears of laughter down the phone as he read me bits of it")

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

there's another book called "Captain Beefheart: Tin Teardrop" by Ken Brooks which isn't much better.

Ken Brooks is officially the worst writer in the history of the English language

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ken Brooks is officially the worst writer in the history of the English language"

You haven't read anything by Ben Cruikshank, I take it?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"There's been a run of rawk biographies, especially "Shakey" (Neil Young) and "Long Strange Trip" (Dead), where the author is on the artists' payroll,"

Don't agree with this first one at all. The author sued Young to get this published and short of having him killed, literally tried to destroy the guy! He certainly didn't kiss Young's ass either--if anything he goes after him to his face. Weird weeird book but the guys got balls

popeye, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

oops. of course meant "and Young, short of having him killed blahblahblah"

popeye, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

That old old old old edition before the 82 (I think it's the 1979 or so) edition is hilarious and pseudo-informative. Its like every third discography is about some disco or prog band that was so washed-up and uber-obscure that I doubt even AMG has an entry on them.

I have the '79! It's fantastic! I think after I read it I went out and tracked down all the (out-of-print) records they gave one star to!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. I'll have to go back to the library and look again. (That library has two different very old RS guides. One with a blue cover and one with a rows of black 45s on the cover. One is from the early 80s, the other is from the late 70s. The late 70s one is the really interesting one.)

The edition I have has a red cover.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

guess what, the one i'm talking abt came out in the uk in 1980, but is the 1979!!

it has a red cover

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)


Well, its not as awful as the Magazine is now...but I really wish they would either
a) come out with a well-written update or
b) stop claiming that an updated version is imminent.

i think the new one is coming out this year. i think.And if all goes well, my T.A.T.U. entry will stand for the ages.

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

there was a recent Curtis Mayfield biog written recently that was utterly and shockingly appalling, with the writer obviously more obsessed with the value of his Mayfield rarities and the matrix numbers of such early releases than any kind of musical, sociological or personal insights. very very disappointing...

x

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

there was a recent Curtis Mayfield biog written recently

suffice to say, when i start writing books on music, they too will OWN this thread...

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

>He certainly didn't kiss Young's ass either

I respectfully non-concur. Young gets a fuckin' copyright credit for ancillary rights, and you can count the relevant references to Pegi on your nose (despite her official status as his Linda McCartney, all the way to singing backup in Crazy Horse with Neil's sister), and the author also dances over key data like the fact that Young rolled the kid dice THREE TIMES despite overwhelming evidence that his sperm was suspect (i.e. challenged children with two different mothers) among other critical moments post-1979 (i.e., post-Pegi) when "Shakey" shifts from intrepid biograph to pandering liner notes.

Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, the red cover one had a whole different mindset with some editorial control from the old guard .. it had a whole section on the nonsuch explorer series i think (though it seemed to give everything from that series at least four stars for effort) -- i borrowed that one periodically

the blue one, which i owned then lent to some jerk, is a bit patchy, but both would have some really odd entries (given just how many records were released and thus what they left out, kept in etc..) -- having lived more through the times covered i ended up thinking the blue one went _too_ _far_ in trying to be concise, and so things were either dammned too summarily or accidentally hyped, although the blue edition still seemed to err on the side of caution, with most rock music falling into the suspect/"bad" "genre [x]" / industry standard type classification, which was at least honest, if not optimistic (Magazine seemd very harshly dismissed for instance, a 4 line paragraph and each album three stars, but "Philadelphia" was identified as their best song which cannily seems to be the consensus now)

however in 1985 John Swenson introduced the jazz guide (split from the back of the red book where it'd been) as a seperate thin volume (bright yellow !) that i found incredibly useful (in the wonder years)

all jazz records were imported into new zealand so i was at the mercy of big chain and small niche importers

jazz can be a very _sleazy_ demographic -- some people use it as an ambient (subliminal !) mood altering device, not just in restaurants and cafes but in their own lounges, and some proprietors of music stores that bothered importing jazz just _seemed_ sleazy -- they'd have imported something and just because i did the jazz show on the local student radio they'd greet me at the door of their store and say "oh, you'll be interested in this .. 'interesting piano' stuff", and 90% of the time i wasn't

this whole thing of whether music is jazzy, and if so, is it in an interesting way, or will it be interesting in five listens, will it be boring in eight listens, .. it's a real pain for people who want to buy interesting stuff but may have to pre-order it or rely on say shopkeeper-with-vested-interest and his "experience" -- well the yellow book allowed me to often quickly dismiss something that looked, oh "quirky" say and sounded innaccesible enough in the shop to maybe warrant further investigation

thinking back, that shops whole mindset seemed to be dressing to appear sexy/wealthy, music to provide non-hostile rich-wine type background whilst leaving a guest unsatisfied (and maybe groping for something else) -- maybe a problem peculiar to new zealand, but if only two stores in town bothered with jazz, you'd have to run the gauntlet of the whole jazz scene, with all the different sorts of fans and their various motives

the yellow edition informed me all about the (a.a.c.m.)chicago scene (and the b.a.b. "bag") so i found out about ecm, but also esp, india navigation, sackville, delmark, black saint etc. etc., although "european" stopped just before fmp, so there were no british independents --
ok, no derek bailey, no music from berlin

but industry chain store dumping practises meant that all those black saint lps were cut-outs in nz, stuff like julius hemphill and oliver lake, roscoe mitchell and braxton, and that great band air, and we also had all the esp stuff then being pressed in italy on the same label as rough trade bands and pere ubu, the cheap we-can't-sell-these-in-california stuff turned out to be the best -- whenever there was a stock dumping sale or a collector's estate came in, that yellow book proved incredibly useful (for instance, not just dave holland and chick corea listed, but barry altschul's stint as leader too)

yeah, the rolling stone "yellow" jazz guide in '85/'86 gave me a head start and bought me in on all the stuff that the alternative crowd moved onto and found fashionable in about 1997 -- and i can't emphasise how much "years lived with record such'n'such" makes a difference to the appreciation of some of these jazz records, records that are long term friends that still yield new musical pleasures, even if it's only "played 8 times in 15 years" -- it's so easy to be suspicious of new received wisdom on canonical "alternative" jazz (most obvious example : Sun Ra, cf: less obvious and so more often avoided stuff like the non-super-star stuff from chicago, guys that only recorded one album, unlike Abrams or Mitchell)

maybe "jazz" is a genre where "wisdom" from long term enthusiasts makes "canonical" or "consensus" albums more honest, more the editors own individual opinions, less fashion/industry -- whatever, i'm very grateful to Swenson and co. for what proved to be the only stand-alone jazz edition, the "yellow book", one of my longest serving and most reliable of friends

george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought The Ambient Century was complete ass, too -- I couldn't get past the clumsiness of Prendergast's style, so I didn't even notice how empty and worthless his commentary was.

The Talking Heads bio This Must Be the Place is pretty crappy, too -- just really lame early-80s rockist-think. The writer actually attacks disco with the fervor of a late-70s rock DJ or something. There were actually some interesting stories told, but any enjoyment therein was marred by the reprehensible views of the author.

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

>He certainly didn't kiss Young's ass either
I respectfully non-concur. Young gets a fuckin' copyright credit for ancillary rights, and you can count the relevant references to Pegi on your nose (despite her official status as his Linda McCartney, all the way to singing backup in Crazy Horse with Neil's sister), and the author also dances over key data like the fact that Young rolled the kid dice THREE TIMES despite overwhelming evidence that his sperm was suspect (i.e. challenged children with two different mothers) among other critical moments post-1979 (i.e., post-Pegi) when "Shakey" shifts from intrepid biograph to pandering liner notes.
>

hmmm...well, the fact that Young screwed the guy out of ancillary rights doesn't mean he bent over, in my opinion. Young is notoriously a vicious businessman and he tried to have the guy squashed. And McDonough made a deal (with the devil, admittedly) that Young & family would have control over anything said about them. I think the wide berth cut around Pegi 'McCartney' speaks for itself. Taking into account those failings he gives him shit about everything else, ESP his post 79 output. Jesus, he trashes near everything! And just publishing Briggs excoriating comments on pg. 658 (my English paperback) --which I hear was the root of the problem--was by itself impressive to me. As far as Young's sperm count uh, YOU'D delve into that? That would earn my 18 bucks.

popeye, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, Clarke, I was going to mention that Talking Heads book too, not really for the views expressed or the stories told, but just because the writing style was really bizarre - a lot of insane hyperbole and just weird statements. I held back from mentioning it because I don't have any specific examples with me (I'm at work), but yeah. I wouldn't call it worthless, but it certainly wasn't good.

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah Nick, I noticed that, too. Did you notice the awkwardness? Of his really short sentences? Really short. Indeed.

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

how this thread has gotten this far without mentioning that horrible Joe S. Harrington book is beyond me. or is Daddino just busy right now?

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

when i saw this thread title, Rachel Felder's "Manic Pop Thrill" sprang immediately to mind. immediately.

summerslastsound, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha! I was JUST thinking of that earlier, but I forget her name so I held off saying anything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

there's a far superior book to the ambient century - david toop's ocean of sound which is phenomenal.

i love finding old rolling stone record guides. they are filled with artists who have just "slipped through the cracks" of history. they've never been reissued and never will, and these old RS guides are pretty much the only documentation of them left.

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, i'll also add that "new york is now!" book about the current ny jazz scene left me unimpressed. forgive me if the author posts here, but it was really hard to finish.

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

john strausbaugh to thread (altho a friend of mine was interviewed for that book)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0002000563.15.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

What the hell does "rolled the kid dice three times" mean?

Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

uh, you should ask your parents

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Any book on how to write a successful pop song

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Edelweiss to thread!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

these old RS guides are pretty much the only documentation of them left.

Ha! Sad, when your whole recording career can be summed up in these words, "But I was in an old Rolling Stone guide."

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

That Eighties-era book from Writer's Digest*, "Making Money Making Music." (I think that's the name.) The only way the author could picture anyone making a living out of rock music was if they played in a Top Forty cover band, a thing that the world would be gratefully liberated from within two or three years after the book was published.


*A magazine I'm boycotting until they stop accepting ads from vanity publishers, incidently.


Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Any book on how to write a successful pop song

i hope that doesn't include "the manual"

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the world's been liberated from top 40 cover bands?

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

they were replaced by p2p programs

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

anything by gina arnold

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Amused at all the Ambient Century hate -- that was the first book I thought of when I read the thread title, too. Most recently, I disliked Elevator Music by Joseph Lanza, which I then discovered Michael Daddino had written about for FT and come to similar conclusions.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I seriously doubt any of these books could be worse than Danny Sugerman's Appetite for Destruction. Out of its 200+ pages, about 150 are devoted to Axl's artistic predecessors: Poe, Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Morrison. It's got laudatory quotes from Timothy Leary (!) and Oliver Stone on the back cover. It's like the "Glen or Glenda?" of rock bios.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Any book on how to write a successful pop song

except for bill drummond/jimmy cauty's the manual or whatever it's called.....

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

nine years pass...

man, had i read this thread before i'd have known not to buy the ambient century. pretty cool cover, introduction by brian eno, how could that not be worth £3? well. he could at least have footnoted the good quotes ffs.

(500) Days of Sodom (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 5 August 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

tho i'm entertaining myself by sharing terrible passages with people, so maybe it's worth it after all. let's see what i get when i open at random. "the english conductor simon rattle once said that he had no interest in minimalism until he heard the music of john adams. and it is certainly worhth hearing." okay.

(500) Days of Sodom (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 5 August 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)

nine years pass...

"Ken Brooks is officially the worst writer in the history of the English language"

You haven't read anything by Ben Cruikshank, I take it?

Both posters were correct. Recent internet research indicates that they are the same person!

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 10 March 2022 03:15 (three years ago)

the 33 1/3 Kid A book

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 March 2022 04:15 (three years ago)


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